Prosorusiya wrote:Have you met him?
No he's been dead for like 10 years.
Prosorusiya wrote:He’s a pompous, self important ass
*Was, and so what. Plenty of intelligent and prodigious people were pompous, self important asses. Honestly that just makes him sound better since he was smashing the Japanimation Ceiling in 1985 and probably explains why.
Prosorusiya wrote:Prime time, general audience anime started with AstroBoy and Gigantor,
And it would have ended there without Robotech or whatever butchered anime takes Robotech's place. So you get Bowdlerized anime for like 10 years anyway. Robotech was necessarily a product of its time.
You're just mad about it because you like Macross I think. It's the only reasonable position. Being mad about a creation because "the creator was annoying" isn't a position. It's absurdity.
Prosorusiya wrote:but it’s “creator” overstates it’s importance massively.
I doubt he did. He probably understated it. Robotech itself was massively important. It was literally the biggest anime of the 1980s. If Robotech doesn't appear, either something else does, or anime dies in America for a few years. Then it comes back with Bowdlerized Sailor Moon that cuts out the friendships and romance elements or something because they're "too mature for 7 year olds". Which were the target audience of shows like Speed Racer and Astroboy. And any Japanimation before Robotech, TBH. Which is why Robotech was important. It raised the bar both artistically and plot-wise to something that teenagers could enjoy.
The actual prototype of shows like Sailor Moon in the first place!
Prosorusiya wrote:Sailor Moon, for example, has had a much larger impact on popular culture overall and Pokémon
And you think it would have had such an impact had television executives decided to butcher either of these shows instead of Robotech? Did you not stop to consider that Robotech was both an unavoidable consequence of its time and a groundbreaking series that paved the way for future shows to come later? No, of course not. Without Robotech you end up with the 1990s resembling the 1980s and people will say it's hip to hate Sailor Moon or Pokemon because "it's not the original" whatever. OTOH you'd have a prototype for the first truly massive arc-spanning animes to come.
Prosorusiya wrote:Whereas I didn’t even know it existed prior to my unfortunate encounter.
You can't judge it properly at all because you didn't experience it at the time. Neither can anyone judge it properly who experienced it at the time. You're the opposite of rose tinted glasses and just as bad or worse.
I, however, can judge it because I never experienced it period (I only know about it in passing and its history), so I am not blinded by bias towards its creator because he said something mean to me nor blinded by nostalgia because I watched it in my childhood. I'm a totally neutral observer who is pointing out that the alternative to Robotech is either some incomprehensible Engrish thing that no red-blooded Reagan-era TV executive would show on their network to 10 year olds, or doing the whole "Macross butchering" 10 years later with something like Sailor Moon, perhaps to much less warm of a reception.
Robotech raised the bar for American audiences' expectations of anime. It went from "hey this is something little Timmy can watch" to "15 year olds". An almost doubling of the intended age audience! Majestic achievement. Mr. Macek basically laid the ground work for American television showing things like Sailor Moon, which because of Robotech, were considered prime material for targeting the "teenage" audience. He did this by cutting up and stitching together three series about spaceships. So what.
I have no love for either Robotech or Macross, so I actually don't give a fuck about what happened between the two, I just know that Mr. Macek made an influential anime that changed the way American audiences and executives saw "Japanimation" and basically paved the way for modern form of "anime".
Robotech wasn't a show for kids which is important because everything before Robotech was literal children's shows.
Prosorusiya wrote:Not all anime fans in the mainstream audience are heterosexual white males who were preteens in the 1980s. Check that privilege, bro.
Astonishing. The only thing you got right is that I'm white and that's not even difficult considering 3/4ths of Americans are white.
e: Oh yeah and I have a dick I guess but that's not hard to guess either. How many people post on NSMRC who are female? You can count on one hand.
Prosorusiya wrote:that to me is a “bad” anime if there ever was one.
Does this mean that Metal Gear Solid is a bad video game? I guess it must! If the "creator" (Macek was more like the "facilitator" TBH; the "creator" was literally the "collective consciousness of the American public in the mid 1980s") is somewhat unpalatable to one person, it must make anything he touches "bad". That's not a valuable opinion or anything it's just a very basic bias.
Prosorusiya wrote:Now speaking artistically?
Is all you can speak about, TBH. Using the creator as a proxy for creation is the lowest of lows. Successful, smart people tend to be dicks. So what? You probably just don't understand what he was saying since the man had decades of experience in television and knew things you didn't, was probably annoyed at explaining, and maybe even tired since con question panels can be exhausting for the people who have to endure them. I'd be a dick too.
It reflects absolutely nothing on his work or his ability to accomplish things. Otherwise Amazon and Tesla Motors are absolutely unsuccessful, trash companies that did nothing relevant whatsoever.
Theodosiya wrote:It distracts from more important things...
Nothing is more important than waifus.