[CLOSED] Universal Basic Income

[Edwerlantin]

This prestigious World Assembly,

SHOCKED at how inefficient and detrimental welfare can be,

NOTING that welfare can induce passive behavior, due to the nature of welfare to add strings attached to a person enrolled in said program such as:

I. Forcing enrolled citizens to apply for a certain amount of occupations per month,
II. Forcing enrolled citizens to accept all offers they receive, no matter how unfit they are for said occupation,
III. Potentially taking benefits away from citizens for simply earning extra income,

APPALLED by the welfare system's hypocritical actions of lessening poverty while being one of the causes of poverty,

HEREBY defines a new system of welfare that will help all member nations to truly help their citizenry:

Article I- Universal Basic Income:

I. Universal Basic Income is the idea to give citizenry a flat, unchangeable living wage to get people above each nation's respective poverty line.
II. All respective currency given to member nations are untaxable, and completely discretionary.

Article 2- Funding Universal Basic Income:

Ways to fund this endeavor include:

I. Income tax, such as negative income tax, income taxes, income tax threshold, capital gains taxes, taxes on income of land and natural resources,

II. Transaction tax, such as financial transaction tax, sales taxes, luxury taxes, value added tax or other consumption taxes, tariffs,

III. Wealth taxes or property tax, such as taxing on housing or vehicles, inheritance taxes,

IV. Environmental tax, such as pollution taxes, carbon tax,

V. Pay by user, such as toll road, passport fees,

VI. Progressive tolls on resource consumption, such as water, electricity, natural gas, parking, and public bicycle rental. Progressive toll mean higher price per unit as more usage.

VII. Monetary reform and/or increased money supply.





This is what I have so far for my new proposal. If anyone would like to point out errors, give extra information to include, etc. I would appreciate it.

[Tinfect]

OOC:
Your understanding of welfare systems is bad and your solution is bad.

Aside that, this doesn't seem to actually do anything.

[Grays Harbor]

OOC:
Your understanding of welfare systems is bad and your solution is bad even worse and, in fact, potentially disastrous.

Aside that, this doesn't seem to actually do anything.

There, fixed that for ya.

[Kenmoria]

"This is an idea that people in Kenmoria dislike and, apart from that, this proposal has no actual effect on anything under careful examination."

[Edwerlantin]

Hmm. I see.

OOC:
Your understanding of welfare systems is bad and your solution is bad.

Aside that, this doesn't seem to actually do anything.

Upon further inspection, I see your point. My knowledge of welfare systems are lackluster... Could you explain how the system of welfare itself works then?

[Alpha Cassiopeiae]

"Well, let's deconstruct this.'

This prestigious World Assembly,

SHOCKED at how inefficient and detrimental welfare can be,

"Perhaps in some nations, Ambassador, but people get by just fine in ours."

NOTING that welfare can induce passive behavior, due to the nature of welfare to add strings attached to a person enrolled in said program such as:

I. Forcing enrolled citizens to apply for a certain amount of occupations per month,
II. Forcing enrolled citizens to accept all offers they receive, no matter how unfit they are for said occupation,
III. Potentially taking benefits away from citizens for simply earning extra income,

"Only in some forms of welfare systems, but it is certainly not the 'nature' of them. A welfare system can be structured in many ways that do not produce such deleterious effects."

APPALLED by the welfare system's hypocritical actions of lessening poverty while being one of the causes of poverty,

"What? How?"

HEREBY defines a new system of welfare that will help all member nations to truly help their citizenry:

"It would seem more effective to fix the broken systems where they exist instead of throwing them out entirely."

Article I- Universal Basic Income:

I. Universal Basic Income is the idea to give citizenry a flat, unchangeable living wage to get people above each nation's respective poverty line.

"An unchangeable wage? Inflation is a sign of a healthy economy. What is the point of having a basic income if you can't change it to adjust for inflation? And why make it universal? The CEOs of large corporations get as much as a single mother on a minimum wage job?"

II. All respective currency given to member nations are untaxable, and completely discretionary.

"It can't be untaxable. Perhaps not taxable for the purposes of income tax, but sales tax, property tax, and other such taxes would still be applicable. Unless you meant to make it untaxable by even these, which would be highly problematic and a logistics nightmare. Also, why should it be discretionary? The state is providing this as a supplement. Does it not then have an interest in what the beneficiaries use it for? Making it discretionary opens it up to rampant abuse, no?"

Article 2- Funding Universal Basic Income:

Ways to fund this endeavor include:

I. Income tax, such as negative income tax, income taxes, income tax threshold, capital gains taxes, taxes on income of land and natural resources,

II. Transaction tax, such as financial transaction tax, sales taxes, luxury taxes, value added tax or other consumption taxes, tariffs,

III. Wealth taxes or property tax, such as taxing on housing or vehicles, inheritance taxes,

IV. Environmental tax, such as pollution taxes, carbon tax,

V. Pay by user, such as toll road, passport fees,

VI. Progressive tolls on resource consumption, such as water, electricity, natural gas, parking, and public bicycle rental. Progressive toll mean higher price per unit as more usage.

"Yes, this is how states fund things. It doesn't need to be in the proposal. A question, though, will raising taxes on everything not create an even higher burden on the poor as the cost of living rises?"

VII. Monetary reform and/or increased money supply.

"Does the phrase 'runaway inflation' mean anything to you, Ambassador?"

This is what I have so far for my new proposal. If anyone would like to point out errors, give extra information to include, etc. I would appreciate it.

"Well, in addition to the above, it doesn't seem to have any active clauses and as such, doesn't do anything.

In conclusion, we strongly oppose."

[Fauxia]

“Not a national issue. Not important enough to infringe on national sovereignty. Opposed.”

[Principality of the Raix]

Just by reading the first few lines, I can tell this is unreasonable. I thought this would be something that may increase the average income, in which I had some complaints then.

[Edwerlantin]

Well, I've failed again. I'm already regretting ever putting this up here. I want this thing closed.

[Alpha Cassiopeiae]

Well, I've failed again. I'm already regretting ever putting this up here. I want this thing closed.

OOC: Don't take it too personally. The General Assembly is very selective and argumentative. Perhaps participate in a few more debates before making another attempt. The simple fact you can accept defeat already puts you above a lot of people we see.

[Bears Armed]

The simple fact you can accept defeat already puts you above a lot of people we see.

Agreed.

*(sends the government of Edwerlantin a gift basket of this nation's produce, including a large jar of high-quality honey and a large bottle of high-quality maple syrup as well as assorted fruits and nuts)*

[Imperium Anglorum]

Unlike most of the people here, it seems, I support legislation on this sort. Of all welfare programmes, an unconditional grant would reduce incentives to labour supply the least. The question is simply one of whether an unconditional grant is inefficient as a matter of limited government resources. It is. However, at that point, one could just reduce the payments to reduce labour disincentives or inefficiencies.

[Workers and Students]

It`s a nice idea for the increasing social inequality, I think that only a revolution can end the suffer of the poor people, but a Universal Basic Income, is a Helpful thing.

This in Real Life.

But, this cancel the idea of freedom of the game, if someone want to make a nation for all their citizens die by hungry and only 1% survive in castle of diamonds, they should be able to do.

[Aclion]

Well, I've failed again. I'm already regretting ever putting this up here. I want this thing closed.

I am sad to see you give up. This is a worthy goal.

It`s a nice idea for the increasing social inequality, I think that only a revolution can end the suffer of the poor people, but a Universal Basic Income, is a Helpful thing.

This in Real Life.

But, this cancel the idea of freedom of the game, if someone want to make a nation for all their citizens die by hungry and only 1% survive in castle of diamonds, they should be able to do.

And they can, by leaving the World Assembly.

[Slavonia and Srijem]

Great Proposal, but it needs tweaking. Basic income is the least human dignity we should give to our citizens. Happy Christmas.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Minimum Standard of Living Act mentions "guaranteed minimum income, social security, unemployment insurance" as some ways for nations to guarantee the minimum standards of living. Those all are wordings that RL nations use to give "universal basic income" or "welfare" to their citizens, so I rather think this topic is already covered.