Trump MAGAThread XII: A Tarriff-ic Thread!

[Ifreann]

Saw that, but given his previous EO on the topic was decried for also undermining the Johnson Amendment and afaik nothing was ever declared illegal about that one. It really just amounts to bone throwing for the evangelical community.

Is this the point we're at? The sitting US president needs to commit a crime to be criticised for something?

Well yeah, it's not like he's a black Democrat.

[Bombadil]

The Executive Order creates the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative within the Executive Office of the President.

The Initiative will be led by the newly created position of Advisor to the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative (Initiative) and be supported by experts and various community and faith leaders from outside of the Federal Government.

All executive departments and agencies that do not have Centers for Faith and Opportunity Initiatives will designate a liaison to the Initiative.

Am I reading that right, effectively all departments need to report to the Faith and Opportunity Initiative?

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition..

[Vassenor]

The Executive Order creates the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative within the Executive Office of the President.

The Initiative will be led by the newly created position of Advisor to the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative (Initiative) and be supported by experts and various community and faith leaders from outside of the Federal Government.

All executive departments and agencies that do not have Centers for Faith and Opportunity Initiatives will designate a liaison to the Initiative.

Am I reading that right, effectively all departments need to report to the Faith and Opportunity Initiative?

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition..

Nobody expe-explodes-

[West Leas Oros]

So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office

Religious “freedom”. This is bull.

[Geneviev]

According to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:


Translated: Government does not control religion and religion does not control government.

But every time I've brought that up I always get told that just means the government cannot stop you forming a religious movement. I am not sure where that idea comes from.

"Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means religion doesn't control government. "Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means government doesn't control religion.

[Arlenton]

Y'all are all going to gitmo for your sins.

[Geneviev]

Saw that, but given his previous EO on the topic was decried for also undermining the Johnson Amendment and afaik nothing was ever declared illegal about that one. It really just amounts to bone throwing for the evangelical community.

According to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:


Translated: Government does not control religion and religion does not control government.

That's... not exactly what it means.

What then?

"Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" = religion doesn't control government
"Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" = government doesn't control religion

[The Black Forrest]

Y'all are all going to gitmo for your sins.

Breakfast at 9 and I like a massage after 11.

[Ifreann]

The Executive Order creates the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative within the Executive Office of the President.

The Initiative will be led by the newly created position of Advisor to the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative (Initiative) and be supported by experts and various community and faith leaders from outside of the Federal Government.

All executive departments and agencies that do not have Centers for Faith and Opportunity Initiatives will designate a liaison to the Initiative.

Am I reading that right, effectively all departments need to report to the Faith and Opportunity Initiative?

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition..

The Donald's just creating jobs.

Government jobs.

That won't do anything.

...

#MAGA

[Vassenor]

The Executive Order creates the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative within the Executive Office of the President.

The Initiative will be led by the newly created position of Advisor to the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative (Initiative) and be supported by experts and various community and faith leaders from outside of the Federal Government.

All executive departments and agencies that do not have Centers for Faith and Opportunity Initiatives will designate a liaison to the Initiative.

Am I reading that right, effectively all departments need to report to the Faith and Opportunity Initiative?

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition..

The Donald's just creating jobs.

Government jobs.

That won't do anything.

...

#MAGA

The Party of Small Government, ladies and gentlemen.

[Washington Resistance Army]

But every time I've brought that up I always get told that just means the government cannot stop you forming a religious movement. I am not sure where that idea comes from.

"Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means religion doesn't control government. "Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means government doesn't control religion.

That is not what that means. It means that Congress cannot establish an official state religion or prefer one over another, which this EO does not violate.

[Ifreann]

Y'all are all going to gitmo for your sins.

Come at me, Trump, Irish courts won't extradite people to the US on the grounds of your prisons being a violation of human rights.

[Geneviev]

"Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means religion doesn't control government. "Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means government doesn't control religion.

That is not what that means. It means that Congress cannot establish an official state religion or prefer one over another, which this EO does not violate.

This seems to be establishing a state religion. Or at least putting religion in a ridiculous position of power.

[Petrasylvania]

The Donald's just creating jobs.

Government jobs.

That won't do anything.

...

#MAGA

The Party of Small Government, ladies and gentlemen.

But it needs to be big enough to wedge inside vaginas.

[Vassenor]

"Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means religion doesn't control government. "Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means government doesn't control religion.

That is not what that means. It means that Congress cannot establish an official state religion or prefer one over another, which this EO does not violate.

So how does it say that?

[Albrenia]

The Donald's just creating jobs.

Government jobs.

That won't do anything.

...

#MAGA

The Party of Small Government, ladies and gentlemen.

I guess he's trying to keep the religious folks in check, so they'll keep allowing him to be a greedy sleazebag and get their 'morality' votes.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That is not what that means. It means that Congress cannot establish an official state religion or prefer one over another, which this EO does not violate.

So how does it say that?

How does what say what? The Establishment Clause or the EO?

[Vassenor]

But yeah, I don't see this push lasting past Muslim groups using it to enforce any form of Shariah in their respective communities.

[Petrasylvania]

That is not what that means. It means that Congress cannot establish an official state religion or prefer one over another, which this EO does not violate.

This seems to be establishing a state religion. Or at least putting religion in a ridiculous position of power.

It'll favor Evangelical Christianity primarily I guarantee. The moment a mosque or few try to get in on the action anything from outrage to shutting down the whole program happens.

[Geneviev]

This seems to be establishing a state religion. Or at least putting religion in a ridiculous position of power.

It'll favor Evangelical Christianity primarily I guarantee. The moment a mosque or few try to get in on the action anything from outrage to shutting down the whole program happens.

Yes, of course. Conservative Christians will be overjoyed, as they've got government power, and this will just be state religion eventually. Religion has no place in government when government obviously favours one religion over others and openly calls a whole other religion "terrorists."

[Washington Resistance Army]

That is not what that means. It means that Congress cannot establish an official state religion or prefer one over another, which this EO does not violate.

This seems to be establishing a state religion. Or at least putting religion in a ridiculous position of power.

It quite plainly does not establish a state religion, nor does it seem to only apply to specific faiths as far as I can tell. While yes it is bone throwing for evangelical Christians nothing about it is illegal, if you feel otherwise hit up the ACLU and try to bring a case.

[Vassenor]

So how does it say that?

How does what say what? The Establishment Clause or the EO?

Where does the First Amendment only prevent the formation of a state religion?

Because "respecting the establishment of a religion" pretty clearly means doing what a religion says.

[The Black Forrest]

This seems to be establishing a state religion. Or at least putting religion in a ridiculous position of power.

It quite plainly does not establish a state religion, nor does it seem to only apply to specific faiths as far as I can tell. While yes it is bone throwing for evangelical Christians nothing about it is illegal, if you feel otherwise hit up the ACLU and try to bring a case.

Exactly. The ACLU would be all over it if it was a violation.

[Geneviev]

This seems to be establishing a state religion. Or at least putting religion in a ridiculous position of power.

It quite plainly does not establish a state religion, nor does it seem to only apply to specific faiths as far as I can tell. While yes it is bone throwing for evangelical Christians nothing about it is illegal, if you feel otherwise hit up the ACLU and try to bring a case.

It does not establish a state religion, but it will almost certainly favour one religion over others eventually.

[Valgora]

It'll favor Evangelical Christianity primarily I guarantee. The moment a mosque or few try to get in on the action anything from outrage to shutting down the whole program happens.

Yes, of course. Conservative Christians will be overjoyed, as they've got government power, and this will just be state religion eventually. Religion has no place in government when government obviously favours one religion over others and openly calls a whole other religion "terrorists."

It won't lead to a state religion eventually.
That would require a constitutional amendment - one that is highly unlikely to pass.