The General Car Thread - The Facelift.

[Auzkhia]

To start off, what do you think about Tesla?

Between crap build quality and questionable value for money, I find a lot of the design choices of the Model 3 to be extremely questionable. Their pursuit of simplicity has made the car more difficult and more dangerous to operate.

Personally, I'd rather have a Nissan Leaf or wait for BMW and VW to drop their new electrics. Worst comes to worst, I'll be waiting a couple of years regardless of what I do.

Yeah, I'd say Tesla is a tech company that happens to make cars, rather a car company.

[NeoOasis]

Between crap build quality and questionable value for money, I find a lot of the design choices of the Model 3 to be extremely questionable. Their pursuit of simplicity has made the car more difficult and more dangerous to operate.

Personally, I'd rather have a Nissan Leaf or wait for BMW and VW to drop their new electrics. Worst comes to worst, I'll be waiting a couple of years regardless of what I do.

Yeah, I'd say Tesla is a tech company that happens to make cars, rather a car company.

That excuse won't fly with investors. It's not flying with me to be honest. I'd expect a tech company to understand that build quality and timely release of announced products is important. Instead we have Tesla doing some truly shoddy assembly, and falling behind targets and release dates by a huge margin.

At least Musk finally read that memo, and we've been seeing a concerted effort both to increase quality and up the output of the Model 3... Granted if any quality gains will be retained with the quantity gain remains to be seen.

[Auzkhia]

Yeah, I'd say Tesla is a tech company that happens to make cars, rather a car company.

That excuse won't fly with investors. It's not flying with me to be honest. I'd expect a tech company to understand that build quality and timely release of announced products is important. Instead we have Tesla doing some truly shoddy assembly, and falling behind targets and release dates by a huge margin.

At least Musk finally read that memo, and we've been seeing a concerted effort both to increase quality and up the output of the Model 3... Granted if any quality gains will be retained with the quantity gain remains to be seen.

That's not an excuse, I don't think they will surpass any of the established US based automakers, though, their brand is just hyped up to near cult like devotion.

[Aboveland]

Between crap build quality and questionable value for money, I find a lot of the design choices of the Model 3 to be extremely questionable. Their pursuit of simplicity has made the car more difficult and more dangerous to operate.

Personally, I'd rather have a Nissan Leaf or wait for BMW and VW to drop their new electrics. Worst comes to worst, I'll be waiting a couple of years regardless of what I do.

Yeah, I'd say Tesla is a tech company that happens to make cars, rather a car company.

The locking of the previous thread brought me here

I can't really give much of an opinion on how good or bad Tesla is, I'm just a little convinced the media is kinda witch hunting the company. Sites like Jalopnik, which I really do enjoy, just can't have enough of bashing Telsa. Their points are given as facts when, in reality, there's a bias sticking it's pointy end in there.

[Auzkhia]

Yeah, I'd say Tesla is a tech company that happens to make cars, rather a car company.

The locking of the previous thread brought me here

I can't really give much of an opinion on how good or bad Tesla is, I'm just a little convinced the media is kinda witch hunting the company. Sites like Jalopnik, which I really do enjoy, just can't have enough of bashing Telsa. Their points are given as facts when, in reality, there's a bias sticking it's pointy end in there.

Criticism isn't necessarily bashing, but to the fanboys, it is.

[Costa Fierro]

Between crap build quality and questionable value for money, I find a lot of the design choices of the Model 3 to be extremely questionable. Their pursuit of simplicity has made the car more difficult and more dangerous to operate.

Personally, I'd rather have a Nissan Leaf or wait for BMW and VW to drop their new electrics. Worst comes to worst, I'll be waiting a couple of years regardless of what I do.

Yeah, I'd say Tesla is a tech company that happens to make cars, rather a car company.

Not even that. Tech companies don't leverage the fuck out of themselves with other businesses run by the same CEO. Tech companies don't sell bonds and stock offers to stave off bankruptcy. Tech companies don't suck up federal and state subsidies and still haven't made a profit on any of their products.

[Petrolheadia]

Yeah, I'd say Tesla is a tech company that happens to make cars, rather a car company.

Not even that. Tech companies don't leverage the fuck out of themselves with other businesses run by the same CEO. Tech companies don't sell bonds and stock offers to stave off bankruptcy. Tech companies don't suck up federal and state subsidies and still haven't made a profit on any of their products.

Tech companied don't sue every reviewer who fails to praise them.

[Costa Fierro]

Not even that. Tech companies don't leverage the fuck out of themselves with other businesses run by the same CEO. Tech companies don't sell bonds and stock offers to stave off bankruptcy. Tech companies don't suck up federal and state subsidies and still haven't made a profit on any of their products.

Tech companied don't sue every reviewer who fails to praise them.

And tech companies also don't cite "user error" for design faults.

[Petrolheadia]

Tech companied don't sue every reviewer who fails to praise them.

And tech companies also don't cite "user error" for design faults.

Unless the users are holding it wrong.

[Petrolheadia]

Breaking news - man killed by a minivan rear seat.

[Freezic Vast]

Breaking news - man killed by a minivan rear seat.

I always knew those vans could kill, it's why I don't particularly like them at all.

[Auzkhia]

Yeah, I'd say Tesla is a tech company that happens to make cars, rather a car company.

Not even that. Tech companies don't leverage the fuck out of themselves with other businesses run by the same CEO. Tech companies don't sell bonds and stock offers to stave off bankruptcy. Tech companies don't suck up federal and state subsidies and still haven't made a profit on any of their products.

That's true too, Clarkson had a team of layers when he reviewed the Model X in TGT.

Though I think people are kinda missing the point of that statement, let me rephrase it. I don't think Tesla will ever displace any of the big 3 American automakers, not even Chrysler, they struggle a lot, but they just seem to survive somehow, nowadays, it's suburban country folk buying Dodge Rams and Jeeps keeping them afloat, the Challenger seems to be successful as its owners rate it highly, and Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep dealers give out subprime loans, though that's not them only, Nissan and Kia do that too.

[Petrolheadia]

Not even that. Tech companies don't leverage the fuck out of themselves with other businesses run by the same CEO. Tech companies don't sell bonds and stock offers to stave off bankruptcy. Tech companies don't suck up federal and state subsidies and still haven't made a profit on any of their products.

That's true too, Clarkson had a team of layers when he reviewed the Model X in TGT.

From what I've heard, Musk has a childish approach to criticism - if he does something, he is always the best.

I have a bit of that sometimes, but I'm not running a company that makes tens of thousands of cars.

[Auzkhia]

That's true too, Clarkson had a team of layers when he reviewed the Model X in TGT.

From what I've heard, Musk has a childish approach to criticism - if he does something, he is always the best.

I have a bit of that sometimes, but I'm not running a company that makes tens of thousands of cars.

It doesn't help that there are internet white knights singing his praises, as if he is Jesus 2.0. Of course Tesla, isn't alone, take the Nissan GT-R for example. A lot of car enthusiasts go through the fanatical phase where you have 15 year old fanboys insisting that their car is best car, as life is a game of top trumps.

Silicon Valley Billionaires won't save the world. They say so, because saving the world is the best marketing tactic, especially with this "conscious consumerism" trend.

[Petrolheadia]

From what I've heard, Musk has a childish approach to criticism - if he does something, he is always the best.

I have a bit of that sometimes, but I'm not running a company that makes tens of thousands of cars.

It doesn't help that there are internet white knights singing his praises, as if he is Jesus 2.0. Of course Tesla, isn't alone, take the Nissan GT-R for example. A lot of car enthusiasts go through the fanatical phase where you have 15 year old fanboys insisting that their car is best car, as life is a game of top trumps.

Silicon Valley Billionaires won't save the world. They say so, because saving the world is the best marketing tactic, especially with this "conscious consumerism" trend.

To be fair, "saving the world" isma better investment pitch than "making cars".

[Soviet Spud Land]

Apparently, Jeep is going stop production of the Wrangler JK this week. Plus, Audi had some recalls for coolant pump problems

[Auzkhia]

Apparently, Jeep is going stop production of the Wrangler JK this week. Plus, Audi had some recalls for coolant pump problems

There's a new Jeep Wrangler, haven't you heard?

Tragic, though Audis can be a bit fussy sometimes.

[Petrolheadia]

Apparently, Jeep is going stop production of the Wrangler JK this week. Plus, Audi had some recalls for coolant pump problems

To be fair, that would only be real news if they stopped making the Wrangler altogether.

[The Two Jerseys]

Behold, Vladimir Putin's new Porsche-Rolls-ZIS-Packard limo thing!

[Petrolheadia]

Behold, Vladimir Putin's new Porsche-Rolls-ZIS-Packard limo thing!

I think consumer versions of cars like this or The Beast wouldn't sell badly.

Strip all the classified stuff, sell it, profit.

[Auzkhia]

Behold, Vladimir Putin's new Porsche-Rolls-ZIS-Packard limo thing!

It looks less 1980s that's for sure.

[Freezic Vast]

Behold, Vladimir Putin's new Porsche-Rolls-ZIS-Packard limo thing!

That looks like a Rolls-Royce, a Chrysler, and a Cadillac all in one, and it looks okay, but it is seriously uncool.

[Petrolheadia]

Behold, Vladimir Putin's new Porsche-Rolls-ZIS-Packard limo thing!

That looks like a Rolls-Royce, a Chrysler, and a Cadillac all in one, and it looks okay, but it is seriously uncool.

If this guy drives it, it's automatically sub-zero.

[Patridam]

I can't really give much of an opinion on how good or bad Tesla is, I'm just a little convinced the media is kinda witch hunting the company. Sites like Jalopnik, which I really do enjoy, just can't have enough of bashing Telsa. Their points are given as facts when, in reality, there's a bias sticking it's pointy end in there.

Traditional car enthusiast sites/magazines will by default not like Teslas because the company treats them more like $50,000 iPhones than cars.

However almost every other type of site/news source as well as most people inevitably have nothing but positive things to say about Tesla and Ol' Musky.

If this guy drives it, it's automatically sub-zero.

I'm fairly certain the point is to *be* driven in it, rather than to drive it.

[Freezic Vast]

That looks like a Rolls-Royce, a Chrysler, and a Cadillac all in one, and it looks okay, but it is seriously uncool.

If this guy drives it, it's automatically sub-zero.

Who was the man who designed it, and/or what company gave him the money for it? And if we can get pictures of Putin actually driving it it'll move up to sub-zero then, maybe.