Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Herskerstad]

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The Right Wing Discussion Thread
Part XI
It's Okay To Be Right

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"You have enemies? Good, that means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. . " - Winston Churchill

It is that time again where we cast off the shackles of monarchy, and let the lord protector establish his own dynasty. The stars stand aligned for yet another instalment of this thread, and what a journey we have ahead of us with equal amounts of fun and debate ahead of ourselves. While we can debate matters relating to economics, immigration, the present zeitgeist or enjoy just a little bit of cultural schadenfreude. Remember that the thread inhabits people of all sorts of persuasionsm and that victory as well as defeat in the present political winds should be handled gracefully on either side. We ask that you all follow the health and safety instructions of this thread and bantz at your own discretion.

Welcome all to the Right-Wing Discussion Thread (RWDT), a place where we discuss all matters appertaining to the right wing-spirit. This is the eleventh instalment of the thread making it NS's most beloved and controversial spots to engage in deep discussions that will no doubt bring fourth the fruits of wisdom and change your life. We ask the users to go by a dual-principle of being lenient towards the topic, but also understanding if things really get too off-topic and if necessary correct themselves. In particular, be cautious not to have too extended theological debates if it has little to do with the sphere of right wing policies in general. We thank you for your understanding.

Suggestions for improvements, changes, or additions is as always welcome.

Relevant subjects for discussion include:

• The politics, philosophies, and ideologies of the right.
• Right-wing perspectives on economics and political economy.
• News and history relevant to the political Right.
• Right-wing responses to current events.
• Right-wing perspectives on social and economic problems.
• Political, social, cultural, and economic problems and their solutions according to the political Right.
• The problems facing particular Right-wing movements or the political right in general, and how to resolve them.

Previous Iterations:
Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI
Part VII
Part VIII
Part IX
Part X
Poll History:

Poll 1: Is Cultural Marxism a Problem? (Jochistan) - 54% Voted Yes
Poll 2: Favourite Right-Wing Politicians? (Kauthar) - 25% voted Donald Trump
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Autocrats (Unnamed Island State) - 45% voted Vladamir Putin
Poll 4: Best Right-Wing Countries (Kauthar) - Putin's Russia 21%
Poll 5: Best Right-Wing Idealogue (Legitimists)

Poll 1: What Right-Wing Ideology do you adhere to? - 55 votes for Libertarian
Poll 2 Favourite Right-Wing Economic System - 31 votes for Neoliberalism
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator - 18 Votes Kai Shek and Pinochet
Poll 4: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator PART 2 - David Cameron 49%
Poll 5: Prominent Right-Wing NSers/Favourite Future Right-Wing Dictator - Old Tyrannia 39 votes/29%
Poll 6: Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictators - Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) 43 Votes/23%

Poll 0.1: Continue the Old Poll Y/N
Poll 1: Favourite Right-Wing Ideologies - Libertarianism/Minarchism

Poll 1: Favorite Centre-Right Parties - Republican Party (US) 39%
Poll 2: What should be the most important core value of a state ideology? Liberty 47%

Poll 1: Which piece of literature has been most significant to the development of right-wing ideology? - Reflections on the Revolution in France 68/237 (29%)
Poll 2: Favourite constitutional/government models? - US 166/528 (31%)

Poll 1: If you could reverse the outcomes of one of these events, which one would it be? - The Russian Revolution 116/343 (34%)
Poll 2: If you could ensure the survival of one empire at their height, which would it be? - The Roman Empire 119/495 (24%)

Do you drink alcohol and what's your opinion of it?
No, and I have a negative opinion of it. It should remain legal. - 57 (36%)
Total Votes: 157 (Recorded 09/01/2017)

Poll 1: Which of the following Trump picks are you most happy with? And are you overall satisfied with them? - James Norman Mattis 92/384 Terrible picks, what have we gotten ourselves into. 97/384
Poll 2: Is Islam compatible with western civilisation? No - 102/330. If reformed yes - 102/330
Poll 3: Which side, for the sake of mankind, should have won WW1? The Allied Powers - 225/385
Poll 4: Was the Reformation a good thing? Yes - 146/287

Poll 1: If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be? Treaty of Versailles - 365/564

Reading Suggestions:
If you’re looking to read something relevant to right-wing politics, consider reading some of the texts below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.

• ”Leviathan”
  — Thomas Hobbes. (Read Here)
  
• ”Two Treatises of Government”
  — John Locke. (Read Here)
  
• ”The Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.”
  — Max Weber.
  
• ”Reflections on the Revolution in France”
  — Edmund Burke. (Read Here)
  
• ”The Wealth Of Nations”
  — Adam Smith. (Read Here)
  
• ”Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions”
  — Joseph de Maistre. (Read Here)
  
• ”Rerum novarum”
  — Pope Leo XIII. (Read Here)
  
• ”The Crisis of the Modern World”
  — Rene Guenon. (Read Here)
  
• ”The Doctrine Of Fascism”
  — Benito Mussolini. (Read Here)
  
• ”The Conservative Mind”
  — Russell Kirk.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the RWDT. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Evola most of the jokes will go over a typical reader’s head. There’s also TEM’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from 4chan shitposting, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike the RWDT truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Aellex's existential catchphrase “Immigrants did it,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Jean Raspail’s French-language prophecy The Camp of the Saints. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Sir Edmond Burke’s genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a NationStates tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the mens’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

Hakons, Saius, and Herk are Armenians, loyal to tradition. Not defensive, but diplomatic; pragmatic but principled, existing within the shadows of others, but also enduring independent of and beyond the rise and fall of those whose shadows they share. Absolutely not to be trusted.

UMN is Persian, loyal to his masters. Yearns to be in the shadow of power and greatness, but will not accept the shadow of those outside his race. Not to be trusted.

Aillyria is Germanic. Loyal to her own virtues. Strives for power not for its own sake, but to see the world cut up where it rots, and damn the consequences. Not to be trusted^^Teutoberg

Geni and Therm are Roman, loyal to abstractions (Republicanism for oneself, SPQR, law* or at least legalistic motions, etc). Imperialist and hegemonic, culturally chauvinist and assimilationist. To be trusted. To stab you in the toga.
*well, Roman law, at least. Is there some other form of law?

Benuty is Egyptian, loyal to the capriciousness of divinity, bridging a gap between spirituality and madness. Not to be trusted.

WRA is Scythian. Loyal to his F R E E D O M. Not to be trusted.

ND is Carthaginian, loyal to himself and his peers, in that order. If you trust him, omae wa mou shindeiru.

TLT/Felrik are Axumite, loyal to their peers and themselves, in that order. Not to be trusted.

What about me, CM?

IUDEAN

Greek, Communally loyal, learned and proud. Beware when bearing gifts. Not to be trusted.

I do hope you realise that you're going to have to do everyone now.

Clearly you're one of the Celts. Loyal to institutions rooted in tradition and loyal to that tradition which will bring forth new institutions should the old fall. Too trustworthy; not to be trusted.

Lumi's probably a Celt too.

If you’re interested in discussing matters relating to the political left, then the gulag train leaves here - Left-Wing Discussion Thread.

[Hakons]

Raised right

My parents are actually straight ticket Democrats, please help

[FelrikTheDeleted]

First Second post is mine. New thread smells good.

EDIT: DAMNIT

[Proctopeo]

Ah, new threads. Always fun.

[The East Marches II]

Karl Rove is proof that every day we stray further from God's light.

[Hakons]

In particular, be cautious not to have too extended theological debates if it has little to do with the sphere of right wing policies in general. We thank you for your understanding.

I can already feel the persecution

[Herskerstad]

Also, a tribute to some of our posters.

[The Liberated Territories]

3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.

I think without state intervention, this model would come out on top. All our current problems with assimilation go back to the central planners initiatives to ghettoize incoming immigrants.

[Northern Davincia]

Also, a tribute to some of our posters.

(Image)

I'm pretty sure TEM is the Major from Hellsing.
Either that or Tanya von Degurechaff :^)

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Also, a tribute to some of our posters.

(Image)

I'm pretty sure TEM is the Major from Hellsing.
Either that or Tanya von Degurechaff :^)

Isn’t Tanya Mef?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Would y'all consider Islamism to be right-wing or an ideology that doesn't fit into the left-right political spectrum?

[Herskerstad]

Also, a tribute to some of our posters.

(Image)

I'm pretty sure TEM is the Major from Hellsing.
Either that or Tanya von Degurechaff :^)

Only one that 100% fits the character is Aellex's Griffith.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Also, a tribute to some of our posters.

(Image)

First of all, why am I Gendo, secondly, TEM is the Turkish Bey from Lawrence of Arabia.

[Northern Davincia]

Would y'all consider Islamism to be right-wing or an ideology that doesn't fit into the left-right political spectrum?

Third Way or leftist.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Would y'all consider Islamism to be right-wing or an ideology that doesn't fit into the left-right political spectrum?

Definitely Right Wing.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Would y'all consider Islamism to be right-wing or an ideology that doesn't fit into the left-right political spectrum?

Definitely Right Wing.

Welp, I guess that means I'm welcome here

Would y'all consider Islamism to be right-wing or an ideology that doesn't fit into the left-right political spectrum?

Third Way or leftist.

Leftist? How?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Would y'all consider Islamism to be right-wing or an ideology that doesn't fit into the left-right political spectrum?

Third Way or leftist.

>Islamism
>Leftist
that's a hot take there, fam

[Luminesa]

HERK.

ADD CHESTERTON’S “ORTHODOXY”, SON.

IT IS RIGHT-WING AND AWESOME.

THAT IS ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED.

(For a category, it would be somewhere between religion and philosophy.)

[Herskerstad]

Would y'all consider Islamism to be right-wing or an ideology that doesn't fit into the left-right political spectrum?

Think it's so backwards that the only place it fits is the historical garbage dump.

[Northern Davincia]

Third Way or leftist.

Leftist? How?

I'm largely kidding about the leftist part. What are Islamism's economic stances?

[Luminesa]

Also, a tribute to some of our posters.

(Image)

First of all, why am I Gendo, secondly, TEM is the Turkish Bey from Lawrence of Arabia.

Felrik got literally the worst person on the list. At least Kyuubey is kinda cute and fluffy.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Leftist? How?

I'm largely kidding about the leftist part. What are Islamism's economic stances?

Idk, that entirely depends on the Muslim you ask tbh.
But basically, the economy should be run based on Islamic values. So no haram businesses or haram forms of making money.
I read a good article comparing Islamic economics to capitalism and socialism: https://www.scribd.com/doc/27776957/Isl ... -Socialism
And here's an article that goes through the gist of what the ideal Islamic economy should be: https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/ ... am-part-1/

[FelrikTheDeleted]

First of all, why am I Gendo, secondly, TEM is the Turkish Bey from Lawrence of Arabia.

Felrik got literally the worst person on the list. At least Kyuubey is kinda cute and fluffy.

Shou Tucker was in the right. What he did was for science and the advancement of his field. Nothing wrong was committed. :^)

[United Muscovite Nations]

Felrik got literally the worst person on the list. At least Kyuubey is kinda cute and fluffy.

Shout was in the right. What he did was for science. Nothing wrong was committed. :^)

Elric brothers broke the NAP, children and wives are property!

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Shout was in the right. What he did was for science. Nothing wrong was committed. :^)

Elric brothers broke the NAP, children and wives are property!

^This dude gets it.