by The Parkus Empire » Mon May 07, 2018 1:30 pm
by New Bradenia » Mon May 07, 2018 1:32 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:A word which is used quite frequently, but with different definitions by different users. Some people will use it very narrowly, others will say it includes leaders such as Franco and Dollfuss, and yet others will expand it so much to include the Soviet Union (which I frankly find ridiculous, as the Soviet Union was highly meritocratic and had an unprecedented degree of racial and gender equality, especially for the 1920's).
So what are the criteria of fascism? Feel free to post yours, but here are mine.
1. Totalitarian (not simply authoritarian).
2. Extremely socially conservative, with the caveat that the bond to the state is held to precede all the familial, communal and religious bonds, rather than the reverse.
3. Economically conservative (as opposed to liberal, or socialist).
4. Militaristic
by Chestaan » Mon May 07, 2018 1:34 pm
by Irou » Mon May 07, 2018 1:37 pm
Chestaan wrote:Highly nationalistic authoritarian dictatorships. I think the emphasis on nationalism, and how the wellbeing of the individual must be sacrificed for the good of the nation is key, which is probably why they usually oppose Marxism so strongly.
by Tobleste » Mon May 07, 2018 1:38 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon May 07, 2018 1:39 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:A word which is used quite frequently, but with different definitions by different users. Some people will use it very narrowly, others will say it includes leaders such as Franco and Dollfuss, and yet others will expand it so much to include the Soviet Union (which I frankly find ridiculous, as the Soviet Union was highly meritocratic and had an unprecedented degree of racial and gender equality, especially for the 1920's).
So what are the criteria of fascism? Feel free to post yours, but here are mine.
1. Totalitarian (not simply authoritarian).
2. Extremely socially conservative, with the caveat that the bond to the state is held to precede all the familial, communal and religious bonds, rather than the reverse.
3. Economically conservative (as opposed to liberal, or socialist).
4. Militaristic
by DPR of Arstotzka » Mon May 07, 2018 1:40 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:A word which is used quite frequently, but with different definitions by different users. Some people will use it very narrowly, others will say it includes leaders such as Franco and Dollfuss, and yet others will expand it so much to include the Soviet Union (which I frankly find ridiculous, as the Soviet Union was highly meritocratic and had an unprecedented degree of racial and gender equality, especially for the 1920's).
So what are the criteria of fascism? Feel free to post yours, but here are mine.
1. Totalitarian (not simply authoritarian).
2. Extremely socially conservative, with the caveat that the bond to the state is held to precede all the familial, communal and religious bonds, rather than the reverse.
3. Economically conservative (as opposed to liberal, or socialist).
4. Militaristic
by Heimatia » Mon May 07, 2018 1:43 pm
Irou wrote:Chestaan wrote:Highly nationalistic authoritarian dictatorships. I think the emphasis on nationalism, and how the wellbeing of the individual must be sacrificed for the good of the nation is key, which is probably why they usually oppose Marxism so strongly.
But what is a nation in fascist's eyes?
N.G.N.S.
"Protected and resplendent, the Dominion forever."
by Zurkerx » Mon May 07, 2018 1:44 pm
by The Black Party » Mon May 07, 2018 1:44 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Mon May 07, 2018 1:45 pm
DPR of Arstotzka wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:A word which is used quite frequently, but with different definitions by different users. Some people will use it very narrowly, others will say it includes leaders such as Franco and Dollfuss, and yet others will expand it so much to include the Soviet Union (which I frankly find ridiculous, as the Soviet Union was highly meritocratic and had an unprecedented degree of racial and gender equality, especially for the 1920's).
So what are the criteria of fascism? Feel free to post yours, but here are mine.
1. Totalitarian (not simply authoritarian).
2. Extremely socially conservative, with the caveat that the bond to the state is held to precede all the familial, communal and religious bonds, rather than the reverse.
3. Economically conservative (as opposed to liberal, or socialist).
4. Militaristic
My personal criteria of fascism are:
1. Authoritarian/Totalitarian
2. Socially Conservative
3. Class-Based Society
4. Militaristic
5. Nationalist or promoting a certain group of people (Hitler was nationalist and promoted the Aryan race, while Franco was nationalist and promoted Catholicism)
by Northeast American Federation » Mon May 07, 2018 1:52 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Mon May 07, 2018 1:57 pm
by Reikoku » Mon May 07, 2018 2:26 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:2. Extremely socially conservative, with the caveat that the bond to the state is held to precede all the familial, communal and religious bonds, rather than the reverse.
by Sicaris » Mon May 07, 2018 2:28 pm
by Albrenia » Mon May 07, 2018 2:30 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:A word which is used quite frequently, but with different definitions by different users. Some people will use it very narrowly, others will say it includes leaders such as Franco and Dollfuss, and yet others will expand it so much to include the Soviet Union (which I frankly find ridiculous, as the Soviet Union was highly meritocratic and had an unprecedented degree of racial and gender equality, especially for the 1920's).
So what are the criteria of fascism? Feel free to post yours, but here are mine.
1. Totalitarian (not simply authoritarian).
2. Extremely socially conservative, with the caveat that the bond to the state is held to precede all the familial, communal and religious bonds, rather than the reverse.
3. Economically conservative (as opposed to liberal, or socialist).
4. Militaristic
by The South Falls » Mon May 07, 2018 2:31 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Mon May 07, 2018 2:36 pm
Reikoku wrote:The best description I know of would be a totalitarian, militaristic, and patriarchal ideology which is centered around national rebirth while being strongly for vitalism and idealism in the face of Marxist materialism and liberal positivism. Corporatist and other organic economic bodies are supported over laissez-faire capitalism or collectivist communism. The best examples of this would be the Falange and Italian Fascist Party which fulfilled the entire criterion, while others such as Nazi Germany had numerous elements, but may not have completed them all.The Parkus Empire wrote:2. Extremely socially conservative, with the caveat that the bond to the state is held to precede all the familial, communal and religious bonds, rather than the reverse.
Fascism is about as conservative as the Gorean subculture. It wants more children for the state, and is not afraid to violate institutions such as marriage in order to achieve this (Mussolini rewarded unwed couples and Himmler encouraged trysts between Waffen SS officers and native women in Nordic countries).
by The South Falls » Mon May 07, 2018 2:40 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Reikoku wrote:The best description I know of would be a totalitarian, militaristic, and patriarchal ideology which is centered around national rebirth while being strongly for vitalism and idealism in the face of Marxist materialism and liberal positivism. Corporatist and other organic economic bodies are supported over laissez-faire capitalism or collectivist communism. The best examples of this would be the Falange and Italian Fascist Party which fulfilled the entire criterion, while others such as Nazi Germany had numerous elements, but may not have completed them all.
Fascism is about as conservative as the Gorean subculture. It wants more children for the state, and is not afraid to violate institutions such as marriage in order to achieve this (Mussolini rewarded unwed couples and Himmler encouraged trysts between Waffen SS officers and native women in Nordic countries).
These are at most exceptions (with the first one an alternative to abortion and contraception) rather than defining policy. Unless the second was a winking way to encourage raping subjugated populations.
by Kubumba Tribe » Mon May 07, 2018 2:43 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Cekoviu » Mon May 07, 2018 2:46 pm
by Aureumterra » Mon May 07, 2018 2:46 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Mon May 07, 2018 2:46 pm
Kubumba Tribe wrote:My definition of fascism:
Extreme nationalism to the point of racism. Looking at others' responses, I guess dictatorship fits in too.
by Kubumba Tribe » Mon May 07, 2018 2:49 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:For example, would you say Federalist Paper No. 2 is a fascist work?
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Cekoviu » Mon May 07, 2018 2:50 pm
Aureumterra wrote:I feel Fascism and Nazism are two different things. For me, true Fascism is Mussolini’s style
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