Societal collapse of Oklahoma!

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Maybe splitting the state in two and make one part Democratic Socialists is a good after all.

[Salandriagado]

"We tried this. It failed miserably. Let's do it some more!"

Oklahoma made the mistake of not acclimating people to living without government services. It's not a leap to be taken quickly.

Or in other words: the market failed to react quickly enough. Turns out, markets are really shit at reacting quickly.

[Liriena]

You mean in the ideal, perfectly transparent and atomized free market that doesn't actually exist and would most likely not be born from this privatization?

A consumer's ability to dictate the quality and availability of services in a privatized system will largely depend on how much genuine competition there is (i.e. the system better not be a monopoly, an oligopoly, or a monopolistic competition model like cable companies), and how committed to accurately informing consumers the system is... which history teaches us it generally isn't. There's often a vast, vast difference between what's advertised to consumers and told to the media and what's said to shareholders (see: how private prisons advertise themselves to their clients as skilled rehabilitators while telling their investors that business is great because of all the recidivism and demanding that law enforcement find any excuse possible to arrest people so they can keep a large and profitable prison population).

If you ask me, it's a lot smarter and better for everyone but the greedy bastards in the private sector to cut the middle man and keep these services entirely public and dedicated entirely to providing them to as many people as possible at the highest quality possible, profitability be damned.

You complain about monopolies harming service quality, yet ignore the monopolistic nature of government itself. Why should education be entirely public if people see better alternatives in the private sector?

People can vote for how public services are handled, either through their representatives or through ballot measures. And they don't have to become shareholders in a for-profit scheme to get that vote.

[Liriena]

You complain about monopolies harming service quality, yet ignore the monopolistic nature of government itself. Why should education be entirely public if people see better alternatives in the private sector?

Um...
It's not, and people do. Private schools do exist, people aren't forced to send their kids to a public school, it's just that many cannot afford an alternative. The reason private schooling isn't as widespread as it could be iss because of that somewhat restrictive cost of attending those schools.

I would lowkey ban private schools.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

This thread reminds me of all those "No true version of Nazism/Fascism/Communism has been implemented in any country yet" arguments.

[Dahon]

This thread reminds me of all those "No true version of Nazism/Fascism/Communism has been implemented in any country yet" arguments.

*raises right hand*

I do solemnly swear...

[Vassenor]

This thread reminds me of all those "No true version of Nazism/Fascism/Communism has been implemented in any country yet" arguments.

Conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed after all.

[Aillyria]

This thread reminds me of all those "No true version of Nazism/Fascism/Communism has been implemented in any country yet" arguments.

Conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed after all.

Not really Conservativism, tbh, just libertarian economics.

[Thama]

So convince a 75%+ majority of the legislature to raise taxes. Shouldn't be so hard if shit's in such bad shape.

Shouldn't be so hard if shit's in such bad shape.

My sweet summer child

[Sovaal]

Conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed after all.

Not really Conservativism, tbh, just libertarian economics.

More just bad governance then anything really. Can’t slash the taxes and expect everything to stay the same.

[Kernen]

Not really Conservativism, tbh, just libertarian economics.

More just bad governance then anything really. Can’t slash the taxes and expect everything to stay the same.

Well, clearly you can. Its just unwise.

[Tierra Prime]

You'd think that most people would have a handle on the idea that you need taxes to pay for public services. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

[Sovaal]

More just bad governance then anything really. Can’t slash the taxes and expect everything to stay the same.

Well, clearly you can. Its just unwise.

Touché.

[Sovaal]

You'd think that most people would have a handle on the idea that you need taxes to pay for public services. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

Well it seems Monsanto has their next project all laid out.

[Vassenor]

You'd think that most people would have a handle on the idea that you need taxes to pay for public services. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

#magicmoneytree was the best meme of the 2017 GE.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So convince a 75%+ majority of the legislature to raise taxes. Shouldn't be so hard if shit's in such bad shape.

Shouldn't be so hard if shit's in such bad shape.

My sweet summer child

Welcome to the OK State.

Homeplace of the dumbass local GOP.

[Sovaal]

Maybe splitting the state in two and make one part Democratic Socialists is a good after all.

We’ll hich part would be which, and where would the line be drawn?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Maybe splitting the state in two and make one part Democratic Socialists is a good after all.

We’ll hich part would be which, and where would the line be drawn?

Split it up NE and SW right down the middle.

[Kramanica]

Then convince the 75% to raise taxes if things are so shit.

[Kernen]

Then convince the 75% to raise taxes if things are so shit.

Democracy is easy! Just convince more people to vote for you than anybody else! Lets not oversimplify the issue.

[Sovaal]

We’ll hich part would be which, and where would the line be drawn?

Split it up NE and SW right down the middle.

So which is dem doc and which is not, why are the DemSocs DemSocs?

[Kramanica]

Then convince the 75% to raise taxes if things are so shit.

Democracy is easy! Just convince more people to vote for you than anybody else! Lets not oversimplify the issue.

It isn't easy, but that is essentially what happens.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Now irony aside, when are the feds getting involved

[Kramanica]

Um...
It's not, and people do. Private schools do exist, people aren't forced to send their kids to a public school, it's just that many cannot afford an alternative. The reason private schooling isn't as widespread as it could be iss because of that somewhat restrictive cost of attending those schools.

I would lowkey ban private schools.

Yeah, let the government have a monopoly on education. That's great...

[Kernen]

Democracy is easy! Just convince more people to vote for you than anybody else! Lets not oversimplify the issue.

It isn't easy, but that is essentially what happens.

Gross oversimplifications don't contribute to the discussion, so it seems pointless to make that assertion.

There's an undertone of paternalism in the alternative: finding a way to force the issue in a non-democratic manner, through the state's executive power or even federal intrusion. I wonder if perhaps that would be more effective than a democratic solution.