by Hatterleigh » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:29 pm
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Overview of Hatterleigh | William Botrum, Hatterleigh's President | Hatterlese Embassy Program | I don't use NS stats.by Bombadil » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:16 pm
by Benuty » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:24 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Pick a better source than The Sun.
by Fartsniffage » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:25 pm
by Benuty » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:26 pm
Bombadil wrote:I mean..
However, he said, Alfie’s undiagnosed degenerative condition had “almost entirely wiped out” his brain matter, which was now little more than water and cerebrospinal fluid.
It's indeed sad and no parent can be judged for wanting to save their child but it seems as inhumane to keep it technically alive. In fact, the trauma and legal actions around the case probably do more to harm the parents in the long run.
by Bombadil » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:28 pm
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by VoVoDoCo » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:33 pm
by Fartsniffage » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:36 pm
Vovodoco wrote:Where does it say the state won't let them seek help elsewhere?
by Bombadil » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:36 pm
Vovodoco wrote:Where does it say the state won't let them seek help elsewhere?
by VoVoDoCo » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:41 pm
by New Emeline » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:43 pm
by Fartsniffage » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:45 pm
New Emeline wrote:I can understand refusing to continue to offer life support, but why ban them from going anywhere else?
by VoVoDoCo » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:46 pm
New Emeline wrote:I can understand refusing to continue to offer life support, but why ban them from going anywhere else?
by The South Falls » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:48 pm
by Bombadil » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:56 pm
The South Falls wrote:Banning him from other places doesn't make sense, but if his entire brain doesn't exist, his life will be torture, even on the tiny chance that he survives.
by The South Falls » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:58 pm
Bombadil wrote:The South Falls wrote:Banning him from other places doesn't make sense, but if his entire brain doesn't exist, his life will be torture, even on the tiny chance that he survives.
I think to say 'banning him', while technically correct perhaps, doesn't capture it - essentially the move is completely futile. It's inhumane and cruel to keep what is essentially a lifeform in a vegetative state alive, transport them elsewhere, all for no purpose.
The question is whether to extend this lifeforms existence over banning from visiting other countries.
by Albrenia » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:59 pm
by Bombadil » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:01 pm
The South Falls wrote:Bombadil wrote:
I think to say 'banning him', while technically correct perhaps, doesn't capture it - essentially the move is completely futile. It's inhumane and cruel to keep what is essentially a lifeform in a vegetative state alive, transport them elsewhere, all for no purpose.
The question is whether to extend this lifeforms existence over banning from visiting other countries.
I don't know if letting him receive care in other countries would have done anything. Maybe, maybe not. But all I do know is that it's inhumane to keep him in that artificial vegetative state, for all this time.
by The South Falls » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:06 pm
Albrenia wrote:This is one of those decisions I'd never want to have to make.
Prolong hopeless misery while upholding the freedom of parents to do anything they can to help their child, or end said misery by denying said parents even the chance to try...
Bombadil wrote:The South Falls wrote:I don't know if letting him receive care in other countries would have done anything. Maybe, maybe not. But all I do know is that it's inhumane to keep him in that artificial vegetative state, for all this time.
What can be done when 'Alfie’s undiagnosed degenerative condition had “almost entirely wiped out” his brain matter, which was now little more than water and cerebrospinal fluid.
Are the Vatican going to pray in a new brain, or simply keep it technically alive as part of a 'right to life' campaign.
The court has ruled that letting him receive care in other countries will do nothing. You and I might maintain that 'we don't know' but the doctors and courts are pretty sure they do know.
Not to say I don't feel sorry for the family, must be a terrible ordeal.
by Bombadil » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:08 pm
The South Falls wrote:Albrenia wrote:This is one of those decisions I'd never want to have to make.
Prolong hopeless misery while upholding the freedom of parents to do anything they can to help their child, or end said misery by denying said parents even the chance to try...
But then continue the misery once they figure out they lost their child.Bombadil wrote:
What can be done when 'Alfie’s undiagnosed degenerative condition had “almost entirely wiped out” his brain matter, which was now little more than water and cerebrospinal fluid.
Are the Vatican going to pray in a new brain, or simply keep it technically alive as part of a 'right to life' campaign.
The court has ruled that letting him receive care in other countries will do nothing. You and I might maintain that 'we don't know' but the doctors and courts are pretty sure they do know.
Not to say I don't feel sorry for the family, must be a terrible ordeal.
Well, this is an absolutely horrible thing to do. Let your child die, and end that misery, or prolong that misery in knowing he'll never do anything, or go anywhere, but that he's still technically alive.
by Fartsniffage » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:10 pm
Bombadil wrote:The South Falls wrote:But then continue the misery once they figure out they lost their child.
Well, this is an absolutely horrible thing to do. Let your child die, and end that misery, or prolong that misery in knowing he'll never do anything, or go anywhere, but that he's still technically alive.
Yeah.. in thinking about it I'm beginning to think that sending him to the Vatican might not be a bad idea.. I mean for the comfort of the parents the idea that a miracle might happen.. and if the Vatican can't do anything that might be easier on them to accept than what I imagine is being portrayed as the heartless state and medical community by vested interests around the family.
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