by Novowarsawianka » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:41 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 am
by Trumptonium » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:50 am
by Verlzonia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:54 am
Trumptonium wrote:Mostly because millennials are edgy and Western history books are empty of the crimes and faults of communism, not to mention a large part of western academia and school teachers subscribe to these ideologies
Also because countries which have never been affected by communism, either through rule or war, don't know anything about it.
Countries which have been communist in the past (with the notable exception of Russia and Moldova) are completely devoid of any party in parliament that is further to the left than centre, and the youth tends to be more right wing than the mainstream. That's the effect of communism. Take a trip to Slovakia and the furthest left party (socially) is something equivalent to the GOP. Then there's 6 others that are more right-wing.
Don't want to be cliche but history is written by the winners. Education in matters of politics only serves a role of indoctrination. Tell people from a young age that fascism is bad, they'll think fascism is bad. Tell people both the extreme left and the extreme right are bad, that's what they'll believe. In the far West (that being 'Anglo-Saxon Capitalism' as per Chirac), youth are given a pat on the back for being idealistic utopians by believing in communism.
by Bombadil » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:06 am
by Novowarsawianka » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:23 am
Trumptonium wrote:Mostly because millennials are edgy and Western history books are empty of the crimes and faults of communism, not to mention a large part of western academia and school teachers subscribe to these ideologies
Also because countries which have never been affected by communism, either through rule or war, don't know anything about it.
Countries which have been communist in the past (with the notable exception of Russia and Moldova) are completely devoid of any party in parliament that is further to the left than centre, and the youth tends to be more right wing than the mainstream. That's the effect of communism. Take a trip to Slovakia and the furthest left party (socially) is something equivalent to the GOP. Then there's 6 others that are more right-wing.
Don't want to be cliche but history is written by the winners. Education in matters of politics only serves a role of indoctrination. Tell people from a young age that fascism is bad, they'll think fascism is bad. Tell people both the extreme left and the extreme right are bad, that's what they'll believe. In the far West (that being 'Anglo-Saxon Capitalism' as per Chirac), youth are given a pat on the back for being idealistic utopians by believing in communism.
Bombadil wrote:Look at the aim of both, communism is essentially born of an equal society, fascism is born of a nationalistic, corporatist dictatorship.
One should separate the forms of either in history, both of which were disasters, to the underlying concept. One is that equality is the ideal, the other is the betterment of a particular race is an ideal.
One can support the concept. Most communism as practiced was in fact Leninism, that held forced revolution was required. It's dumb to compare historical death rates.
by Hammer Britannia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:29 am
by Radiatia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:31 am
by Bombadil » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:35 am
Novowarsawianka wrote:If we look at it ideologically, Fascism is about the nation-state, not about any race in particular. In fact, Mussolini himself went so far as to claim that races don't exist.
Fascism is aimed at unity under a nation, Communism is aimed at unity under a class, both will end up treating you, an individual, as nothing more than a cog in their machine. In practice, any belief other than their own would be trampled upon, debates would cease and the land they rule over would decay into tyranny, as happens with all one party states.
Hammer Britannia wrote:That's just my two cents though, I might delete this later because I am hungover from drinking my work stress away yesterday
by Ifreann » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:41 am
by Osnil Returns » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:41 am
by -United Republic of Freedonia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:42 am
by The Transhuman Union » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:43 am
-United Republic of Freedonia wrote:Is true that Communism has killed people as Fascism. But at least has some proper goals, like social equality. Not like Fascism where's the goal is fucking kill everyone.
by Ifreann » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:45 am
Osnil Returns wrote:Because the Left infiltrated the education system in the 1900s and now they dominate it with their socialistic/commie views. And parents don't care because the school system is a government-funded babysitting service.
by -United Republic of Freedonia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:48 am
The Transhuman Union wrote:That's not really a goal, more like it's a prequisite to achieve the goal of fascism.
by Bombadil » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:48 am
The Transhuman Union wrote:-United Republic of Freedonia wrote:Is true that Communism has killed people as Fascism. But at least has some proper goals, like social equality. Not like Fascism where's the goal is fucking kill everyone.
That's not really a goal, more like it's a prequisite to achieve the goal of fascism.
by Novowarsawianka » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:56 am
Ifreann wrote:Well Nazi Germany tried to take over the world and murder everyone Hitler had designated as inferior. Slightly worse than trying to spread a different economic system.
by Crystalfields » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:59 am
by Novowarsawianka » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:07 am
Bombadil wrote:The Transhuman Union wrote:
That's not really a goal, more like it's a prequisite to achieve the goal of fascism.
Well part of the problem is that Fascism was the least defined of post-monarchical systems, in fact one might argue it was simply militaristic monarchism, using the industry of the nationstate to wage war.
by Japan and Pacific States » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:10 am
Novowarsawianka wrote: Snip.
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by Escocaria » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:10 am
Ifreann wrote:Well Nazi Germany tried to take over the world and murder everyone Hitler had designated as inferior. Slightly worse than trying to spread a different economic system.
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by Shikihara » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:11 am
Hegel wrote:“Spirit certainly makes war upon itself - consumes its own existence; but in this very destruction it works up that existence into a new form, and each successive phase becomes in its turn a material, working on which it exalts itself to a new grade..”
by The Transhuman Union » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:13 am
Japan and Pacific States wrote:Novowarsawianka wrote: Snip.
Well you see, it's mainly because leftists nowadays have a very (in my opinion) unnatural control over universities as well as media, that and the very visible of dumbing down of people nowadays. Nobody believes Socialism/Communism is a threat because we(meaning the school systems of the west) don't emphasize the dangers of the ideology as most of whom I'd suppose would be teaching it would be in agreement with the ideologies of Socialism/Communism. If we were to sack teachers of whom were exposed or believed to be socialists then we do put in actual neutral centrist teachers (ironic I say this even though I myself am a fascist) and encourage the teachings of all the historic man made disasters as well as mass murders of people under Communism. I'd think if we were to put focus on the problems as well as the results of Communist take overs of countries. Such as when the Soviets took over Russia, murder of people in power as well as the Tsar and his family, then let's not forget the murder of Ukrainians via starvation during the Ukraine "famine", oh and my favourite, the ever so denied katyn massacre. The absurdity of the argument of whether Fascism is worse than Communism/Socialism should not be an argument. It's obvious that Communism/Socialism is indeed worse than Fascism.
by Changjo » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:13 am
Escocaria wrote:Ifreann wrote:Well Nazi Germany tried to take over the world and murder everyone Hitler had designated as inferior. Slightly worse than trying to spread a different economic system.
Nazi Germany didn't try to take over the world, it tried to re-take the territories of the German Empire and take over Slavic Europe in order to secure the future of the German people and destroy the Slavs and the Jews, a people they considered to be inferior to the German people.
Hitler was merely an idiot who got over-confident while being ambitious as fuck.
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