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Ardchoille
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Postby Ardchoille » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:53 pm

Mahaj wrote:
as long as nations all over NationStates
Is this a Rule IV violation?


No. It's like saying "all over the world". The multiverse. Whatever. NationStates has been mentioned in that fashion in several resolutions.
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Humanists8
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Security Council

Postby Humanists8 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:21 pm

Reseda Island wrote:what a waste of time, the s.c. has become


That is because it doesn't exactly do much. On the Unknown region's revealing RMB, someone described the WASC as 'a powerless tool if you consider it only has two powers... put pretty stickers on regions and nuke a password.
Stickers do nothing, and passwords are pointless if you know what the bloody hell you're doing.'
True, another poster made a damming analysis of Grub as 'useless on the gamemap and one of the reasons why NS is currently a castrated game.' And less we be in any doubt of the hypocrisy in 10000 Islands one RMB message said 'I've seen 10KI destroy peaceful, neutral regions, just because Grub and Boo thought they could. This was before the days of influence.' [1] In other words, they are counter raiders cynically posing as 'defenders'. Of course it is just a game afterall, but this is the same region that voted against condemning NWO on the grounds that they were bad raiders as somehow lacking in skillful raiding tactics, the implication being that they are the good raiders, you couldn't make it up! It's a strange world in NationStates that's for sure where no nation or region is quite what it seems.

I have thought to myself that if we can't behave rationally in NationStates and see raiding and 'defending' (a euphemism for counter raiding) as harmless entertainment then how can we behave rationally in RL? No wonder social democracy is dying in RL [2]




1) RMB post in Unknown
2) 'Social democracy is dying – even in Sweden' by Nathalie Rothschild Spiked
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Metania
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Postby Metania » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:39 pm

Humanists8 wrote:I have thought to myself that if we can't behave rationally in NationStates and see raiding and 'defending' (a euphemism for counter raiding) as harmless entertainment then how can we behave rationally in RL? No wonder social democracy is dying in RL [2]


I have a banana I have smashed, therefore everyone in the real world is moving against social democracy.

This is the argument I see before me; NS is not a relevant reflection on real world politics. Most NS people pay more attention to politics than the average person, and Raiding and Defending are analogues to war, something which is more prevalent on NS than in the real world, and not really an equal thing, as no one 'dies' from these little 'wars' in NS raiding/defending.
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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:43 pm

Metania wrote:
Humanists8 wrote:I have thought to myself that if we can't behave rationally in NationStates and see raiding and 'defending' (a euphemism for counter raiding) as harmless entertainment then how can we behave rationally in RL? No wonder social democracy is dying in RL [2]


I have a banana I have smashed, therefore everyone in the real world is moving against social democracy.

This is the argument I see before me; NS is not a relevant reflection on real world politics. Most NS people pay more attention to politics than the average person, and Raiding and Defending are analogues to war, something which is more prevalent on NS than in the real world, and not really an equal thing, as no one 'dies' from these little 'wars' in NS raiding/defending.

so... you vote FOR or AGAINST?
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<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Ballotonia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:13 am

Mahaj wrote:so... you vote FOR or AGAINST?


See that nations page: 1 day ago: Metania voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Condemn NWO".

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Postby Humanists8 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:52 am

Metania wrote:
Humanists8 wrote:I have thought to myself that if we can't behave rationally in NationStates and see raiding and 'defending' (a euphemism for counter raiding) as harmless entertainment then how can we behave rationally in RL? No wonder social democracy is dying in RL [2]


I have a banana I have smashed, therefore everyone in the real world is moving against social democracy.

This is the argument I see before me; NS is not a relevant reflection on real world politics. Most NS people pay more attention to politics than the average person, and Raiding and Defending are analogues to war, something which is more prevalent on NS than in the real world, and not really an equal thing, as no one 'dies' from these little 'wars' in NS raiding/defending.


yes, but the NS multiverse is a way of asserting fantasy power because in the real world people have virtually no power. In this culture of therapy, NS is a way of venting frustrations and complaining about defending and raiding, (by the way as I said earlier, there is no difference between the two). Thus, NS is a reflection of their lack of power in the real world. What are political parties today but ideology-lite marketable brands. Time to put the P back into politics in RL.

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Markus Wolf
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Postby Markus Wolf » Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:21 am

*yawn*
Our raiding tactics are fine, thanks. We just attack foundered, and active, regions, instead of the weak little pieces of junk most so called raiders go for.


Fuaidh Mor wrote:Ha Ha NWO are even any good at making themselves unpopular, which surely is the most easy thing in th world to do. Fail.

At least are grammar is plus-good.
I believe you meant that we aren't even good at making ourselves unpopular. In reality, we did not originally intend to be condemned, but when the proposition came up, we endorsed it as an advertising campaign. Nothing more, nothing less. And I am compiling a master number for my agents, because URBOV's is inadequate.

To all of the faux-Freuds whining about NS: Just quit The Game. If it is such an allegory for why the world is screwed, then try finding another site. MLIA perhaps? Or, we could create a thread about what we want changed, and **maybe** Max Barry and Pythagosaurus (you know who you are) will listen.
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Postby Criminal Affaires » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:10 am

Dear leaders

It is the wish of the people of The Armed Republic of Criminal Affaires to vote against this condemnation for the following reasons:

1) The region NWO contains just 27 nations whilst the WA has over 11,000 members, this is not in line with 'equality of arms'

2) The region NWO is charged for raiding other regions yet the nation of The Grand Millian can not even tell us how many regions where attacked.

3) The nation of The Grand Millian accuses the region NWO of using 'over 60 known undercover nations' without even naming one of these so called undercover nations.

4) The nation of The Grand Millian recognizes 'that this spy network has forced many regions into submission' again whitout naming even one of these regions

5) Not one shred of evidence of a NWO controlled spy network is presented by the nation of The Grand Millian.

Therefore concluding that this condemnation is not based on hard factual evidence but rather based upon rancune, jealousy and hatred. If the region NWO can be condemned whitout any evidence then this can happen to all of us. Therefore as leader of The Armed Republic of Criminal Affaires I call upon all leaders to vote against this condemnation.
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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:25 am

Markus Wolf wrote:At least are grammar is plus-good.


Wait, what? :lol2:

To all of the faux-Freuds whining about NS: Just quit The Game. If it is such an allegory for why the world is screwed, then try finding another site.


At least I can agree with this statement here.
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C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
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C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
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C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
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C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia

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Markus Wolf
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Ex-Nation

Postby Markus Wolf » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:43 am

It is from 1984, Newspeak.

Here are a couple of 'agents'-
JakeD
WillD
StapoOne
JosephStalin1
Me

That should leave you busy for a while.

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Red Zone 1
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Postby Red Zone 1 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:53 am

The Most Serene Republic of Redzon [i]rejected this security council, sharing the same view with out Region. I am afraid that this movement to condemn the NWO is not persuasive enough to merit our approval.[/i] - Ambassador to the WA.

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Postby Goobergunchia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:15 am

We find this resolution to be depressingly boring. Goobergunchia votes against.
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Postby Echoshock » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:36 am

Goobergunchia wrote:We find this resolution to be depressingly boring. Goobergunchia votes against.

I wouldn't even vote... doesn't seem to mean anything.

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Alliancen Nordisk
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Ex-Nation

Postby Alliancen Nordisk » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:34 pm

Screw it, against.

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Metania
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Postby Metania » Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:11 pm

Voted against because, of course, being a raider does not equal insta-condemn in my book, and the other data seems questionable at best, so, no reason exists in my mind to condemn them.

Also, I post the question to Mr. "Reality politics no one has any power": What of those who play NS but live in nations where direct democracy is the norm? What're they trying to compensate for then?
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Postby Unibot » Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:10 pm



:o

What a surprise!
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Pythria
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Ex-Nation

Postby Pythria » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:02 pm

Markus Wolf wrote:Here are a couple of 'agents'-
JakeD
WillD
StapoOne
JosephStalin1
Me
Never would have guessed... :roll:
That should leave you busy for a while.
Yeah, busy figuring out why you just revealed your puppets to me.

Nah, just kidding. I'm not going to waste my time.
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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:24 pm

Pythria wrote:
Markus Wolf wrote:Here are a couple of 'agents'-
JakeD
WillD
StapoOne
JosephStalin1
Me
Never would have guessed... :roll:
That should leave you busy for a while.
Yeah, busy figuring out why you just revealed your puppets to me.

Nah, just kidding. I'm not going to waste my time.

how do you do it?
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<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Bantland » Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:05 am

You petty weaklings! Why should those who are strong and intelligent fall prey to the weak. This bill is nothing more than a thinly veiled attack against those who can by those who cant. I say NO! Any god fearling capitalist nation will vote with me. The Marxists of this world will say that NWO is a manifestation of all that is wrong in this world, that they enslave the weak and exploit that masses; however, I say that they make good use of their resources and are a model nation. I speak for my people and say that I will take example from these shining people and do what I can to follow in their foot steps. LONG LIVE THE CROWN PRINCE!

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Postby Pythria » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:43 am

Bantland wrote:You petty weaklings! Why should those who are strong and intelligent fall prey to the weak. This bill is nothing more than a thinly veiled attack against those who can by those who cant. I say NO! Any god fearling capitalist nation will vote with me. The Marxists of this world will say that NWO is a manifestation of all that is wrong in this world, that they enslave the weak and exploit that masses; however, I say that they make good use of their resources and are a model nation. I speak for my people and say that I will take example from these shining people and do what I can to follow in their foot steps. LONG LIVE THE CROWN PRINCE!
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Bantland
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[AT VOTE] Condemn NWO

Postby Bantland » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:07 am

To tell you the truth I don't either. I was bored.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Godfather Asylum » Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:35 pm

What a waste of proposal this is.

If we decided to condemn ever region that has 1) An active military, 2) A spy network, and 3) Huge egos then we might as well Condemn every Defender and Raiding Region. *eyeroll*
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Navadura
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Union

Postby Navadura » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:53 pm

We should all work together as a Union to discourage raiding which has caused the destruction of 30 regions.
Condemning does not do anything largely due to the fact that this raiding organization has grown more.

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Metania
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Postby Metania » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:26 pm

1. Defenders have existed since the first days of raiding, therefore 'we' do not need to become a 'union' to stop Raiders.
2. We are not to mindlessly shut out raiders, lest we crush one major part of the game for no reason.
3. Name the destroyed regions; if they do not have a founder and the natives of them wish to liberate it, that is something that CAN be done, thus un-destroying the region.
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Kalibarr
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Postby Kalibarr » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:31 pm

Imperialists =/= raiders

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