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What form of Anti Capitalist economic system do you support? (More than one poll option)

State/Central Planning (Socialism)
39
14%
Decentralised Planning (Socialism)
35
13%
Market Socialism
39
14%
Mutualism (Anarchist Market Socialism)
22
8%
Syndicalism (Anarchist or state based)
46
17%
Higher Stage Communism
24
9%
Distributism
20
7%
Other (Please State)
24
9%
Marxist-Leninist-Obamaism
14
5%
Primitivism
6
2%
 
Total votes : 269

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:14 pm

New Emeline wrote:Off topic, but this is probably the stupidest winky face ever ;) just look at it, that looks more like constipation than anything.

:evil: :mad:
Those two look much more constipated.

To keep us on topic, ey, how about those libertarians? Evil, aren't they?
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Xianina
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Postby Xianina » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:39 pm

everything but communism is evil comrade

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:48 pm

Xianina wrote:everything but communism is evil comrade


Let's not stab our fellow leftist comrades in the back now.
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Xianina
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Postby Xianina » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:50 pm

k

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Postby New Emeline » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:51 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Xianina wrote:everything but communism is evil comrade


Let's not stab our fellow leftist comrades in the back now.

Agree.

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Xianina
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Postby Xianina » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:56 pm

i said sure whatever

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:44 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Off topic, but this is probably the stupidest winky face ever ;) just look at it, that looks more like constipation than anything.

:evil: :mad:
Those two look much more constipated.

To keep us on topic, ey, how about those libertarians? Evil, aren't they?


Nothing wrong with gay married couples defending their poppy opium fields that employ children paid sub-living with machine guns, tanks, ICBMs and kinetic strikes :D Let's not forget about the McRecreational NukesTM used to bomb the fuck out of rightfully bought private property.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:05 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Cekoviu wrote: :evil: :mad:
Those two look much more constipated.

To keep us on topic, ey, how about those libertarians? Evil, aren't they?


Nothing wrong with gay married couples defending their poppy opium fields that employ children paid sub-living with machine guns, tanks, ICBMs and kinetic strikes :D Let's not forget about the McRecreational NukesTM used to bomb the fuck out of rightfully bought private property.

It blows my mind that libertarians know that this is what their ideology will cause, yet still support it.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:06 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
Nothing wrong with gay married couples defending their poppy opium fields that employ children paid sub-living with machine guns, tanks, ICBMs and kinetic strikes :D Let's not forget about the McRecreational NukesTM used to bomb the fuck out of rightfully bought private property.

It blows my mind that libertarians know that this is what their ideology will cause, yet still support it.


That's to be debated on the wing of ancaps, I'm living on the safe heaven of classical liberalism.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:26 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
Nothing wrong with gay married couples defending their poppy opium fields that employ children paid sub-living with machine guns, tanks, ICBMs and kinetic strikes :D Let's not forget about the McRecreational NukesTM used to bomb the fuck out of rightfully bought private property.

It blows my mind that libertarians know that this is what their ideology will cause, yet still support it.

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Postby UniversalCommons » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:29 am

I'm living in an automated future where I don't work if I don't want to, but find myself bored so i work even harder to keep myself entertained. Social pressure works better than government intervention.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:41 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It blows my mind that libertarians know that this is what their ideology will cause, yet still support it.


That's to be debated on the wing of ancaps, I'm living on the safe heaven of classical liberalism.

Slightly better, but still.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:39 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Xianina wrote:everything but communism is evil comrade


Let's not stab our fellow leftist comrades in the back now.


I dunno, this statement holds some merit IMO.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:41 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Let's not stab our fellow leftist comrades in the back now.


I dunno, this statement holds some merit IMO.


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Postby Xianina » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:43 pm

message from fellow comrade

dont let anyone or anything stop you being a comrade especially those darn capitalists there is nothing wrong with communism if anything its capitalism

to any fellow comrade

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:55 pm

Xianina wrote:message from fellow comrade

dont let anyone or anything stop you being a comrade especially those darn capitalists there is nothing wrong with communism if anything its capitalism

to any fellow comrade

Thanks, you're really enriching this thread.
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Postby Xianina » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:56 pm

just helping my fellow comrades
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Postby Vyzhva » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:53 am

Xianina wrote:everything but communism is evil comrade

distributism is more of my preference, but ok
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Postby Nevertopia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:42 pm

Ive always felt like seizing the means of production was just a long way of saying you want private enterprise.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:44 pm

Nevertopia wrote:Ive always felt like seizing the means of production was just a long way of saying you want private enterprise.


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Postby The Remote Islands » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:26 am

I kinda want to congratulate you on a dank-ass necro but I think that would get me in trouble lol

Hm, something on-topic...I'm closest to a social democrat, which isn't really anti-capitalist. Really I see reform within capitalist society as the best path forward, since that capitalist society is not only global, but very resilient. Any revolution that would topple that would cause a lot of destruction and suffering, and given how countries like the USSR and Maoist China turned out, I don't think I could support such a thing in good faith. Not entirely sure I belong here, to be honest! I really love that M-L-Obamaism is a poll option though. Uphold Obamaist thought, comrades.
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Postby Nuroblav » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:29 am

For the poll, is 'higher-stage communism' just the second stage of communism or am I confused? Don't forget to share your toothbrushes comrades!
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Postby Mirjt » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:13 pm

I consider all the various forms of non-capitalist economies and societies to be positive and their proponents to be comrades, I do realize that each different version has its own pros and cons however.

I think we should start off with a mixed market socialist economy with democratic local planning and centralized indicative planning, and see what happens and then make adjustments as needed then. I think we can pull ideas to tweak the system from mutualism, georgism, participatory economics, etc...

I am not sure if distributism counts as anti-capitalist or not though, because they seek to preserve private property, they just want that private property to be as widely spread among the population as possible and to prevent the excessive accumulation of wealth and ensuring that everyone is cared for. They are a lot like Social Democrats. Regardless, I still consider Social Democrats and Distributists to be allies to the left, even though they are moderate ideologies, and if we allow any private property to exist in a limited form then I think the models proposed by distributism and social democracy are useful.
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