by Ascysia » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:20 am
by Fifth Imperial Remnant » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:22 am
by Ascysia » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:24 am
Fifth Imperial Remnant wrote:If you want to start WWIII than go ahead...
by Yymea » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:25 am
Linnuis wrote: There's nothing at all stupid about the all leftists under twenty-fives online football challenge match... against the fascists.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:25 am
Ascysia wrote:The US, UK, France and allies have been successful in regime change in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq,
by Western-Ukraine » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:26 am
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by Ascysia » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:27 am
Yymea wrote:Man, if you're gonna list dictatorships, add Saudi Arabia to the list, US allies ain't goody two shoes lol
Conserative Morality wrote:Ascysia wrote:The US, UK, France and allies have been successful in regime change in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq,
No. We were not.
Successful regime change involves a successful transition as well.
We fucked Afghanistan by going into Iraq and letting the Taliban recover and regroup, we fucked Iraq by betraying the Awakening Councils for Al-Maliki, and we fucked Libya by doing absolutely nothing to maintain stability after overthrowing Gaddafi's government.
I'm a supporter of regime change, but it has to be done right.
by The East Marches II » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:27 am
by Austria-Latvia » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:28 am
by Yymea » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:28 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Ascysia wrote:The US, UK, France and allies have been successful in regime change in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq,
No. We were not.
Successful regime change involves a successful transition as well.
We fucked Afghanistan by going into Iraq and letting the Taliban recover and regroup, we fucked Iraq by betraying the Awakening Councils for Al-Maliki, and we fucked Libya by doing absolutely nothing to maintain stability after overthrowing Gaddafi's government.
I'm a supporter of regime change, but it has to be done right.
Linnuis wrote: There's nothing at all stupid about the all leftists under twenty-fives online football challenge match... against the fascists.
by Ascysia » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:29 am
The East Marches II wrote:Nah, you just gotta treat them like kids, remind them who is boss from time to time. There is no point in toppling a skrub, then you have a mess : (
by Kernen » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:30 am
Ascysia wrote:The East Marches II wrote:Nah, you just gotta treat them like kids, remind them who is boss from time to time. There is no point in toppling a skrub, then you have a mess : (
If we deal with them once and for all, there's no need to constantly remind them who's boss. If we keep doing that, tensions with Russia and China will get worse. We need to deal with their allies and shoot the bear's limbs, not poke its belly repeatedly.
by Ascysia » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:30 am
Austria-Latvia wrote:By forcing countries to do what they do not want to do is not the best way to do things, in my opinion. If you force everyone to accept liberal democracy, that's like forcing any other ideology on people.
Yymea wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:No. We were not.
Successful regime change involves a successful transition as well.
We fucked Afghanistan by going into Iraq and letting the Taliban recover and regroup, we fucked Iraq by betraying the Awakening Councils for Al-Maliki, and we fucked Libya by doing absolutely nothing to maintain stability after overthrowing Gaddafi's government.
I'm a supporter of regime change, but it has to be done right.
Eeh, I kinda doubt It can be done right thru direct foreign intervention. Financing opposition movements (that aren't as bad as the statu Quo, aka Venezuela) yeah, but not just slapping up some tanks in the name of freedom
by The East Marches II » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:30 am
Ascysia wrote:The East Marches II wrote:Nah, you just gotta treat them like kids, remind them who is boss from time to time. There is no point in toppling a skrub, then you have a mess : (
If we deal with them once and for all, there's no need to constantly remind them who's boss. If we keep doing that, tensions with Russia and China will get worse. We need to deal with their allies and shoot the bear's limbs, not poke its belly repeatedly.
by Western-Ukraine » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:30 am
Ascysia wrote:The East Marches II wrote:Nah, you just gotta treat them like kids, remind them who is boss from time to time. There is no point in toppling a skrub, then you have a mess : (
If we deal with them once and for all, there's no need to constantly remind them who's boss. If we keep doing that, tensions with Russia and China will get worse. We need to deal with their allies and shoot the bear's limbs, not poke its belly repeatedly.
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Region: U R N
by Ascysia » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:31 am
Kernen wrote:Ascysia wrote:If we deal with them once and for all, there's no need to constantly remind them who's boss. If we keep doing that, tensions with Russia and China will get worse. We need to deal with their allies and shoot the bear's limbs, not poke its belly repeatedly.
Thats a damn good way to kill millions and millions.
by The Holy Therns » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:32 am
Ascysia wrote:A week or so ago, President Donald Trump bombed Syria after claims that the dictator Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons on civilians - a warcrime. Trump was not being strong when he did this. Immediately after, he fell back, and now President Emmanuel Macron is doing his work to ensure America continues to play a role in Syria. This brings a new discussion to the table: whether its time for regime change in Syria, or not? But its not just Syria we should be discussing. Across the world, there are numerous dictators who need to be taught a lesson. The US, UK, France and allies have been successful in regime change in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq, and I think its time we take it a step further and continue regime change in . Today there are several countries still ran by anti-western dictators, and we must act as a unified force to take them out. I will list them below.
Myanmar, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Belarus, Cuba, North Korea, Palestine and Venezuela.
In the interests of spreading democracy, free markets and liberty, I believe that the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation should end its status as a defensive organisation, and transform into what it should be: a military organisation for liberating the downtrodden victims of totalitarianism. What do you all think? Is it time we shown Russia and China that we're not to be messed with anymore? Or should we sit by idly as authoritarianism runs rampant, and human rights abuses are committed by the allies of our enemies?
My personal opinion is that we need to funnel more money into the military and immediately move in to take out dictators trampling on civilians.
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by Fifth Imperial Remnant » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:32 am
Ascysia wrote:The East Marches II wrote:Nah, you just gotta treat them like kids, remind them who is boss from time to time. There is no point in toppling a skrub, then you have a mess : (
If we deal with them once and for all,there's no need to constantly remind them who's boss. If we keep doing that, tensions with Russia and China will get worse. We need to deal with their allies and shoot the bear's limbs, not poke its belly repeatedly.
by Telconi » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:32 am
by Kernen » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:33 am
by Ascysia » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:33 am
Western-Ukraine wrote:Ascysia wrote:If we deal with them once and for all, there's no need to constantly remind them who's boss. If we keep doing that, tensions with Russia and China will get worse. We need to deal with their allies and shoot the bear's limbs, not poke its belly repeatedly.
But the bear isn't going to let you do that, is it?
The East Marches II wrote:Ascysia wrote:If we deal with them once and for all, there's no need to constantly remind them who's boss. If we keep doing that, tensions with Russia and China will get worse. We need to deal with their allies and shoot the bear's limbs, not poke its belly repeatedly.
Yeah m8, you gonna actively suppress a shithole where there are bunch of small ethnic militias that all hate you? That sounds like trillions down the drain. If you want to deal with the Russians and Chinese, a couple of trillion could buy us a brand new shiny fleet!
by Dogmeat » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:33 am
by Kernen » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:33 am
Telconi wrote:Or y'know, we could stop shovelling the lives of young adults into the meat grinder of interventionist wars. Not to mention the untold billions wasted on making Iraq and Afghanistan such trash heaps.
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