[PASSED] Liberate The Monarchist Entente

[Alkasia]

Opposed.

Love the idea, trust me. I had The Roman Empire, but there's no Delegate-imposed password, so a Liberation is not going to do anything.

Preventative measures. See the first failed proposal for Liberate Westphalia. A sticking point to the failure of that resolution was the idea that a resolution wasn't needed because there was no password at the time. The result? The proposal failed, the region was passworded, the natives were ejected, and the region was turned into a raider trophy (before the founder returned). By the time a new proposal got to vote (which still narrowly failed), it was too late.

Don't make the same mistake. Stop the problem before it becomes one.

[Thils]

Opposed.

Love the idea, trust me. I hate The Roman Empire, but there's no Delegate-imposed password, so a Liberation is not going to do anything.

Preventative measures. See the first failed proposal for Liberate Westphalia. A sticking point to the failure of that resolution was the idea that a resolution wasn't needed because there was no password at the time. The result? The proposal failed, the region was passworded, the natives were ejected, and the region was turned into a raider trophy (before the founder returned). By the time a new proposal got to vote (which still narrowly failed), it was too late.

Don't make the same mistake. Stop the problem before it becomes one.

But...you can still put a password on the region after there is a liberation...
The Roman Empire would just need to find a new Delegate.

[Alkasia]

But...you can still put a password on the region after there is a liberation...
The Roman Empire would just need to find a new Delegate.

You're mistaken. A liberation blocks/removes all delegate-imposed passwords, regardless of who is in the position. The only thing it doesn't affect is founder-imposed passwords.

[Wrapper]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't line

Horrified by the make-up of the occupying forces, comprised of not one, not two, but three regions internationally blacklisted for various offenses;

Breaking SC-Rule 4a?

(a) You cannot reference the "real world" outside of NationStates.

The entire thing happened in a private chat back in february, after all. Not on the boards.

Not at all. Unless real organizations in the real world are the ones doing the blacklisting.

[Kaboomlandia]

Preventative measures. See the first failed proposal for Liberate Westphalia. A sticking point to the failure of that resolution was the idea that a resolution wasn't needed because there was no password at the time. The result? The proposal failed, the region was passworded, the natives were ejected, and the region was turned into a raider trophy (before the founder returned). By the time a new proposal got to vote (which still narrowly failed), it was too late.

Don't make the same mistake. Stop the problem before it becomes one.

But...you can still put a password on the region after there is a liberation...
The Roman Empire would just need to find a new Delegate.

No. No, you can’t, and this is why it’s so critical to pass this liberation while there’s still a window to save the region.

[Hehateu]

But...you can still put a password on the region after there is a liberation...
The Roman Empire would just need to find a new Delegate.

No. No, you can’t, and this is why it’s so critical to pass this liberation while there’s still a window to save the region.

Save from what? This region welcomes these new immigrants with open arms.

[Lenlyvit]

Well, its at vote.

[Aresin]

This "liberation" will not go unchallenged! We have a right to migrate, and we will defend that right to the death! And if it means that we must start banning natives until the region is accepted as our home, so be it!

[Kaboomlandia]

This "liberation" will not go unchallenged! We have a right to migrate, and we will defend that right to the death! And if it means that we must start banning natives until the region is accepted as our home, so be it!

Maybe your regions shouldn't have tolerated raiders blacklisted for OOC things, and we might have left you alone.

[Little St Nick]

Against
Take an actual look at the liberated regions:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=tag_s ... ed?start=0

There are fifteen on the list.
The first three on that list are a joke, and shouldn't be there.
Greece has a founder.
The last five are dead regions.
Which leaves six of fifteen liberations that you might consider worthwhile.

Liberations mean that the region will always be open to be raided, which makes it difficult to have a healthy community. So I'm against.

[Aresin]

This "liberation" will not go unchallenged! We have a right to migrate, and we will defend that right to the death! And if it means that we must start banning natives until the region is accepted as our home, so be it!

Maybe your regions shouldn't have tolerated raiders blacklisted for OOC things, and we might have left you alone.

You're condemning us all for the off-site actions of only a few individuals! Actions which occurred before newer nations, such as my own, were even on this site!

[Xiulens]

This is an example of a small resolution that still gets mostly voted for.

[Hessere]

Well, this is certainly an entertaining thread

[Kurnugia]

Maybe your regions shouldn't have tolerated raiders blacklisted for OOC things, and we might have left you alone.

You're condemning us all for the off-site actions of only a few individuals! Actions which occurred before newer nations, such as my own, were even on this site!

Then throw them out.

[Consular]

Maybe your regions shouldn't have tolerated raiders blacklisted for OOC things, and we might have left you alone.

You're condemning us all for the off-site actions of only a few individuals! Actions which occurred before newer nations, such as my own, were even on this site!

You're choosing to stay. Leave. Otherwise your words are just nothing.

[Caeiress]

Voting FOR because, as a rule, I'm against people trolling others.

[Little St Nick]

Voting FOR because, as a rule, I'm against people trolling others.

Liberated Iran has just been raided again.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=348110&start=2362
Voting "for" just opens a region up to long term "trolling".

[Biscuits of Zaplerv]

Voting FOR because, as a rule, I'm against people trolling others.

Liberated Iran has just been raided again.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=348110&start=2362
Voting "for" just opens a region up to long term "trolling".

You obviously don't know what a liberation does. It saves the region from being refounded. Period.

[The Sanders Empire]

Liberated Iran has just been raided again.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=348110&start=2362
Voting "for" just opens a region up to long term "trolling".

You obviously don't know what a liberation does. It saves the region from being refounded. Period.

But it also leaves the region exposed to raiders(like us) and it won't stop any long term damage.

[Hessere]

You obviously don't know what a liberation does. It saves the region from being refounded. Period.

But it also leaves the region exposed to raiders(like us) and it won't stop any long term damage.

So now you're finally accepting of who you actually are just to make a point? Alright, I suppose the act has gone on long enough.

[Tacela Islands]

The Tacela Islands expresses its concern for the events happening in this region, and will therefore support the motion.

[Benjabobaria]

Ayyy, a liberation that's not "remove the password on x fascist region WITH A FOUNDER because we don't like them"

Also, TRE is horrible. Full support.

[Benjabobaria]

But it also leaves the region exposed to raiders(like us) and it won't stop any long term damage.

Liberations can be repealed when the natives are solidly in control.

[Lenlyvit]

But it also leaves the region exposed to raiders(like us) and it won't stop any long term damage.

Liberations can be repealed when the natives are solidly in control.

^this. If the natives, which are currently in favor of the liberation, ever want to repeal this resolution anyone would be happy to help them.

[New-Brussels]

Liberations can be repealed when the natives are solidly in control.

^this. If the natives, which are currently in favor of the liberation, ever want to repeal this resolution anyone would be happy to help them.

They wouldn't need any help, the only necessary argument is that they would not neet the liberation anymore. Voting FOR.