West Leas Oros wrote:You people are despicable.
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by Audioslavia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:54 pm
West Leas Oros wrote:You people are despicable.
by Lord Dominator » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:08 pm
by Ratateague » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:14 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Frankly, I'm opposed to Liberate KAISERREICH. This is primarily designed to make a point--this whole liberate to destroy thing is a slippery slope.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:34 pm
by United Massachusetts » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:53 pm
Ratateague wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:Frankly, I'm opposed to Liberate KAISERREICH. This is primarily designed to make a point--this whole liberate to destroy thing is a slippery slope.
Am I to understand this is a protest proposal, or are you fully committed to passing this should the other one reach quorum or pass?
by Norwegian Wood » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:12 pm
by West Leas Oros » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:15 pm
Norwegian Wood wrote:Full support. The players The Internationale has bred and the subculture present there is alarming to my sense of justice and of what is right in a community. The shortcomings of communists should not be overlooked simply because they fight against fascists.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.
by Norwegian Wood » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:17 pm
West Leas Oros wrote:Norwegian Wood wrote:Full support. The players The Internationale has bred and the subculture present there is alarming to my sense of justice and of what is right in a community. The shortcomings of communists should not be overlooked simply because they fight against fascists.
This quote is the best! Can I use it?
by The Stalker » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:19 pm
by Dobrobyt » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:34 pm
by Impaled Nazarene » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:56 am
Unsurprised that the present regime, whilst claiming to be democratic, has forcibly exiled countless individuals merely for raising opposition to communist rule, considering that the supression of free speech is a vital component of the communist ideology to which The Internationale's leadership subscribes,
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Burninati0n » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:15 am
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Unsurprised that the present regime, whilst claiming to be democratic, has forcibly exiled countless individuals merely for raising opposition to communist rule, considering that the supression of free speech is a vital component of the communist ideology to which The Internationale's leadership subscribes,
Oh nooo a leftist discussion region kicking out people who aren't leftists or espouse bigotry that is against the regional rules. What a crime. Even McCarthy would call this proposal a stretch.
Also remind me on what page of the Communist Manifesto or Conquest of Bread does it say kill all the jewish, disabled, and people of color?
United Massachusetts wrote:Annoyed that the Internationale retains a positive global image by masquerading as the leading force of anti-fascism across these nation-states, despite espousing an ideology that is not far removed from fascism in nature,
by Ratateague » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:33 am
Burninati0n wrote:Also, I should point out that really, our class-traitorous friend United Massachusetts ought really to be proposing a "liberate" for every member region of the NSLeft, since the meat of the proposal is aimed at activities of the Fleet, which is the military arm of the entire NSLeft, not TI.
The NSLeft Solidarity Pact, section III wrote:1. All member regions shall maintain peace with one another and shall resolve conflicts with other member regions through diplomacy.
2. Regional militaries and interregional military organizations associated with the NSLeft shall provide for the defense of member regions.
3. The NSLeft shall be a voluntary member of Antifa.
by Wrapper » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:36 am
by Kavagrad » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:05 am
Ratateague wrote:Burninati0n wrote:Also, I should point out that really, our class-traitorous friend United Massachusetts ought really to be proposing a "liberate" for every member region of the NSLeft, since the meat of the proposal is aimed at activities of the Fleet, which is the military arm of the entire NSLeft, not TI.
I acknowledge the point you are trying to make about unjustly conflating left-wing regions with voluntary Red Fleet members from those regions, yet I'd just like to clarify the content of the NSLeft Solidarity Pact, so no one gets the wrong idea.The NSLeft Solidarity Pact, section III wrote:1. All member regions shall maintain peace with one another and shall resolve conflicts with other member regions through diplomacy.
2. Regional militaries and interregional military organizations associated with the NSLeft shall provide for the defense of member regions.
3. The NSLeft shall be a voluntary member of Antifa.
Nowhere does it mention that member nations are mandated to join militaries, or that if they do, that it must be The Red Fleet, Antifa, etc. Only that existing regional or interregional militaries come to the defense of other regions should a situation arise. AFAIK, one doesn't even have to be a nation in NSLeft member regions to join The Red Fleet or Antifa, as long as they are vetted.
Anyway, this is the ongoing confusion that pervades the NS community, despite attempts at distinction. It would be a gross miscarriage of justice to liberate the wrong region because of a case of mistaken identity. Especially a region of over 500 members in which an estimated <5% participate in The Red Fleet.
by Burninati0n » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:53 pm
by United Massachusetts » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:39 pm
Burninati0n wrote:The only other comment I should make is this:United Massachusetts wrote:Annoyed that the Internationale retains a positive global image by masquerading as the leading force of anti-fascism across these nation-states, despite espousing an ideology that is not far removed from fascism in nature,
I am uncertain if this is an expression of UM's failure to comprehend fascism as an ideology or lack of knowledge about the ideology and community of TI. Fascism and Communism are similar only in that they both represent ideological movements that are alternatives to the liberal democratic status quo of the West. The actual contents of those alternatives, however, could not be more diametrically opposed. I can assure you that TI "espouses" none of the hatred-bred-in-fear of immigrants or minorities that has led fascism as a historical movement to commit attempted genocide, war crimes, and countless other crimes against humanity.
by United Massachusetts » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:44 pm
by Impaled Nazarene » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:56 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:
You see, communism is a fundamentally hateful ideology,
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Kavagrad » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:57 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:As for the choice to liberate TI, it's rather obvious--TI is the clear leader of the militant Left on NS (and home to all three Admirality Board members, I might add). Furthermore, it is founded on a hateful ideology; KAISERREICH merely habors it.
by Lenlyvit » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:01 pm
by United Massachusetts » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:01 pm
Kavagrad wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:As for the choice to liberate TI, it's rather obvious--TI is the clear leader of the militant Left on NS (and home to all three Admirality Board members, I might add). Furthermore, it is founded on a hateful ideology; KAISERREICH merely habors it.
Who did Marx advocate a genocide of? Please enlighten me, I must have missed that part of his works.
by United Massachusetts » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:03 pm
Proposals which are solely 'tit-for-tat' proposals (ie Condemns Nation X for Condemning Nation Y) will be deleted. However, if they have other substance to them besides the 'tit-for-tat' argument, they are unlikely to be deleted:
by Kavagrad » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:05 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Kavagrad wrote:Who did Marx advocate a genocide of? Please enlighten me, I must have missed that part of his works.
Somewhere, at least according to Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Kim Il-Sung, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh, and just about every other communist leader. You all seem to be intent on defending these lovely human beings, denying their atrocities, and then seeking to recreate them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_kill ... st_regimes
100,000,000 killed under the name of that "fiery red peace" that TRF so boldly advocated for.
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