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Societal collapse of Oklahoma!

Postby Saiwania » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:08 pm

https://boingboing.net/2018/02/07/this-is-not-ok.html
https://www.economist.com/news/united-s ... ats-matter

One score and six years ago, Oklahoma passed this stupid law requiring a 75%+ majority in their state assembly to raise taxes, effectively making any tax cut that passes- permanent. The legislature of that state had an addiction for cutting taxes to give out corporate welfare to fossil fuel interests and to dabble in some "trickle down" supply side nonsense just as Kansas has done, and predictably- Oklahoma's government is now all out of money.

Oklahoma's K-12 teachers haven't received a pay raise in over a decade and is now 3rd worst in compensation for the entire US. That state can now only afford to pay said teachers by switching to a 4 day school week in 90+ districts, so teachers can work at Walmart to be able to pay rent.

Most teachers understandably, aren't finding these conditions to be acceptable- and are now fleeing the state in droves for better opportunities in neighboring or "better off" states such as Texas or Arkansas. The health insurance situation for Oklahoma teachers leaves much to be desired as well, because many of the plans under their "private" system are more expensive than what teachers are getting paid in salary.

It gets worse, Oklahoma's highway patrol isn't filling their gas tanks to full capacity to "help their state's cash flow." Drunk drivers are being ignored or let go because there isn't anyone to process their tickets anymore, and the state's prison system is nearing collapse. Many inmates will have to be released prematurely, there just aren't any funds left to keep most of them imprisoned.

With essential government services declining to such a steep extent, private businesses are leaving Oklahoma as well. The poorer Oklahoma becomes and the smaller that state's economy gets, the less appeal there is to "set up shop" there or to stick around. It is quite a pitiful state of affairs that is currently unfolding. It looks as if the state is dying just as Kansas was under Sam Brownback's stewardship.

What are your thoughts on this tragic situation? What in your opinion, is the best solution to fixing Oklahoma's problems to effectively turn that state around? Are the results of the policies followed in Oklahoma, further evidence of a massive, catastrophic, colossal failure of the Republican party's economic platform?

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Postby Hayo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:20 pm

They've got bad roads and unsafe drinking water too.

The solution seems pretty simple. They don't have enough revenue to pay for basic services, so they should raise taxes.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:23 pm

So convince a 75%+ majority of the legislature to raise taxes. Shouldn't be so hard if shit's in such bad shape.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:41 pm

Their terrible decision has ultimately just raised the bar for how much everything needs to suck before they raise taxes.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pm

How about if we merge Oklahoma and Kansas into a single country called Ancappistan?
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Postby Shaggtopia » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:00 am

Woah State Seppuku. They're just ahead of the curve on this one I think though, Ok is not okay. :o
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Postby Dahon the Alternative » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:48 am

Saiwania wrote:https://boingboing.net/2018/02/07/this-is-not-ok.html
https://www.economist.com/news/united-s ... ats-matter

One score and six years ago, Oklahoma passed this stupid law requiring a 75%+ majority in their state assembly to raise taxes, effectively making any tax cut that passes- permanent. The legislature of that state had an addiction for cutting taxes to give out corporate welfare to fossil fuel interests and to dabble in some "trickle down" supply side nonsense just as Kansas has done, and predictably- Oklahoma's government is now all out of money.

Oklahoma's K-12 teachers haven't received a pay raise in over a decade and is now 3rd worst in compensation for the entire US. That state can now only afford to pay said teachers by switching to a 4 day school week in 90+ districts, so teachers can work at Walmart to be able to pay rent.

Most teachers understandably, aren't finding these conditions to be acceptable- and are now fleeing the state in droves for better opportunities in neighboring or "better off" states such as Texas or Arkansas. The health insurance situation for Oklahoma teachers leaves much to be desired as well, because many of the plans under their "private" system are more expensive than what teachers are getting paid in salary.

It gets worse, Oklahoma's highway patrol isn't filling their gas tanks to full capacity to "help their state's cash flow." Drunk drivers are being ignored or let go because there isn't anyone to process their tickets anymore, and the state's prison system is nearing collapse. Many inmates will have to be released prematurely, there just aren't any funds left to keep most of them imprisoned.

With essential government services declining to such a steep extent, private businesses are leaving Oklahoma as well. The poorer Oklahoma becomes and the smaller that state's economy gets, the less appeal there is to "set up shop" there or to stick around. It is quite a pitiful state of affairs that is currently unfolding. It looks as if the state is dying just as Kansas was under Sam Brownback's stewardship.

What are your thoughts on this tragic situation? What in your opinion, is the best solution to fixing Oklahoma's problems to effectively turn that state around? Are the results of the policies followed in Oklahoma, further evidence of a massive, catastrophic, colossal failure of the Republican party's economic platform?


What a nice, red-white-and-blueprint for the United States of America in the coming decade. Where is Leonardo? He needs to get here quick -- this should be too much stimulation even for him.
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Postby Dahon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:02 am

Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:46 am

Dahon wrote:Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!

As nice as it feels to indulge in this occasionally, don't come crying later about how it's so silly that those hicks just blindly hate all liberals even though we know what's good for them when you're out here talking smack like this. :p
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Postby Socialist Federal Slavia » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:52 am

Dahon wrote:Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!

I`m gonna use the collective commie coma line to describe unions in my IRL country from now on.

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Postby Socialist Federal Slavia » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:54 am

Also, can`t wait for some ancaps to illuminate us on how this is all the government`s fault for existing, somehow.
Either that or some Neo-Nazis will blame the Dornish,Jews lol!

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Postby Dahon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:06 am

Senkaku wrote:
Dahon wrote:Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!

As nice as it feels to indulge in this occasionally, don't come crying later about how it's so silly that those hicks just blindly hate all liberals even though we know what's good for them when you're out here talking smack like this. :p


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Postby Bombadil » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:35 am

They're clearly not sending God enough money.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:44 am

Clearly, the fault is that taxes are too high and are putting a stranglehold on private business. Lowering taxes will fix everything.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:00 am

Or you can evacuate everyone from Oklahoma, and scatter them throughout the country.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:02 am

Senkaku wrote:
Dahon wrote:Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!

As nice as it feels to indulge in this occasionally, don't come crying later about how it's so silly that those hicks just blindly hate all liberals even though we know what's good for them when you're out here talking smack like this. :p

You have cause and effect backwards. They accused us of insulting them long before we actually did so. We've got nothing left to lose by doing so.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:05 am

Senkaku wrote:So convince a 75%+ majority of the legislature to raise taxes. Shouldn't be so hard if shit's in such bad shape.

You'll rarely get 75% of people agreeing on anything, much less 75% of those elected by a redneck state on the need for higher taxes.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:08 am

As observateur, it seems also to me your straight way to do so, it is to pass higher taxes with 3/4 of representatives. convince the legislature.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:12 am

Phoenicaea wrote:As observateur, it seems also to me your straight way to do so, it is to pass higher taxes with 3/4 of representatives. convince the legislature.


LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Senkaku wrote:So convince a 75%+ majority of the legislature to raise taxes. Shouldn't be so hard if shit's in such bad shape.

You'll rarely get 75% of people agreeing on anything, much less 75% of those elected by a redneck state on the need for higher taxes.
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Postby Dahon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:51 am

They'll just blame themselves for not wearing bootstraps rather than maybe hike up their taxes so state government services keep on keeping on. For people born into thinking taxes are evil shit because the government will just waste it for shit they dislike as well as others they like, no punishment is enough, none will stun them into "OK, when the government is affected, I'm affected! but of course it should, I am the government!"
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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:00 am

So, cities and provinces, local authorities to hire taxes to manage public services they agree about, at he State's place? this may be possible in United States, I suppose

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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:46 am

So far, not a peep from self-professed libertarians.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:55 am

Turns out you need money. But nice circle jerk here too.

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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:24 am

Petrasylvania wrote:So far, not a peep from self-professed libertarians.

Oklahoma: Spends way more than it takes in, eventually collapses due to insufficient income, a cornerstone of Libertarian policy holding that states need to slash spending in conjunction with slashing taxes

You: Lolbertarians amirite

???
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:29 am

Len Hyet wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So far, not a peep from self-professed libertarians.

Oklahoma: Spends way more than it takes in, eventually collapses due to insufficient income, a cornerstone of Libertarian policy holding that states need to slash spending in conjunction with slashing taxes

You: Lolbertarians amirite

???

But how else are we supposed to get to call people idiots?/s

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