Anti Capitalist Discussion Thread I: Seize the toothbrushes!

[New Emeline]

In fact capitalism under a strong rule of law is uniquely equipped to handle such problems. Where you see the most pollution occur, in the oceans for example, is due to the lack of property rights.

And the lack of a thoroughly destroyed environment in the United States is because of property rights and not Teddy Roosevelt's environmental policies protecting most of the land, amirite? :^)

A lot of capitalists genuinely want national parks to be privatized so....
(Edit: for clarification, I am most definitely NOT in favor of that)

[West Leas Oros]

And the lack of a thoroughly destroyed environment in the United States is because of property rights and not Teddy Roosevelt's environmental policies protecting most of the land, amirite? :^)

A lot of capitalists genuinely want national parks to be privatized so....

They wouldn't be "national" parks if they were privatized... and why would you privatize land if you weren't going to develop it?

[New Emeline]

A lot of capitalists genuinely want national parks to be privatized so....

They wouldn't be "national" parks if they were privatized... and why would you privatize land if you weren't going to develop it?

Some of them don't care if they get bulldozed.

[Torrocca]

And the lack of a thoroughly destroyed environment in the United States is because of property rights and not Teddy Roosevelt's environmental policies protecting most of the land, amirite? :^)

A lot of capitalists genuinely want national parks to be privatized so....
(Edit: for clarification, I am most definitely NOT in favor of that)

Which is stupid, obviously. The national park system is bae, thanks daddy Roosevelt <3

[New Emeline]

A lot of capitalists genuinely want national parks to be privatized so....
(Edit: for clarification, I am most definitely NOT in favor of that)

Which is stupid, obviously. The national park system is bae, thanks daddy Roosevelt <3

What do you mean it's stupid? Who cares about all those dumb animals and stupid pristine mountain ranges? /s

[Northern Davincia]

All that you mention are failures of the court system, not "capitalism."

In fact capitalism under a strong rule of law is uniquely equipped to handle such problems. Where you see the most pollution occur, in the oceans for example, is due to the lack of property rights.

On the other hand, the Soviet Union's attempt at central planning completely dried up the Aral Sea.

Pollution is due to lack of property rights? That's a new one...

Yes, actually.

[New Emeline]

Pollution is due to lack of property rights? That's a new one...

Yes, actually.

And what if I want to pollute on my property and it just so happens to leach into everyone else's?

[Irona]

Pollution is due to lack of property rights? That's a new one...

Yes, actually.

Polluters should be responsible for their pollution. They own it. So they should pay for the damage it causes.

[Torrocca]

Which is stupid, obviously. The national park system is bae, thanks daddy Roosevelt <3

What do you mean it's stupid? Who cares about all those dumb animals and stupid pristine mountain ranges? /s

A truer man than any of us can ever aspire to be, that's who cares. <3

[New Emeline]

What do you mean it's stupid? Who cares about all those dumb animals and stupid pristine mountain ranges? /s

A truer man than any of us can ever aspire to be, that's who cares. <3

Oh, I know. I was being sarcastic don't worry. Gotta love ol' Teddy. (At least for that)

[Torrocca]

A truer man than any of us can ever aspire to be, that's who cares. <3

Oh, I know. I was being sarcastic don't worry. Gotta love ol' Teddy. (At least for that)

I know

Can't let anyone disparage ol' Teddy's good nature-lovin' name though... :^)

[Northern Davincia]

Yes, actually.

And what if I want to pollute on my property and it just so happens to leach into everyone else's?

That would be a violation and ought to be punished.

Yes, actually.

Polluters should be responsible for their pollution. They own it. So they should pay for the damage it causes.

Exactly.

[USS Monitor]

It makes sense to think a socialist wouldn't be in an anti-capitalist thread........

Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.

*** 1 day ban for flaming ***

[Cekoviu]

Pollution is due to lack of property rights? That's a new one...

Yes, actually.

I refuse to visit that website. If my ISP saw me browsing it, I'd be so embarrassed.

[Dejanic]

It makes sense to think a socialist wouldn't be in an anti-capitalist thread........

Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

Have you ever said anything productive? Every post you make you're bashing the Left or Socialism in some shape or form.

[Aillyria]

Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

Have you ever said anything productive? Every post you make you're bashing the Left or Socialism in some shape or form.

He's bringing his grudge against me from the LWTD here. He's vehemently against revolution as a valid manner of achieving socialism, he believes parliamentary methods are the only way to do it.

[Cekoviu]

Have you ever said anything productive? Every post you make you're bashing the Left or Socialism in some shape or form.

He's bringing his grudge against me from the LWTD here. He's vehemently against revolution as a valid manner of achieving socialism, he believes parliamentary methods are the only way to do it.

Because God forbid we try to fix things without murdering people.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Have you ever said anything productive? Every post you make you're bashing the Left or Socialism in some shape or form.

He's bringing his grudge against me from the LWTD here. He's vehemently against revolution as a valid manner of achieving socialism, he believes parliamentary methods are the only way to do it.

To be fair, you did advocate the murder of children.

[Cekoviu]

He's bringing his grudge against me from the LWTD here. He's vehemently against revolution as a valid manner of achieving socialism, he believes parliamentary methods are the only way to do it.

To be fair, you did advocate the murder of children.

Am I missing something here?

[Dejanic]

He's bringing his grudge against me from the LWTD here. He's vehemently against revolution as a valid manner of achieving socialism, he believes parliamentary methods are the only way to do it.

Because God forbid we try to fix things without murdering people.

You don't know what "revolution" means.

A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in political power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time when the population rises up in revolt against the current authorities.

Please explain thoroughly, with appropriate citations and references, how this automatically involves "murdering people", along with your definition of murder.

[Cekoviu]

Because God forbid we try to fix things without murdering people.

You don't know what "revolution" means.

A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in political power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time when the population rises up in revolt against the current authorities.

Please explain thoroughly, with appropriate citations and references, how this automatically involves "murdering people", along with your definition of murder.

Ailyria has explicitly argued with West Leas Oros, saying that a violent (and presumably murderous) revolution is necessary. Not every leftist's idea of a revolution is the same; I am specifically addressing Ailyria's beliefs.

[United Muscovite Nations]

To be fair, you did advocate the murder of children.

Am I missing something here?

That's flipping stupid, what's a child going to do by themselves?

They'll grow up to become a counterrevolutionary. Allowing them to live is a liability.

[Dejanic]

You don't know what "revolution" means.



Please explain thoroughly, with appropriate citations and references, how this automatically involves "murdering people", along with your definition of murder.

Ailyria has explicitly argued with West Leas Oros, saying that a violent (and presumably murderous) revolution is necessary. Not every leftist's idea of a revolution is the same; I am specifically addressing Ailyria's beliefs.

Got a quote? Evidence?

[Cekoviu]

Am I missing something here?

They'll grow up to become a counterrevolutionary. Allowing them to live is a liability.

Ah, I see.
Dejanic, note this as well.

[Cekoviu]

Ailyria has explicitly argued with West Leas Oros, saying that a violent (and presumably murderous) revolution is necessary. Not every leftist's idea of a revolution is the same; I am specifically addressing Ailyria's beliefs.

Got a quote? Evidence?

Uhh, I'll have to dig through the last 10 or so pages of the LWDT.
Just look at the quote UMN just posted, that should be sufficient.