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Postby Zjaum » Mon May 14, 2018 12:16 pm

All right... holy cow, you're already on the second page of IC posts, and I still have to do my intro post... Sheesh. I'll get up the announcement.

I'm hesitant to run as a libertarian candidate, since it wouldn't have much of a realistic precedent for president. I'll just announce my candidacy, then maybe we could discuss my character becoming a Republican nominee? I dunno.
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I use my NationStates stats, because a population of billions/trillions and an economy of hundreds of trillions is totally viable, trust me.
But seriously, aside from the population and GDP, just assume that my NS stats are roughly accurate.

Support: Paleo-imperialism, conservatism, libertarianism, Christianity.
Against: Stupid people, resistance to industrial progress, alt-right, any form of government at or beyond socialism.

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Ascysia
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Postby Ascysia » Mon May 14, 2018 3:03 pm

Zjaum wrote:All right... holy cow, you're already on the second page of IC posts, and I still have to do my intro post... Sheesh. I'll get up the announcement.

I'm hesitant to run as a libertarian candidate, since it wouldn't have much of a realistic precedent for president. I'll just announce my candidacy, then maybe we could discuss my character becoming a Republican nominee? I dunno.

Having another Republican would be good.
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Cainesland
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Postby Cainesland » Mon May 14, 2018 3:04 pm

Ascysia wrote:
Zjaum wrote:All right... holy cow, you're already on the second page of IC posts, and I still have to do my intro post... Sheesh. I'll get up the announcement.

I'm hesitant to run as a libertarian candidate, since it wouldn't have much of a realistic precedent for president. I'll just announce my candidacy, then maybe we could discuss my character becoming a Republican nominee? I dunno.

Having another Republican would be good.


Yes. With you that would make 4 candidates in the republican field.

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Vienna Eliot
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon May 14, 2018 3:23 pm

New Cobastheia wrote:Theodore “Theo” Courtney Guess

Interesting change to California — accepted. I assume the Premier is elected by the parliament, and not directly by the populace?

Additionally, this constitutional change would of course come with its fair share of dissenters. Consequently, it will have been in court for the past couple of years — first in California state courts, which eventually refused to hear the case, then working its way up through the federal courts on U.S. Constitutional grounds (Article IV and 14th Amendment), and to the Supreme Court, which in 2050 remanded it back to Federal District Court for concerns of justiciability. Now, Circuit Court deliberations have concluded recently and an opinion will be issued soon, after which it may again go to the Supreme Court.

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Postby Zjaum » Mon May 14, 2018 4:23 pm

All right, my character will still be a card-carrying Libertarian, but he's going to move into the Republican Party as a candidate for nomination.
I use my NationStates stats, because a population of billions/trillions and an economy of hundreds of trillions is totally viable, trust me.
But seriously, aside from the population and GDP, just assume that my NS stats are roughly accurate.

Support: Paleo-imperialism, conservatism, libertarianism, Christianity.
Against: Stupid people, resistance to industrial progress, alt-right, any form of government at or beyond socialism.

I hail from The League of Conservative Nations. Hearts unthawed, hearts unshaken!

Takaka Tar' Turayi,
The stars will be ours someday.

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Vienna Eliot
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon May 14, 2018 5:09 pm

So it's a simple fact of roleplaying that we can't possibly write about everything our characters do every single day. To work with that, and to help as well with the formulas (mostly the qualitative ones) used to develop polls and results, everyone is welcome to post schedules of their candidates' week or day (depending on how you're approaching time in the RP — the day of the Iowa Caucus you might give a single daily schedule, whereas one day you might post a weekly schedule because everything is relative to a more important day).

I also invite you to post a range of multimedia. The roleplaying is great, I love it so far, but there are also lots of untapped methods of exposition. Schedules, as mentioned, as well as campaign budgets, correspondence with companies providing services to your campaign, letters and flyers sent to voters, conversations held over phone banks and by canvassers — these are all great ways to deliver information that might not be conveyed as well through other methods.

Also, I am keeping money in mind. If your candidate is unlikely to be raising money, expect their numbers to slip. Sometimes it takes a balance between big crowds and very, very small crowds to run a campaign. Last thing, sort of on that note, you'll notice the Iowa GOP's Lincoln Dinner and the Iowa Democrats' Harkin Dinner are both occurring ICly on the 20th. This can be an opportunity both to talk with NPC donors (feel free to unilaterally RP those conversations) and to meet the other candidates from your party.

That's all. FiveThirtyEight analysis coming in the IC later tonight.
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Account Name: Beta Test
Occupation: Retired General of the United States Army
Political Ideology: Conservatism

Family: *ADD SPOUSE/CHILDREN HERE*
Background: Douglas Norman Andrews, more commonly known as Doug Andrews, was born on the 11th of February 1991 in Charlotte, North Carolina but raised in Ohio. His middle name was taken from a particular General of prominence at the time, and this in part inspired his future decision to join the US military, along with his family's own military history.

After attending the University of Virginia, Andrews enlisted in the United States Army, becoming an officer with the rank of second lieutenant in 2013. He served as a platoon commander in numerous locations and conflicts overseas, including in the Iranian War and the American intervention in Central Africa. After serving in these conflict zones and briefly at the US facility in South Korea, Andrews was promoted to the rank of Major in 2030 and transferred to a staff position in the Pentagon, which drew him away from the field but allowed him to make closer contacts in the DC establishment. By 2033 then Lieutenant Colonel Andrews was appointed to the staff of the National Security Council, where he advised President Comey and his defence team on the national security issues of the day. Comey's approach was within the mainstream of American foreign policy, but Andrews increasingly felt that the United States needed to be more prepared to use the full resources at its disposal to assert itself in the world, including modern forms of technology. Living in the United States allowed Andrews to further develop his political views, going from a generic Republican supporter to a staunch conservative during this period.

By the time he left the White House in 2038, he had received another promotion and was now of the rank of Colonel. Colonel Andrews served in yet another two American tours of Afghanistan, and during this period was promoted to the rank of Brigadier, and eventually Brigadier General. After serving back home in the United States briefly as a Major General, Andrews abruptly resigned in 2046 and left the military after 33 years.

After this period he took up an advisory post with a private military company, even touring with it in its deployments, some in conjunction with United States forces and others not. Andrews also began appearing as a pundit on cable television and a speaker at conservative rallies, decrying the administration of President Fischer. During his many years in the Armed Forces, Andrews had built up a large array of friends in many places, and some urged him to consider a tilt at politics.

In 2051, he announced his candidacy for President of the United States.
Faith: Episcopalian

Strengths: Charismatic, powerful orator, instinctual, well respected for his military service, well connected, popular with grassroots
Weaknesses: Seen to be a conservative firebrand, not experienced enough in domestic affairs, potentially short tempered and 'unpresidential'

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    Vienna Eliot
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    Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon May 14, 2018 11:51 pm

    Beta Test wrote:Douglas Norman Lafayette Andrews

    Accepted, welcome.

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    New Cobastheia
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    Postby New Cobastheia » Tue May 15, 2018 6:26 am

    Vienna Eliot wrote:
    New Cobastheia wrote:Theodore “Theo” Courtney Guess

    Interesting change to California — accepted. I assume the Premier is elected by the parliament, and not directly by the populace?

    Additionally, this constitutional change would, of course, come with its fair share of dissenters. Consequently, it will have been in court for the past couple of years — first in California state courts, which eventually refused to hear the case, then working its way up through the federal courts on U.S. Constitutional grounds (Article IV and 14th Amendment), and to the Supreme Court, which in 2050 remanded it back to Federal District Court for concerns of justiciability. Now, Circuit Court deliberations have concluded recently and an opinion will be issued soon, after which it may again go to the Supreme Court.


    All that court stuff is good, I don't understand the US Court system all that much so I'm glad you could write in what would happen with it.

    For how the Premier is elected, it's a bit complicated. Due to the negotiations between the Senate and the Convention, a Semi-Parliamentary System was formed. So primaries do their thing, then people vote in a General Election, they vote for their Members of Parliament with STV and they vote for Premier with IVF. Becuase STV is proportional, in theory, it should all work out.

    If it doesn't work out, the Constitution has two fixes, a Coalition Government or a Confidence and Supply deal could be met. If neither is possible, then the party of the Premier-Elect is given extra underhang seats, the people who came closest to winning a normal seat would fill the underhang seats. Then Parliament "elects" the Premier into office, they're required by the Constitution to vote for the person the people gave a majority to in the IVF election.

    For the two general elections that have happened so far, it as worked out were the party of the Premier elected gets a Majority in Parliament.
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    Ascysia
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    Postby Ascysia » Tue May 15, 2018 9:20 am

    Who's the orange in the Iowa democrat map for?
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    Cainesland
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    Postby Cainesland » Tue May 15, 2018 9:36 am

    Vienna Eliot wrote:So it's a simple fact of roleplaying that we can't possibly write about everything our characters do every single day. To work with that, and to help as well with the formulas (mostly the qualitative ones) used to develop polls and results, everyone is welcome to post schedules of their candidates' week or day (depending on how you're approaching time in the RP — the day of the Iowa Caucus you might give a single daily schedule, whereas one day you might post a weekly schedule because everything is relative to a more important day).

    I also invite you to post a range of multimedia. The roleplaying is great, I love it so far, but there are also lots of untapped methods of exposition. Schedules, as mentioned, as well as campaign budgets, correspondence with companies providing services to your campaign, letters and flyers sent to voters, conversations held over phone banks and by canvassers — these are all great ways to deliver information that might not be conveyed as well through other methods.

    Also, I am keeping money in mind. If your candidate is unlikely to be raising money, expect their numbers to slip. Sometimes it takes a balance between big crowds and very, very small crowds to run a campaign. Last thing, sort of on that note, you'll notice the Iowa GOP's Lincoln Dinner and the Iowa Democrats' Harkin Dinner are both occurring ICly on the 20th. This can be an opportunity both to talk with NPC donors (feel free to unilaterally RP those conversations) and to meet the other candidates from your party.

    That's all. FiveThirtyEight analysis coming in the IC later tonight.


    I might not be able to post much today as I have some things to do. I will try and post some stuff about fundraising and advertising like you asked when I can. It will probably be retroactive as it seems like Jan 30 is not the earliest posting time.

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    Postby Ascysia » Tue May 15, 2018 10:23 am

    If you quote this please cut the quote, it's quite long.

    I'm going to take down a list of NPCs and events people have made up, if that's okay. TG or reply with any additions you want. This is excluding official characters on the roster.
    Syria - Assad Victory
    Intervention in Central Africa - ???
    Iranian War - ???
    War in Central America - ???
    Ending Production of Penny and Nickel - Theodore Courtney Guess (D-CA)
    Business Retain Quote of Human Employees - Gareth Wright (R-MN)

    List of NPCs

    Elizabeth Rice (D) - Mayor of Washington (2047-Present)
    Alice Mallot (I) - Tlingit - President of the NCAI (2049-Present)
    Celeste Sani (D) - Navajo - Executive Director of the NCAI (2045-President)
    Caleb Yang (R) - Former Governor of California (2039-2043)
    Miles Gardner (D) - Mayor of Chicago
    Mark Jerome (R) - State Senator (???-???)
    Kiara Correa (D) - Mayor of Des Moines (2045-???)
    Robert Hutchinson (R) - Blackfoot - 1st Vice President of the NCAI (2049-Present)
    Luis Camara (D) - Congressman for Nevada
    Craig Navarro (D) - Ex-Governor (2034-2042)
    Adam Cooke (Ind.) - Campaign Manager for Faulkner (2051-???)
    Fred Pearson (D) - State Senator (2048-???)
    Morgan Carter (Ind./D) - Mayor of Portland (2048-???)
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    Postby The Portland Territory » Tue May 15, 2018 10:53 am

    Oh why not? I'll write an app in a bit perhaps
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    16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

    Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
    Mixed: Fascism, Anarcho Capitalism, Donald Trump
    Against: Democracy/ Democratic Republicanism, Egalitarianism, Direct Taxation, Cultural Marxism, Redistribution of Wealth

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    Postby Vienna Eliot » Tue May 15, 2018 11:06 am

    Ascysia wrote:If you quote this please cut the quote, it's quite long.

    I'm going to take down a list of NPCs and events people have made up, if that's okay. TG or reply with any additions you want. This is excluding official characters on the roster.

    Very awesome, I'll link to this in the OP.

    Ascysia wrote:Who's the orange in the Iowa democrat map for?

    I'm colorblind, my apologies! It's possible I accidentally left some Republican color in the Democratic map. It should be Faulkner, though, if I'm guessing where it is, since the shades of blue are for Brae and Sobel.
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    Postby The Portland Territory » Tue May 15, 2018 11:10 am

    Hmmmmmm

    Somebody, heads or tails?
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    16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

    Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
    Mixed: Fascism, Anarcho Capitalism, Donald Trump
    Against: Democracy/ Democratic Republicanism, Egalitarianism, Direct Taxation, Cultural Marxism, Redistribution of Wealth

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    Postby Firaxin » Tue May 15, 2018 11:17 am

    I have an idea for a law that passed between 2018-2052. The law requires that some land will be purchased and set aside for the construction of a new public building that will act as a home for senators, representatives, and justices, while they are in D.C.

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    Vienna Eliot
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    Postby Vienna Eliot » Tue May 15, 2018 11:19 am

    The Portland Territory wrote:Hmmmmmm

    Somebody, heads or tails?

    Heads, probably.
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    Postby Ascysia » Tue May 15, 2018 11:22 am

    Vienna Eliot wrote:I'm colorblind, my apologies! It's possible I accidentally left some Republican color in the Democratic map. It should be Faulkner, though, if I'm guessing where it is, since the shades of blue are for Brae and Sobel.

    No bother, that was an answer I was hoping I would receive ;)
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    Postby Ascysia » Tue May 15, 2018 11:43 am

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    Cainesland
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    Postby Cainesland » Tue May 15, 2018 11:51 am

    What 2 committees do you guys think your characters (If senators) think you would be on?
    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-115s ... 02-pt2.pdf
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    Postby Jovuistan » Tue May 15, 2018 11:52 am

    Is this still open?
    I'm stealing three seconds of your life!
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    Somewhat Pro: Some limited gun control, Abortion, UBI, Globalization, Biden
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    Postby Cainesland » Tue May 15, 2018 11:55 am

    Jovuistan wrote:Is this still open?


    I am not the op, but I think so.

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    Postby New Cobastheia » Tue May 15, 2018 12:08 pm


    How are we gonna update it cause that link just takes you back to only Faulkner, even after you add in more candidates
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    Postby Ascysia » Tue May 15, 2018 12:33 pm

    New Cobastheia wrote:

    How are we gonna update it cause that link just takes you back to only Faulkner, even after you add in more candidates

    If you add more it updates the link.
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    New Cobastheia
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    Postby New Cobastheia » Tue May 15, 2018 1:14 pm

    Ascysia wrote:
    New Cobastheia wrote:How are we gonna update it cause that link just takes you back to only Faulkner, even after you add in more candidates

    If you add more it updates the link.

    Ok, so the link is now this
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