(Abondoned) Predator Managment

[The Inland Emprie]

Predator Management Act
Category: Environmental
AOE: Agriculture
Whereas,
The World Assembly Recognizes the ability of all nations to manage what they may deem as Predators,

Whereas
The World Assembly also recognizes that the safety of the citizens and their property is important to the World Assembly,

Whereas,
Many nations have unique climates and unique creatures,

Therefore,
The World Assembley recognizes carnivorous animals that may harm citizen property or safety, excluding pets, as predators

Whereas,
Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force,

Whereas,
For the purposes of this resolution, the World Assembly allows all predator management techniques deemed universally humane,

Whereas,
Humane in this document is to mean: When an animal is either killed or captured instantly or rendered insensible until death or capture ensues, without pain, suffering or distress,

Whereas,
No hunting of predators may eradicate a endangered or non-endangered predator,

Whereas,
The hunting or capture of predators may not infringe on or harm indigenous tribes or indigenous nations hunting rights if the depend on the predator as a food source
Whereas,
A sapient being threatening another sapient being is not included in this bill

Therefore,
The World Assembly makes it mandatory that all nations must manage all predatory animals as listed by the World Assembly if they pose a significant threat to citizen safety or property with the management techniques listed above,

[The Inland Emprie]

Predator Management Act
Category: Environmental

WHEARAS,
The World Assembly Recognizes the ability of all nations to manage what they may deem as Predators,
WHERAS,
The World Assembly also recognizes that the safety of the citizens and their property is important to the World Assembly,
WHEARAS,
The World Assembly recognizes that Wolves, Pumas, Bobcats and Bears all pose a significant threat to the safety of citizens and there property,
WHEARAS,
The World Assembly deems these items as proper management techniques
1.Non-Lethal
A. Fladry
B. Livestock Guardian Animals
C. Foxlights
D. Squawk Boxes
E. And Others
2.Lethal
A. Killing of predator
THEREFORE,
The World Assembly makes it mandatory that all nations must manage all predatory animals as listed by the World Assembly if they pose a significant threat to human safety or property with the management techniques listed above,
THEREFORE,
The World Assembly approves the Predator Management Act.

Feel free to criticize, ect.

[Kenmoria]

"Add line breaks after each clause to make the proposal clearer. Also “human safety” is very discriminatory to the thousands of other sapient beings in the World Assembly."

[Kaboomlandia]

Miller: "This proposal needlessly restricts 'predatory animals' to those listed in the resolution, leaving no way to manage animals such as carnivorous birds, lions, tigers, cheetahs, dinosaurs, Blast-Ended Skrewts, Rathtars, etc. These predatory animals are also critical in maintaining population control for herbivorous animals that pose a threat to agriculture."

Opposed in its current form. I suggest adopting a more generalized definition.

[The Inland Emprie]

"Add line breaks after each clause to make the proposal clearer. Also “human safety” is very discriminatory to the thousands of other sapient beings in the World Assembly."

Show me what you mean by line breaks.
Will edit.

[The Inland Emprie]

Miller: "This proposal needlessly restricts 'predatory animals' to those listed in the resolution, leaving no way to manage animals such as carnivorous birds, lions, tigers, cheetahs, dinosaurs, Blast-Ended Skrewts, Rathtars, etc. These predatory animals are also critical in maintaining population control for herbivorous animals that pose a threat to agriculture."

Opposed in its current form. I suggest adopting a more generalized definition.

I was trying to be specific, but is see your point.
A overpopulation of predators is also harmful to agriculture, such as ranching.

[Jarish Inyo]

Opposed. We will deal with dangerous animals as we deem fit. We can’t just let animals that maim and kill our citizens roaming around.

[The Inland Emprie]

Opposed. We will deal with dangerous animals as we deem fit. We can’t just let animals that maim and kill our citizens roaming around.

This bill is to manage those predators. There are lethal and non-lethal options. The entire point is to manage those creatures that maim your citizens.

[Bears Armed]

OOC
Contradicts GA Resolution #267 'Sensible Limits on Hunting', and arguably also #66 'Endangered Species Protection'.

[The Inland Emprie]

OOC
Contradicts GA Resolution #267 'Sensible Limits on Hunting', and arguably also #66 'Endangered Species Protection'.

Is there any way that this can be construed so that it can be legal? AKA will the changes make it legal?

[New-Brussels]

OOC
Contradicts GA Resolution #267 'Sensible Limits on Hunting', and arguably also #66 'Endangered Species Protection'.

Is there any way that this can be construed so that it can be legal? AKA will the changes make it legal?

It is going to be very hard to both retain your intent and avoid breaking the rules due to the very nature of your proposal.

[The Inland Emprie]

Is there any way that this can be construed so that it can be legal? AKA will the changes make it legal?

It is going to be very hard to both retain your intent and avoid breaking the rules due to the very nature of your proposal.

Yuup.....

[Tinhampton]

It is going to be very hard to both retain your intent and avoid breaking the rules due to the very nature of your proposal.

Yuup.....

For the record, if you wish to abandon your draft (rather than just carry on with futility), change the (Draft) in your title to (Abandoned).

[The Inland Emprie]

Yuup.....

For the record, if you wish to abandon your draft (rather than just carry on with futility), change the (Draft) in your title to (Abandoned).

ill persevere for a little longer.

[Kenmoria]

"What about non-lethal tactics not mentioned in clause 1? There needs to be something to account for those."

[The Inland Emprie]

"What about non-lethal tactics not mentioned in clause 1? There needs to be something to account for those."

It is impossible to list all non lethal deterrents. I broadened the scope a little bit more.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Now, this is the wrong way to do whereas.

Whereas,
Blah

Is nowhere near as consistent or pretty as how actual legislatures do it:

Whereas blah.

[New-Brussels]

WHEARAS,
The World Assembly deems these items as proper management techniques
1.Non-Lethal
A. Fladry
B. Livestock Guardian Animals
C. Foxlights
D. Squawk Boxes
E. And Others That Do Not Harm The Predator(s)
2.Lethal
A. Killing of predator

"We believe a more concise way to put your intent would be :

'Whereas for the purposes of this resolution, the World Assembly allows all predator management techniques deemed universally humane;'

And even then, you might need to elaborate on what makes a predator management technique universally humane."

OOC : I pray for you that such an elaboration will not conflict with current law.

[New Mushroom Kingdom]

"We believe a more concise way to put your intent would be :

'Whereas for the purposes of this resolution, the World Assembly allows all predator management techniques deemed universally humane;'

And even then, you might need to elaborate on what makes a predator management technique universally humane."

OOC : I pray for you that such an elaboration will not conflict with current law.

Flicking through the proposal, both in it's current and previous forms, Holly notes that with the original exclusionary definition of predator replaced, this list is also out of place. Since it admits practically any management technique, it may as well say that instead of wasting space 'limiting' management techniques but including an 'other' option in an otherwise very specific list. However, the replacement definition of predator isn't very good either - the previous one presumed that nations only had the specific predators mentioned, this one goes too far in the other direction by making the label 'predator' too broad.

After she's done, Holly stands up to give her comments on the proposal, she starts by saying "Well, neither I nor the government have anything particularly against this idea, so tenative support assuming you take on feedback and the final draft has no problematic issues. That said, this does have a couple problems, even with the attempt to fix one. I'll happily quickly go through them for you though."

WHEARAS,
The World Assembly Recognizes the ability of all nations to manage what they may deem as Predators,
WHERAS,
The World Assembly also recognizes that the safety of the citizens and their property is important to the World Assembly,
WHERAS,
Many nations have unique climates and unique creatures,

"No objections to these clauses, especially as they're just a fluffy preamble for this proposal."

WHERAS,
The World Assembly recognizes that all carnivorous animals excluding dogs, cats and other domesticated pets, are deemed predators

"Your previous definition was far too restrictive, and I appreciate your attempt to fix it but this simply goes too far in the opposite direction, making many more species predators than really should be. An easy example of this definition's flaws is that it under it humans and likely many other non-human sapient species such as our Toads or Yoshis would technically be predators, since they're carnivorous as part of eating both plants and meat. This is neither intended nor desired, but sadly nothing better immediately springs to mind."

WHEARAS,
The World Assembly deems these items as proper management techniques
1.Non-Lethal
A. Fladry
B. Livestock Guardian Animals
C. Foxlights
D. Squawk Boxes
E. And Others That Do Not Harm The Predator(s)
2.Lethal
A. Killing of predator

"Your other problem is with this clause, it's both very broad and very specific at the same time. If you're going to have an explicit list of allowed management techniques, it defeats your point to have an 'other' option. However, I don't think that is a good idea to include in this proposal, it would just waste space as the WA does not need to have this information in the proposal. As for a potential replacement, I agree with the previous suggestion made by someone else. Not explicitly listing the techniques doesn't waste space listing many extant techniques, while preserving and extending the original intent by mandating all procedures are humane, or at least considered to be that."

WHEARAS,
The World Assembly recognizes the legality of GA Resolution #267 Sensible Limits on Hunting, and also GA Resolution #66 Endangered Species Protection. As to not violate these bills, no predator management may eradicate an endangered or, non-endangered species and follow all other regulations listed in the aforementioned bills.
THEREFORE,
The World Assembly makes it mandatory that all nations must manage all predatory animals as listed by the World Assembly if they pose a significant threat to citizen safety or property with the management techniques listed above,
THEREFORE,
The World Assembly approves the Predator Management Act.

"No objections, though in my personal opinion the last clause is entirely redundant and just wastes space. All proposals that win the vote in the GA are approved, so there's no point stating it in the proposal itself."

[The Inland Emprie]

Now, this is the wrong way to do whereas.

Whereas,
Blah

Is nowhere near as consistent or pretty as how actual legislatures do it:

Whereas blah.

Lol. will change

[The Inland Emprie]

Predator Management Act
Category: Environmental

Whereas,
The World Assembly Recognizes the ability of all nations to manage what they may deem as Predators,

Whereas
The World Assembly also recognizes that the safety of the citizens and their property is important to the World Assembly,

Whereas,
Many nations have unique climates and unique creatures,

Therefore,
The World Assembley recognizes carnivorous animals that may harm human property or safety, excluding pets

Whereas,
For the purposes of this resolution, the World Assembly allows all predator management techniques deemed universally humane

Whereas,
Humane in this document is to mean: "Not creating additional or unneeded pain to the predators to be deterred or removed.

Whereas,
The World Assembly recognizes the legality of GA Resolution #267 Sensible Limits on Hunting, and also GA Resolution #66 Endangered Species Protection. As to not violate these bills, no predator management may eradicate an endangered or, non-endangered species and follow all other regulations listed in the aforementioned bills.

Therefore,
The World Assembly makes it mandatory that all nations must manage all predatory animals as listed by the World Assembly if they pose a significant threat to citizen safety or property with the management techniques listed above,

THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED REVISE THIS DOC. SO FAR

[Kaboomlandia]

I'm pretty sure the House of Cards rule is still a thing - resolutions can't depend on other resolutions.

[Kenmoria]

"The last “WHEREAS” looks to violate the House of Cards rule. How can you acknowledge the legality of a resolution that has since been repealed?"

[Imperium Anglorum]

Come on, Kenmoria. (And I guess, a small update for Kaboom, since he's been gone a while at least.) We've had this debate already; the sensible wing already won: viewtopic.php?p=33109496#p33109496 and viewtopic.php?p=33123215#p33123215

EDIT: Kaboom, there have been some changes vis-à-vis ruleset interpretation since the last time you've been active on the GA forums, I believe. You may want to consult my catalogue thereof : http://bit.ly/gensec-catalogue . I promise it has nothing to do with Bitely.

[The Inland Emprie]

Come on, Kenmoria. (And I guess, a small update for Kaboom, since he's been gone a while at least.) We've had this debate already; the sensible wing already won: viewtopic.php?p=33109496#p33109496 and viewtopic.php?p=33123215#p33123215

EDIT: Kaboom, there have been some changes vis-à-vis ruleset interpretation since the last time you've been active on the GA forums, I believe. You may want to consult my catalogue thereof : http://bit.ly/gensec-catalogue . I promise it has nothing to do with Bitely.

Sooo, I am not violating house of cards?