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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:44 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:In the sense that they promote the event, chat up the sponsors and advertisers. But no one watches F1 to see the girls, they are just a pleasant addition.


That people do watch F1 to see the girls is the specific, explicit claim that I am arguing with here.


Well then.... carry on.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:05 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if for some people the grid girls were the "tiebreaker;" enough to tip the balance of whether or not F1 holds their attention well enough to keep viewers watching.

That it was no longer worth it could be due to a variety of factors, but I wouldn't be surprised if the PR value of pandering to customers who presume to know what's best for such grid girls, even if it costs them their jobs, might be one of them.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:09 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if for some people the grid girls were the "tiebreaker;" enough to tip the balance of whether or not F1 holds their attention well enough to keep viewers watching.

That it was no longer worth it could be due to a variety of factors, but I wouldn't be surprised if the PR value of pandering to customers who presume to know what's best for such grid girls, even if it costs them their jobs, might be one of them.

When did single modeling gigs become such a precious industry to protect that we cry to the heavens if but a handful are lost?

Also, no one mentioned what was good for the models, the board felt it no longer fit their brand. Until this moment, apparently, there was no F1 charity drive for hot young women.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:24 pm

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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if for some people the grid girls were the "tiebreaker;" enough to tip the balance of whether or not F1 holds their attention well enough to keep viewers watching.

That it was no longer worth it could be due to a variety of factors, but I wouldn't be surprised if the PR value of pandering to customers who presume to know what's best for such grid girls, even if it costs them their jobs, might be one of them.

When did single modeling gigs become such a precious industry to protect that we cry to the heavens if but a handful are lost?

Also, no one mentioned what was good for the models, the board felt it no longer fit their brand. Until this moment, apparently, there was no F1 charity drive for hot young women.


From my understanding the usages of whores and strip clubs goes up during special events such as these, so lots of single mom's are collecting euros courtesy of F1.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:54 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:When did single modeling gigs become such a precious industry to protect that we cry to the heavens if but a handful are lost?

It's a microcosm of them harming the people they're claiming to help. If they do so here, what's stopping them from doing so elsewhere?


Cannot think of a name wrote:Also, no one mentioned what was good for the models, the board felt it no longer fit their brand. Until this moment, apparently, there was no F1 charity drive for hot young women.

And where does "no longer fit their brand" negate the idea of pandering to customers who are absolutely convinced it is exploitative of the employees and/or some kind of thought crime? (Or in Chessmistress' case, apparently both?)

Just because they don't outright blame those customers and risk the resulting controversy and/or dispute about their truthfulness, doesn't mean it had nothing to do with them.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:14 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:When did single modeling gigs become such a precious industry to protect that we cry to the heavens if but a handful are lost?

It's a microcosm of them harming the people they're claiming to help. If they do so here, what's stopping them from doing so elsewhere?


Cannot think of a name wrote:Also, no one mentioned what was good for the models, the board felt it no longer fit their brand. Until this moment, apparently, there was no F1 charity drive for hot young women.

And where does "no longer fit their brand" negate the idea of pandering to customers who are absolutely convinced it is exploitative of the employees and/or some kind of thought crime? (Or in Chessmistress' case, apparently both?)

Just because they don't outright blame those customers and risk the resulting controversy and/or dispute about their truthfulness, doesn't mean it had nothing to do with them.

So it’s all in your head. Cool.
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Postby Hirota » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:25 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:So it’s all in your head. Cool.
Ooh look, gaslighting. Thats never considered a shitty, lazy tactic to stifle discussion. :roll:

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:It's a microcosm of them harming the people they're claiming to help. If they do so here, what's stopping them from doing so elsewhere?
It's a standard tactic. Women are free to do what they want as long as they do what they are told they can do. Women are being denied agency by patronising moral crusaders more interested in middle-class feelings than in actual women's rights to be empowered and have the freedom to do what they want.
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Postby New West Leas Oros » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:14 pm

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Postby Granluras » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:18 pm

It might be, in “feminist” terminology, “objectification” but it’s a living for those women. Now thousand of women are no longer employed, they’re deprived of what was probably a decent paying job, and now they’re going to be stressed out finding another. Another “victory” for feminism!
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:27 pm

Granluras wrote:It might be, in “feminist” terminology, “objectification” but it’s a living for those women. Now thousand of women are no longer employed, they’re deprived of what was probably a decent paying job, and now they’re going to be stressed out finding another. Another “victory” for feminism!

Thousands? Thousands?


Thousands.

I mean, in this thread you dug up for some reason there have been a lot of people who really, really have no idea what the hell is actually being discussed but...thousands. Did you imagine that an F1 race looks like the opening of Ready Player One? With...thousands of cars lined up?

Or that an F1 race is held under a canopy of umbrellas supported by thousands of grid girls holding them up?

When you typed out this delayed kneejerk reaction to this, what in the hell did you picture that thousands of women were now out of a job?

This doesn't even get to the fact that you dug up this old ass thread which means you had plenty of time to know that you were remaking the dumbest point that had already been do si doed like a half dozen times (or to put it in your math...thousands).

You, sir, have done something I didn't think possible on the internet. You have taken hyperbole to new heights. Take a fucking bow.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:32 pm

New West Leas Oros wrote:Just switch to NASCAR. problem solved.
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Issues there as well...
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:32 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Granluras wrote:It might be, in “feminist” terminology, “objectification” but it’s a living for those women. Now thousand of women are no longer employed, they’re deprived of what was probably a decent paying job, and now they’re going to be stressed out finding another. Another “victory” for feminism!

Thousands? Thousands?


Thousands.

I mean, in this thread you dug up for some reason there have been a lot of people who really, really have no idea what the hell is actually being discussed but...thousands. Did you imagine that an F1 race looks like the opening of Ready Player One? With...thousands of cars lined up?

Or that an F1 race is held under a canopy of umbrellas supported by thousands of grid girls holding them up?

When you typed out this delayed kneejerk reaction to this, what in the hell did you picture that thousands of women were now out of a job?

This doesn't even get to the fact that you dug up this old ass thread which means you had plenty of time to know that you were remaking the dumbest point that had already been do si doed like a half dozen times (or to put it in your math...thousands).

You, sir, have done something I didn't think possible on the internet. You have taken hyperbole to new heights. Take a fucking bow.

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Cannot think of a name wrote:
New West Leas Oros wrote:Just switch to NASCAR. problem solved.
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Issues there as well...

Is it a meaningful amount?
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Postby Valgora » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:38 pm

I think it's kinda stupid for them to get rid of "grid girls".
Of course, I don't watch F1 so....
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:53 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
New West Leas Oros wrote:Just switch to NASCAR. problem solved.
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Issues there as well...

Maybe they'll be calmed down by making the Monster Girls wear burqas.
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Postby Valgora » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:14 pm

Is there really anything wrong with F1 having "grid girls"?
What about the Octagon Girls in UFC? Should those be banned?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:19 pm

Valgora wrote:Is there really anything wrong with F1 having "grid girls"?

As stated ad nauseam in this thread already, the F1 board thought that they no longer represented the brand of F1 going into the future.
Valgora wrote:What about the Octagon Girls in UFC? Should those be banned?

Nothing was banned. If the head of the UFC decides that Octogan Girls do not fit the image that UFC wants to project, then sure. Not sure why you're asking.
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Postby Valgora » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:23 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Valgora wrote:Is there really anything wrong with F1 having "grid girls"?

As stated ad nauseam in this thread already, the F1 board thought that they no longer represented the brand of F1 going into the future.

I know what the board said, I'm just wanting to hear opinions on if them having the grid girls was actually a bad thing or not.

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Valgora wrote:What about the Octagon Girls in UFC? Should those be banned?

Nothing was banned. If the head of the UFC decides that Octogan Girls do not fit the image that UFC wants to project, then sure. Not sure why you're asking.

I know that Octagon Girls ain't banned. I was just bringing it up because I felt like it was relevant, I kinda wanted to hear people's personal opinions, and I like UFC.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:34 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:As stated ad nauseam in this thread already, the F1 board thought that they no longer represented the brand of F1 going into the future.

I know what the board said, I'm just wanting to hear opinions on if them having the grid girls was actually a bad thing or not.

F1 is above all an image brand. No one needs F1. F1 projects a lifestyle. In so much as it does that, the board has decided that grid girls do not project the image that they want to sell. That's all that really matters. If you need to see scantly clad women, you have options. That the grid of a Formula One race is no longer one of them is rather insignificant.

In terms of racing as a sport, the women are coming back. I stress this again, they're not starting to race, they are returning to racing. They were there at the beginning. They didn't stop because they weren't good or interested, they stopped because promoters feared that a woman dying in a crash would end the sport in public opinion. And so racing became a Hemingway-esque 'mansport' (Hemingway once said that racing was one of the only true sports and everything else was a game). F1 likely sees the writing on the wall, that a prominent woman driver in the series is on the horizon. This isn't concern for that one or two women's comfort, though. This is for those young fans who picture themselves as future F1 drivers. Those consumers. Those people who buy F1 gear and beg their parents to go to F1 events. When the young girls start seeing themselves as drivers rather than props they become more invested. They may not become F1 drivers but they become F1 consumers and fans.

It is no doubt a calculus that F1 considered for their future.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Nothing was banned. If the head of the UFC decides that Octogan Girls do not fit the image that UFC wants to project, then sure. Not sure why you're asking.

I know that Octagon Girls ain't banned. I was just bringing it up because I felt like it was relevant, I kinda wanted to hear people's personal opinions, and I like UFC.

As nothing is being banned, it's a non-sequitor.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:36 pm

Couldn't they just add some 'grid guys'? Get's rid of the problem without getting rid of the fun.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:41 pm

New Emeline wrote:Couldn't they just add some 'grid guys'? Get's rid of the problem without getting rid of the fun.

It was an expense that added nothing to the experience. You're paying people to be umbrella stands. It's the smallest piece of garnish in a very garnished dish. Honestly, had F1 not announced it it would have taken months for people to have noticed in the first place, and virtually no one in this thread would have known one way or the other.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Couldn't they just add some 'grid guys'? Get's rid of the problem without getting rid of the fun.

It was an expense that added nothing to the experience. You're paying people to be umbrella stands. It's the smallest piece of garnish in a very garnished dish. Honestly, had F1 not announced it it would have taken months for people to have noticed in the first place, and virtually no one in this thread would have known one way or the other.

Yeah, probably.
The whole thing just seems like a non-issue either way.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:48 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:It was an expense that added nothing to the experience. You're paying people to be umbrella stands. It's the smallest piece of garnish in a very garnished dish. Honestly, had F1 not announced it it would have taken months for people to have noticed in the first place, and virtually no one in this thread would have known one way or the other.

Yeah, probably.
The whole thing just seems like a non-issue either way.

Just another trivial point radfems and redpillers can hatefuck each other over.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:51 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Yeah, probably.
The whole thing just seems like a non-issue either way.

Just another trivial point radfems and redpillers can hatefuck each other over.

Both of which had fuckall to do with the issue.
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there is girls on the podium, either way they are often nice

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