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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:16 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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MD is strict and guess what we have not had any massive shootings (more then like 4 or 5 killed/wounded) since we banned Assault weapons in 2013. The SCOTUS knows its working so they have refused to over turn it.

For the last time that’s not what they did. They declined to hear the case at that moment. They didn’t refuse to hear it and they left it open to hear the case again at a later date.

Also you are fudging the numbers to make yourself look good. The FBI states that a mass shooting is 3 victims. Therefore there has been several mass shootings in Maryland since 2013

They just had one a couple months ago.

And - surprise, surprise - no "assault weapon" was used.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:17 am

Ors Might wrote:
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I have litterally wanted alcohol and cigs banned for the longest time. You know there is a think called moving the whole family out of bad areas. I have moved over 6 times and we are not that rich so its doable. Note I have never been in a bad area but I know that if the place I lived because infested with violence and I had a family I would move out ASAP

Never lived in bad areas but still perfectly willing to make judgements on those areas and the people who live in them.


A parent that truly wants to take care of their children/family will find a way to leave places where shootings happen almost every day.

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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:17 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:For the last time that’s not what they did. They declined to hear the case at that moment. They didn’t refuse to hear it and they left it open to hear the case again at a later date.

Also you are fudging the numbers to make yourself look good. The FBI states that a mass shooting is 3 victims. Therefore there has been several mass shootings in Maryland since 2013

They just had one a couple months ago.

And - surprise, surprise - no "assault weapon" was used.

But muh gun control!

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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:18 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Never lived in bad areas but still perfectly willing to make judgements on those areas and the people who live in them.


A parent that truly wants to take care of their children/family will find a way to leave places where shootings happen almost every day.

What if they can't though?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:18 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Never lived in bad areas but still perfectly willing to make judgements on those areas and the people who live in them.


A parent that truly wants to take care of their children/family will find a way to leave places where shootings happen almost every day.


Not everyone grew up rich like you in Goochland Keshi, people who have been in poverty for 50 years can't just leave.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:18 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Never lived in bad areas but still perfectly willing to make judgements on those areas and the people who live in them.


A parent that truly wants to take care of their children/family will find a way to leave places where shootings happen almost every day.

Yes yes please tell us about how it’s the fault of the impoverished that they’re poor and dying.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:18 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:People need to relies that we are only at year 10 of guns being recognized as an individual right federally. The 08 decision by the SCOTUS was the 1st time that they required states to grant gun rights to its citizens.

So im sure it will not even last 25 years before its over turned and guns go back to being up to the states.

The underlined is completely wrong and as such it shows your complete ignorance on your part and shows complete ignorance of United States history.
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Postby Manokan Republic » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:19 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I didnt vote for Trump wrote:So what do you focus on? What's your step by step plan to reduce spree shootings in the US or are you just satisfied with it being an intrinsic part of American culture? What have you looked into about restrictions on guns that makes you think with such conviction that it just won't work?


I focus on gun safety and training, as well as behavioral problems in regard of gun owners.

Reducing spree shootings would be reduced if we had people get a year of service in the US reserves or another military branch that disciplines people in the use of a gun, among other things taught in the military. Also, psychological help for the people who suffer from mental issues. And help the ghettos get better and prevent drug abuse through campaigns that don't necessarily antagonize drug users but rather help their communities as a whole to recover.

But of course you won't do that, because you just admitted you don't care as long as it's not your cozy school being targeted, so I don't even know why I bothered in putting forth a serious reply.

Well I'm not opposed to training people how to use guns better as accidental deaths are more common than deaths by mass murders, training mass murders how to kill people better would probably make deaths from mass murders go up. The Orlando shooting, the case where the guy was a security guard with tons of training, resulted in a lot more deaths than other shootings, as did many other mass shootings where the people were trained, researched stuff online first or simply practiced a lot. The vegas shooter had thousands of rounds and apparently practiced hours a week for years, which made him a better shot, on top of all the research he did. Better training will likely result in more deaths in a mass shootings, which ironically it wouldn't have much of an impact or would be slightly positive in reducing deaths in all other types of murders (for example an armed robber is less likely to kill someone if he's not as panicky on the trigger, or an accidental shooting is less likely to happen etc.). Criminals often just want money and not to kill people, and most manslaughter cases involve someone killing someone because they panicked during a mugging or accidentally pulled the trigger rather than wanting to kill the other person, per say, so better training could actually help prevent them from making that mistake unless they wanted to deliberately kill someone.

That being said, drug abuse, mental health and the ghettos are a good focus period, and might not only lower crime but things like suicide deaths, drug overdose deaths and other problems stemming from poverty and mental health issues in general, as well as drugs. Cigarettes kill 500,000 people a year and the opioid epidemic is like 80,000 a year. These two problems alone will save more lives than guns and suicides combined, of which 90% of suicidal people have mental health issues and that's 30,000 people a year, far more than murder periods, let alone murders with guns.
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Postby Manokan Republic » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:23 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
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People don't choose to be poor and live in bad cities. >.>

They're born there, most of the time and can't get out, or refuse to leave their families behind if they can. You don't choose to be a victim. This is liberal elitism at it's worst.


Also while you are right in that these few cities have most of the crime, it's more like 10% of the cities have 40% of the violent crimes, rather than 99%. As well it's an irrational fear to be afraid of mass shootings over normal murders, as even in these "safe cities" mass shootings are so statistically rare you are definitely more likely to be killed in a normal murder. You are literally more likely to be struck by lightning, as in according to the most extreme estimates, there are about 300 mass shootings a year that kill about 1.6 and injure 5 people, and 500 lightning strikes. Only about 78 mass shootings between 1983 and 2012 killed over 4 people (Page 2), so less than 1% are the mass shooting that kill lots of people. By this figure of mass shooting, that is kill 4 or more people, the figure is that about 2.5 a year occur, so the chances of a true mass murder killing you is even less.

Then we have to talk about cigarettes, which killed 500,000 people a year, and alcohol which causes drunk driving accidents which kills thousands of people, far more people than guns, let alone mass murders, and other drugs and whatnot. Why the focus on one extremely unlikely cause of death when the money could be better spent on other things, even regular murders?


I have litterally wanted alcohol and cigs banned for the longest time. You know there is a think called moving the whole family out of bad areas. I have moved over 6 times and we are not that rich so its doable. Note I have never been in a bad area but I know that if the place I lived because infested with violence and I had a family I would move out ASAP

Many people don't have the money to do this. I'm all for helping the poor and rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure, but to blame the victims is insane. Plus many don't want to leave their families behind only to help themselves, as in their extended families, like their grandparents and cousins and whatnot. It's a community and even the rich don't want to live there.

And to place the value of rich people's lives over poor people's lives is just insane. And on top of that, there's still no proof that gun control would definitely stop mass shootings, let alone mass murders of other types that might replace them. So what now?

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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:25 am

Wysten wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
A parent that truly wants to take care of their children/family will find a way to leave places where shootings happen almost every day.

What if they can't though?


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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:25 am

Topoliani wrote:
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Only mass killers want unlimited ammo.

I want unlimited ammo, but that's because I don't want to pay for ammo because Houston is fucking expensive and is draining me of my money.

The thing is, there is no such thing as unlimited ammo except for in video games.

Move to College Station then mate lower cost then Houston and far less crimes :p
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:26 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Wysten wrote:What if they can't though?


Surely they can find a job as a full time maid for some rich person for a place to stay in the mansion humiliating yes worth it yes


Not all of us grew up around mansions Keshi
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:26 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Wysten wrote:What if they can't though?


Surely they can find a job as a full time maid for some rich person for a place to stay in the mansion humiliating yes worth it yes

If they live in a shitty neighborhood, why would there be any rich people near them?

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:31 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Wysten wrote:What if they can't though?


Surely they can find a job as a full time maid for some rich person for a place to stay in the mansion humiliating yes worth it yes

Let's see you know jack shit about guns, politics, now economics maybe you should just stop and go back to school.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:31 am

Ors Might wrote:
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Surely they can find a job as a full time maid for some rich person for a place to stay in the mansion humiliating yes worth it yes

If they live in a shitty neighborhood, why would there be any rich people near them?


Cregs list is a thing. Go find a job that no one would ever want to do that has openings. Its called throwing away pride and helping your family.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:32 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Wysten wrote:What if they can't though?


Surely they can find a job as a full time maid for some rich person for a place to stay in the mansion humiliating yes worth it yes

In other words, slavery.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:33 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:If they live in a shitty neighborhood, why would there be any rich people near them?


Cregs list is a thing. Go find a job that no one would ever want to do that has openings. Its called throwing away pride and helping your family.

Craigslist is a thing but Cregs List is not learn to spell
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:33 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:If they live in a shitty neighborhood, why would there be any rich people near them?


Cregs list is a thing. Go find a job that no one would ever want to do that has openings. Its called throwing away pride and helping your family.

They’re poor, genius. How the hell do you expect them to make it there everyday on pay that’ll likely won’t be shit.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:34 am

Ors Might wrote:
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Cregs list is a thing. Go find a job that no one would ever want to do that has openings. Its called throwing away pride and helping your family.

They’re poor, genius. How the hell do you expect them to make it there everyday on pay that’ll likely won’t be shit.

Maybe Massa will give them a cabin on the grounds...
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:35 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:If they live in a shitty neighborhood, why would there be any rich people near them?


Cregs list is a thing. Go find a job that no one would ever want to do that has openings. Its called throwing away pride and helping your family.


How about we save everyone time and just throw away anything that comes from you as a stupid fucking idea instead Keshi?

Anyway.... Anyone else see that Sen Frankenstein is proposing raising the age for longarm purchase in response to this? Would post link but on my phone atm.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:43 am

Ors Might wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
Cregs list is a thing. Go find a job that no one would ever want to do that has openings. Its called throwing away pride and helping your family.

They’re poor, genius. How the hell do you expect them to make it there everyday on pay that’ll likely won’t be shit.


By moving. Even if they have to stay in a ducking motel!

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Postby Manokan Republic » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:55 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:They’re poor, genius. How the hell do you expect them to make it there everyday on pay that’ll likely won’t be shit.


By moving. Even if they have to stay in a ducking motel!


Motels cost more per night than an apartment. >.>

I guess you would know that if you knew anything about poverty. ANYWAYS.

It's not really a solution just to tell people to move, or else these cities wouldn't exist in the first place. And murders by other causes are still more common than mass shootings in good areas. So what now?

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:00 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Never lived in bad areas but still perfectly willing to make judgements on those areas and the people who live in them.


A parent that truly wants to take care of their children/family will find a way to leave places where shootings happen almost every day.

Pfft, not me. I scan the area for possible places that have shootings that frequently happen, so we can all have that experience of being in a live action movie with shoot outs and I use it as a teaching aid to my kids on what to do and what not to do during a shoot out to stay alive and put down as many tangos in the shortest amount of time, then use their CIA craft to disappear into thin air before the police show up. Great times, great times.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:24 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
A parent that truly wants to take care of their children/family will find a way to leave places where shootings happen almost every day.

Pfft, not me. I scan the area for possible places that have shootings that frequently happen, so we can all have that experience of being in a live action movie with shoot outs and I use it as a teaching aid to my kids on what to do and what not to do during a shoot out to stay alive and put down as many tangos in the shortest amount of time, then use their CIA craft to disappear into thin air before the police show up. Great times, great times.

He also forgets shootings happen everywhere including his precious Canada and Europe.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:37 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Pfft, not me. I scan the area for possible places that have shootings that frequently happen, so we can all have that experience of being in a live action movie with shoot outs and I use it as a teaching aid to my kids on what to do and what not to do during a shoot out to stay alive and put down as many tangos in the shortest amount of time, then use their CIA craft to disappear into thin air before the police show up. Great times, great times.

He also forgets shootings happen everywhere including his precious Canada and Europe.

Nah, he blocks those out as mere mistakes and pretends they didn't happen in his rose colored utopia.
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