Scorinators (OOC Discussion)

[North Prarie]

NVm, got it. My only question is: How do you determine skill? Should a user submit it? Use the rankings? IDK.

[Free Republics]

NVm, got it. My only question is: How do you determine skill? Should a user submit it? Use the rankings? IDK.

If you're hosting the WBC, use the rankings and add RP bonus to them. If you're hosting a tournament with no ranks, start everybody at 0 and enter their RP bonus as their skill (in other words, don't use the "bonus" section of xkoranate unless you're hosting the Olympics) If you're doing a domestic league, set the skill however you want.

If you want to keep randomness under control, set the max skill to whatever the highest rank+bonus currently is.

[Razenthuria]

SO hello, is there a way to edit Xkoranate's Equestrian, eventting - cross country setting for Donkey racing?
I'm like a backwards nation and I have no familiarity with Equestrian irl, I simply want to race donkeys (which aren't as fast as horses) so I can further the meme that is a Nordic-styled African nation.

[Amuaplye]

Every time I try to scorinate a triple jump (Men's and Women's) event on xkoranate, it crashes. Everything goes well, and the once I click the dice button to scorinate, it crashes.

Also, shot put doesn't work either.

[Osarius]

Every time I try to scorinate a triple jump (Men's and Women's) event on xkoranate, it crashes. Everything goes well, and the once I click the dice button to scorinate, it crashes.

Also, shot put doesn't work either.

If other events work fine, my first suggestion would be to download xkoranate again and see if the problem persists. It's possible a few of the event files have gotten corrupted somehow.

[Amuaplye]

Also, shot put doesn't work either.

If other events work fine, my first suggestion would be to download xkoranate again and see if the problem persists. It's possible a few of the event files have gotten corrupted somehow.

I've downloaded it onto 2 computers, and they both have the same issue.

[South Toronto]

HI, I've been thinking of making a football tournament but I have no idea how to set skill, and if you use current rankings how would you do that?

[Free Republics]

HI, I've been thinking of making a football tournament but I have no idea how to set skill, and if you use current rankings how would you do that?

In xkoranate, just set the max skill to whatever the highest rank+bonus is and enter the total directly into skill. Leave the min skill at 0. You can ignore the "bonus" section of xkoranate completely unless you're hosting the Olympics or another multi-sport event.

If you're using SQIS (or any formula based upon SQIS), the max skill doesn't matter. If you're using NSFS, setting the max skill too high causes lots of randomness.

[North Prarie]

HI, I've been thinking of making a football tournament but I have no idea how to set skill, and if you use current rankings how would you do that?

In xkoranate, just set the max skill to whatever the highest rank+bonus is and enter the total directly into skill. Leave the min skill at 0. You can ignore the "bonus" section of xkoranate completely unless you're hosting the Olympics or another multi-sport event.

If you're using SQIS (or any formula based upon SQIS), the max skill doesn't matter. If you're using NSFS, setting the max skill too high causes lots of randomness.

Wait, so if the highest rank is 1 (top ranking) plus bonus, would it be 1.75, or 43.75? (43 would be lowest rank besides UR)

[Darmen]

In xkoranate, just set the max skill to whatever the highest rank+bonus is and enter the total directly into skill. Leave the min skill at 0. You can ignore the "bonus" section of xkoranate completely unless you're hosting the Olympics or another multi-sport event.

If you're using SQIS (or any formula based upon SQIS), the max skill doesn't matter. If you're using NSFS, setting the max skill too high causes lots of randomness.

Wait, so if the highest rank is 1 (top ranking) plus bonus, would it be 1.75, or 43.75? (43 would be lowest rank besides UR)

The rank you input into the scoriantor should be the ranking points, not the rank. For instance: Schottia has a rank of 62.74, not 1.

[North Prarie]

When I copy pasted the table into the [pre] code, it looked weird. Why is this??

[Drawkland]

When I copy pasted the table into the [pre] code, it looked weird. Why is this??

What exactly is the "weirdness" you are experiencing?

[North Prarie]

When I copy pasted the table into the [pre] code, it looked weird. Why is this??

What exactly is the "weirdness" you are experiencing?

the tags above the numbers such as W, L, RD, P, are really left, right above the names.

[Drawkland]

What exactly is the "weirdness" you are experiencing?

the tags above the numbers such as W, L, RD, P, are really left, right above the names.

So [pre] tags always count specific amounts of spaces, as you may have noticed. But for the first line, it doesn't count spaces until it reaches the first character, hence why the title line slides over. You can fix this by putting a period or # sign for the first character instead of a space. Well, really, you can use anything, like underlining the whole line, but those make the most sense when seeing a table.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

So, I know we had a discussion in the NSCF discussion thread about getting scoring increased a little bit. I just did a comparison with an 8 team, 10 game setup between the current NSFS_3 and the world bowl formula that was posted there. I used the SQIS as a control. I kept the skill of the teams between 2.5 and 3.3 on a min/max scale of 1-5. I gave all the teams a bonus roughly in an inverse proportion to their skill level and assigned style fairly even between 0 and +3.

SQIS with sudden death

Pld    W   L    PF   PA    Win % 
1 Endover                10    6   4   109   96    0.600
2 Baker Park             10    6   4   150  136    0.600
3 A&M                    10    6   4   124  138    0.600
4 OSH                    10    5   5   124  140    0.500
5 USL                    10    5   5   171  155    0.500
6 UC                     10    5   5   267  172    0.500
7 EZR                    10    4   6   152  146    0.400
8 COOL                   10    3   7    94  208    0.300

I kept the same setting across the board and then used the NSFS_3 with IFAF OT

NSFS-3 with IFAF OT

Pld    W   L    PF   PA    Win % 
1 Endover                10    7   3   215  158    0.700
2 OSH                    10    6   4   198  161    0.600
3 EZR                    10    6   4   218  141    0.600
4 UC                     10    6   4   189  180    0.600
5 USL                    10    5   5   187  166    0.500
6 A&M                    10    5   5   161  204    0.500
7 Baker Park             10    4   6   161  196    0.400
8 COOL                   10    1   9   113  236    0.100

finally I adjusted the the styles a bit to narrow the gap to +1 and +2.4 and cut the bonus for each about 40-60%. I left the skill level the same, but changed the min/max range to 2-4.

Let's just compare the week 1 from the control test and the World Bowl formula test, shall we?

week 1--SQIS
A&M 20–10 USL
Baker Park 24–30 UC
COOL 24–9 OSH
EZR 7–10 Endover

week 1--NSFS
A&M 20–27 USL
Baker Park 3–30 UC
COOL 10–20 OSH
EZR 24–13 Endover

week 1--World bowl
Endover 60–34 EZR
Baker Park 89–16 USL
UC 43–40 OSH
COOL 43–35 A&M

not much a difference at all, you see....

here's the final table for another comparison to the other tables

WB with sudden death

Pld    W   L    PF   PA 
1 USL                    10    7   3   417  365
2 Endover                10    7   3   313  234
3 A&M                    10    6   4   342  317
4 OSH                    10    5   5   352  253
5 UC                     10    5   5   282  373
6 Baker Park             10    4   6   318  312
7 EZR                    10    4   6   309  324
8 COOL                   10    2   8   242  397

Yes COOL was meant to be the worst team although I doubled their skill and cut their bonus less than the rest of them for the third go-round. But you'll note how bunched together everyone is, and some of the scores made no sense at all--take a look and compare these 2 scores from week 2 of the WB with the results from the week prior above:

USL 66–29 UC
Endover 56–19 Baker Park

I don't know if this will impress anyone, I did it for my own benefit to see how to to set up parameter for my domestic stuff. But comments and questions are welcome.

EDIT--thanks NK, good looking out...I knew it looked sloppy

[Northwest Kalactin]

So, I know we had a discussion in the NSCF discussion thread about getting scoring increased a little bit. I just did a comparison with an 8 team, 10 game setup between the current NSFS_3 and the world bowl formula that was posted there. I used the SQIS as a control. I kept the skill of the teams between 2.5 and 3.3 on a min/max scale of 1-5. I gave all the teams a bonus roughly in an inverse proportion to their skill level and assigned style fairly even between 0 and +3.

SQIS with sudden death
Pld W L PF PA Win %
1 Endover 10 6 4 109 96 0.600
2 Baker Park 10 6 4 150 136 0.600
3 A&M 10 6 4 124 138 0.600
4 OSH 10 5 5 124 140 0.500
5 USL 10 5 5 171 155 0.500
6 UC 10 5 5 267 172 0.500
7 EZR 10 4 6 152 146 0.400
8 COOL 10 3 7 94 208 0.300

I kept the same setting across the board and then used the NSFS_3 with IFAF OT

NSFS-3 with IFAF OT
Pld W L PF PA Win %
1 Endover 10 7 3 215 158 0.700
2 OSH 10 6 4 198 161 0.600
3 EZR 10 6 4 218 141 0.600
4 UC 10 6 4 189 180 0.600
5 USL 10 5 5 187 166 0.500
6 A&M 10 5 5 161 204 0.500
7 Baker Park 10 4 6 161 196 0.400
8 COOL 10 1 9 113 236 0.100

finally I adjusted the the styles a bit to narrow the gap to +1 and +2.4 and cut the bonus for each about 40-60%. I left the skill level the same, but changed the min/max range to 2-4.

Let's just compare the week 1 from the control test and the World Bowl formula test, shall we?

week 1--SQIS
A&M 20–10 USL
Baker Park 24–30 UC
COOL 24–9 OSH
EZR 7–10 Endover

week 1--NSFS
A&M 20–27 USL
Baker Park 3–30 UC
COOL 10–20 OSH
EZR 24–13 Endover

week 1--World bowl
Endover 60–34 EZR
Baker Park 89–16 USL
UC 43–40 OSH
COOL 43–35 A&M

not much a difference at all, you see....

here's the final table for another comparison to the other tables

WB with sudden death
Pld W L PF PA
1 USL 10 7 3 417 365
2 Endover 10 7 3 313 234
3 A&M 10 6 4 342 317
4 OSH 10 5 5 352 253
5 UC 10 5 5 282 373
6 Baker Park 10 4 6 318 312
7 EZR 10 4 6 309 324
8 COOL 10 2 8 242 397

Yes COOL was meant to be the worst team although I doubled their skill and cut their bonus less than the rest of them for the third go-round. But you'll note how bunched together everyone is, and some of the scores made no sense at all--take a look and compare these 2 scores from week 2 of the WB with the results from the week prior above:

USL 66–29 UC
Endover 56–19 Baker Park

I don't know if this will impress anyone, I did it for my own benefit to see how to to set up parameter for my domestic stuff. But comments and questions are welcome.

Put the tables in [pre] boxes

[Schiltzberg]

Hello, I tried downloading some of these scorinators, but it just downloaded them as zip files, and I do not know how to actually use them from there. Also worth noting, I am using a Chromebook, which might not be capable of doing scorinators.

[Darmen]

Hello, I tried downloading some of these scorinators, but it just downloaded them as zip files, and I do not know how to actually use them from there. Also worth noting, I am using a Chromebook, which might not be capable of doing scorinators.

You'll need to extract the files first.

[95X]

Hello, I tried downloading some of these scorinators, but it just downloaded them as zip files, and I do not know how to actually use them from there. Also worth noting, I am using a Chromebook, which might not be capable of doing scorinators.

According to Wikipedia, Chromebooks run Chrome OS and I'm unaware of any downloadable scorinator that works with it. (Under other Linux distributions, the source code and the compatible compilers can be downloaded so the program is built from that.) You might be able to use something that's hosted online and/or an online spreadsheet.

[Schiltzberg]

This may be a dumb question, but it just downloaded as a text file, so how do I open it as an application?

[Free Republics]

This may be a dumb question, but it just downloaded as a text file, so how do I open it as an application?

If you're asking about the XML files, you have to install them into xkoranate's sports folder (and you'd have to have xkoranate downloaded to do that). If you've downloaded the source code for a scorinator, you'll have to compile it. Xkoranate's source requires Qt and a C++ compiler to be installed before you can compile it (and, with current versions of Qt, you'll have to update some portions of the source code to replace obsolete function calls with newer equivalents).

If you're trying to run Java-based scorinators (such as NSFS or Baseinator), this might work.

Hello, I tried downloading some of these scorinators, but it just downloaded them as zip files, and I do not know how to actually use them from there. Also worth noting, I am using a Chromebook, which might not be capable of doing scorinators.

According to Wikipedia, Chromebooks run Chrome OS and I'm unaware of any downloadable scorinator that works with it. (Under other Linux distributions, the source code and the compatible compilers can be downloaded so the program is built from that.) You might be able to use something that's hosted online and/or an online spreadsheet.

I did a bit of reading about Chrome OS and it looks like it'd be only slightly less difficult to install xkoranate on than it is to install xkoranate on Android. Since Chromebooks have ARM processors, you'd have to actually compile it on one because you can't use a binary compiled for an x86 processor on an ARM processor.

There's also the option of using a public computer to run scorinators. If you're able to access the Internet and use a USB drive on a library or university computer, you should be able to run xkoranate or any other scorinator on such a computer (I don't recommend doing this or anything personal on a K-12 school computer or a workplace computer).

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Just as an aside, given how often questions about running scorinators on devices other than PCs come up, I'd actually be interested, I think, in creating a general web-based scorinator with a database, user accounts and all the features you'd need to host tournaments (plus ideally the ability to create the equivalent of xkoranate's XML files) but I wouldn't want to spend money to host it.

[95X]

Just as an aside, given how often questions about running scorinators on devices other than PCs come up, I'd actually be interested, I think, in creating a general web-based scorinator with a database, user accounts and all the features you'd need to host tournaments (plus ideally the ability to create the equivalent of xkoranate's XML files) but I wouldn't want to spend money to host it.

It's probably also worth mentioning that the scorinators we have today are the result of those skilled in computer programming being members of the NS Sports community and programming them.

Thanks to a recent domestic league post by New Lusitania and the Algarves, I'm now aware of a site called leaguesimulator.eu; after mentioning it on IRC it was said that it's been known to some for a while but considered limited as far as the programs we're used to go. (I haven't personally tried it, but thought it might be helpful to mention it here.)

[Schiltzberg]

Thank you for your help! Sorry for late response. I'll try and see if I can get it to work.

[Tobiasia]

How do you use scorinators?

[Darmen]

How do you use scorinators?

That depends on which one you are using. For xkoranate, see this. It's for the 0.3.2 version, but it shouldn't be any different with 0.3.3, the current version.