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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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22%
Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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6%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
187
26%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
287
40%
JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:21 am

I didnt vote for Trump wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah why would proponents for self defense care about people being killed :roll:

Lmao

The only time you pay attention to the homicide rate is when you google it so you can argue on nationstates.

Yes, yes. And all gun owners Christian their guns in the blood of the innocent blah blah.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:21 am

Ors Might wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Nah man I’m just a gun owner totally incapable of human feelings like sympathy or empathy don’t mind me.

Hey you busy tonight? It’s my turn to wrangle up some orphans for target practice at the range. Really been needing to test out my new heat seeking infinite ammunition

Haha look at this noob. He uses orphans and not sweet old ladies and heat seeking exploding incendiary infinite ammo
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Postby Topoliani » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:22 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Sovaal wrote:You know the best side dish for all those numbers you have there?

Sources.

And don’t act like you give a shit about “99%” of America.


I do care about the 99% but you know I feel sad and agree for these kids being killed in school but in this Florida case I can't help but think that many of those parents supported the republican party's refusal to do anything on guns until it was their child dead. Those kids were let down by the poor decisions of the adults in voting.

In fact, 70 percent of the counties had only 4 percent of the murders

Would you like to note that most are in California and Illinois, where the Gun Control laws are some of the most strict?
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:22 am

Topoliani wrote:Daily reminder that mass shootings happen on both sides of the gun control spectrum. There are a lot in Texas, and there are a lot in California.

I’m going to put forth that out entire society is to blame, not just one aspect like guns or video games or some shit. Or that a lack of prayer in schools does this shit either.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:22 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Hey you busy tonight? It’s my turn to wrangle up some orphans for target practice at the range. Really been needing to test out my new heat seeking infinite ammunition

Haha look at this noob. He uses orphans and not sweet old ladies and heat seeking exploding incendiary infinite ammo

You’re calling me a noob but who uses smaller, faster moving targets? :p
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Postby Kernen » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:23 am

Sovaal wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Daily reminder that mass shootings happen on both sides of the gun control spectrum. There are a lot in Texas, and there are a lot in California.

I’m going to put forth that out entire society is to blame, not just one aspect like guns or video games or some shit. Or that a lack of prayer in schools does this shit either.

^^^

There are so many factors to this, it bamboozles the mind.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:24 am

Topoliani wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
I do care about the 99% but you know I feel sad and agree for these kids being killed in school but in this Florida case I can't help but think that many of those parents supported the republican party's refusal to do anything on guns until it was their child dead. Those kids were let down by the poor decisions of the adults in voting.

In fact, 70 percent of the counties had only 4 percent of the murders

Would you like to note that some are in California and Michigan, where the Gun Control laws are some of the most strict?


Michigan is not strict. I have to hear are stupid neighbours shooting deer and rabbits all the damn time.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:24 am

Ors Might wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Haha look at this noob. He uses orphans and not sweet old ladies and heat seeking exploding incendiary infinite ammo

You’re calling me a noob but who uses smaller, faster moving targets? :p

Ya but you’re not being villainy enough. Everyone knows that the best villains go after sweet old ladies
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Postby Kernen » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:25 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Would you like to note that some are in California and Michigan, where the Gun Control laws are some of the most strict?


Michigan is not strict. I have to hear are stupid neighbours shooting dear and rabbits all the damn time.


Restrictions =/= total ban. Try again, kiddo.
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Postby I didnt vote for Trump » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:25 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I didnt vote for Trump wrote:Oh, so now you want to talk about random acts of violence.


No, you don't.


I thought you wanted gun control measures to save lives?

Also, apparently you seem to think you know me. I will repeat: focusing on the gun is pointless. You're not going to stop people killing people by banning the guns, or making restrictions that apply to the guns.

So what do you focus on? What's your step by step plan to reduce spree shootings in the US or are you just satisfied with it being an intrinsic part of American culture? What have you looked into about restrictions on guns that makes you think with such conviction that it just won't work?

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I didnt vote for Trump wrote:Lmao

The only time you pay attention to the homicide rate is when you google it so you can argue on nationstates.


I actually read the Unified Crime Reports yearly. What do you do, Mr. Gun Control?

Admit that I don't care about 99% of gun deaths because they don't relate to me in any realistic way. Honesty is a virtue after all.

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Postby Sovaal » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:25 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Would you like to note that some are in California and Michigan, where the Gun Control laws are some of the most strict?


Michigan is not strict. I have to hear are stupid neighbours shooting deer and rabbits all the damn time.

Than get the NFA repealed so they can get a silencer.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:26 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Would you like to note that some are in California and Michigan, where the Gun Control laws are some of the most strict?


Michigan is not strict. I have to hear are stupid neighbours shooting deer and rabbits all the damn time.

You mean deer right? And that’s called hunting. Something that even CA allows
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:26 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You’re calling me a noob but who uses smaller, faster moving targets? :p

Ya but you’re not being villainy enough. Everyone knows that the best villains go after sweet old ladies

Nah man. You gotta triple murder those orphans to double death. Gotta keep any heroes from coming along to put an end to our Slaving Gun Empire
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Postby Topoliani » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:26 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Would you like to note that some are in California and Michigan, where the Gun Control laws are some of the most strict?


Michigan is not strict. I have to hear are stupid neighbours shooting deer and rabbits all the damn time.

I meant Illinois...

Also, I thought you lived in the richest county in Maryland?
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:26 am

Kernen wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
Michigan is not strict. I have to hear are stupid neighbours shooting dear and rabbits all the damn time.


Michigan gun laws are strict, but they don't have a total ban. Try again, kiddo.


MD is strict and guess what we have not had any massive shootings (more then like 4 or 5 killed/wounded) since we banned Assault weapons in 2013. The SCOTUS knows its working so they have refused to over turn it.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:26 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Would you like to note that some are in California and Michigan, where the Gun Control laws are some of the most strict?


Michigan is not strict. I have to hear are stupid neighbours shooting deer and rabbits all the damn time.


Yes, how dare they do what they want on their own land.

The nerve, we should have these horrible people cast out into the streets for their crimes against humanity.

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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:27 am

Topoliani wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
Michigan is not strict. I have to hear are stupid neighbours shooting deer and rabbits all the damn time.

I meant Illinois...

Also, I thought you lived in the richest county in Maryland?


The surrounding states are to blame. If congress bans Guns across state lines then those states with strict gun control will be safer.

My residence is there (tax reasons) I am in michigan for the time being.
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Postby Kernen » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:27 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Kernen wrote:
Michigan gun laws are strict, but they don't have a total ban. Try again, kiddo.


MD is strict and guess what we have not had any massive shootings (more then like 4 or 5 killed/wounded) since we banned Assault weapons in 2013. The SCOTUS knows its working so they have refused to over turn it.

That isn't why SCOTUS didn't overturn it. Its because SCOTUS hates having 5-4 opinions, so they put it off where possible. Try again, kiddo.

Also, fwiw, I've had "assault weapon" in MD post-2013. You can do it if you comply with the laws. :roll:
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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:28 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Kernen wrote:
Michigan gun laws are strict, but they don't have a total ban. Try again, kiddo.


MD is strict and guess what we have not had any massive shootings (more then like 4 or 5 killed/wounded) since we banned Assault weapons in 2013. The SCOTUS knows its working so they have refused to over turn it.

Assault weapons are not a thing.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:28 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:I meant Illinois...

Also, I thought you lived in the richest county in Maryland?


The surrounding states are to blame. If congress bans Guns across state lines then those states with strict gun control will be safer.


Just gonna ignore that evidence I gave you?
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:29 am

I didnt vote for Trump wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I thought you wanted gun control measures to save lives?

Also, apparently you seem to think you know me. I will repeat: focusing on the gun is pointless. You're not going to stop people killing people by banning the guns, or making restrictions that apply to the guns.

So what do you focus on? What's your step by step plan to reduce spree shootings in the US or are you just satisfied with it being an intrinsic part of American culture? What have you looked into about restrictions on guns that makes you think with such conviction that it just won't work?

‘A step by step plan’ lol

Nobody truly has a step by step plan for this shit. And gun restriction, especially on things like features and types, are going to do jack shit because the cats out of the bag, so to speak. Since 1898, the cut off point for ‘firearms’ in the US, over threee hundred million guns have been sold into civilian hands. Gun control isn’t going to make those go away.
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I actually read the Unified Crime Reports yearly. What do you do, Mr. Gun Control?

Admit that I don't care about 99% of gun deaths because they don't relate to me in any realistic way. Honesty is a virtue after all.

Not being a hypocrite is one too.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:30 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
The surrounding states are to blame. If congress bans Guns across state lines then those states with strict gun control will be safer.


Just gonna ignore that evidence I gave you?

Its keshi of course he is.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Topoliani » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:30 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:I meant Illinois...

Also, I thought you lived in the richest county in Maryland?


The surrounding states are to blame. If congress bans Guns across state lines then those states with strict gun control will be safer.

"But moi surrounding states"

You do realize that the surrounding states also have strict gun control, not as strict as Illinois, but still.
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:30 am

Wysten wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
MD is strict and guess what we have not had any massive shootings (more then like 4 or 5 killed/wounded) since we banned Assault weapons in 2013. The SCOTUS knows its working so they have refused to over turn it.

Assault weapons are not a thing.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:31 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:I meant Illinois...

Also, I thought you lived in the richest county in Maryland?


The surrounding states are to blame. If congress bans Guns across state lines then those states with strict gun control will be safer.

My residence is there (tax reasons) I am in michigan for the time being.

Yah, no, it will not be safer.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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