Creating new enemies, weakening the country, sometimes becoming comparable to our Soviet Russia. That type of stuff.
Mosley, for example, is a totalitarian socialist instead of a fascist in this timeline.
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by Proctopeo » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:48 am
by Victoriala II » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:08 am
by Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:16 am
Victoriala II wrote:it's like saying if we vaporized albert einstein the japanese empire would rise again, and before that wed have yuri tryna mind control the world
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:20 am
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:21 am
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:23 am
by Proctopeo » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:32 am
The Parkus Empire wrote:I would even go so far as to say that, morally, he was every bit as wicked as those he was fighting.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:38 am
by Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:46 am
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:48 am
Crysuko wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:He was a very competent fellow, despite being a piece of shit.
that said, the popular front was a disorganised rabble that couldn't agree on anything and thus ended up being a civil war inside a civil war. you don't exactly have to be napolean to kick this rotten structure down
by Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:52 am
The Parkus Empire wrote:Crysuko wrote:that said, the popular front was a disorganised rabble that couldn't agree on anything and thus ended up being a civil war inside a civil war. you don't exactly have to be napolean to kick this rotten structure down
Yes, well at least Stalin tried to pur--, er, fix that.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:54 am
by Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:03 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Crysuko wrote:I think that was the point at which we can safely call it red fascism. and why so many people think that's all the far left is based on one note Mcarthyist propoganda.
Purging people is not innately fascist, it was being done by leftists long before fascism existed.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:08 pm
Crysuko wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Purging people is not innately fascist, it was being done by leftists long before fascism existed.
now I don't want to sound like a steryotype but among many leftist circles, Stalinists or "tankies" are almost universally thrown under the bus as the gulag happy ones. I, for example am a Syndicalist (Thus, Nestor Makhno is bae) and I will happily unite with Socialists, DemSocs and other flavours of anarchist, but the Stalinists are a no go.
by Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:09 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Crysuko wrote:now I don't want to sound like a steryotype but among many leftist circles, Stalinists or "tankies" are almost universally thrown under the bus as the gulag happy ones. I, for example am a Syndicalist (Thus, Nestor Makhno is bae) and I will happily unite with Socialists, DemSocs and other flavours of anarchist, but the Stalinists are a no go.
I was not referring to Stalin.
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:11 pm
Crysuko wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Purging people is not innately fascist, it was being done by leftists long before fascism existed.
now I don't want to sound like a steryotype but among many leftist circles, Stalinists or "tankies" are almost universally thrown under the bus as the gulag happy ones. I, for example am a Syndicalist (Thus, Nestor Makhno is bae) and I will happily unite with Socialists, DemSocs and other flavours of anarchist, but the Stalinists are a no go.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:15 pm
by Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:18 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Crysuko wrote:now I don't want to sound like a steryotype but among many leftist circles, Stalinists or "tankies" are almost universally thrown under the bus as the gulag happy ones. I, for example am a Syndicalist (Thus, Nestor Makhno is bae) and I will happily unite with Socialists, DemSocs and other flavours of anarchist, but the Stalinists are a no go.
You say this like Makhno didn't purge people.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:22 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:30 pm
As a military leader, it has been noted, he was compelled to inaugurate a form of conscription in order to replenish his forces; and he is known on occasion to have imposed strict measures of military discipline, including summary executions.
The Russian Mennonite diaspora recall the ‘uncontrolled terror’ inflicted by the Makhnovists as they slaughtered hundreds of men, women, and children (Huebert, H.T. & W. Schroeder, p-138);3 ‘Driven by mad violence’ (Toews, p-252) the bandits displayed ‘the bestiality of men who had become raging animals’ (Toews, p-142); ‘Helpless and defenseless, [the Mennonites] were exposed to the horrible reality of an unprecedented, bestial anarchy that expressed the basest human instincts’ (Dick, p-137); ‘This part-targeted, part-random horror lives on in the Mennonite imagination as a kind of ultimate Manichean abomination’ (Dyck, n.d.); etc. ‘By the time of the German withdrawal,’ writes one memoirist, [Makhno] had an army of 100,000 followers, all criminals, all hostile to humanity, their hatred directed against everybody (…) Having stolen most of the horses in the countryside, they exemplified terror on horseback as they carried out their program of plunder, rape and murder with a vengeance.’4 The story of this ‘terrible, hated man’ has become a centrepiece of Mennonite identity and a historical truth passed between generations; here is a representative example from a young Mennonite: ‘In Muensterberg, Makhno beheaded a whole family and set all the heads on display on tables’ (Schroeder, n.d.).5
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:32 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Crysuko wrote:Citation neededAs a military leader, it has been noted, he was compelled to inaugurate a form of conscription in order to replenish his forces; and he is known on occasion to have imposed strict measures of military discipline, including summary executions.
https://libcom.org/history/nestor-makhno-man-mythThe Russian Mennonite diaspora recall the ‘uncontrolled terror’ inflicted by the Makhnovists as they slaughtered hundreds of men, women, and children (Huebert, H.T. & W. Schroeder, p-138);3 ‘Driven by mad violence’ (Toews, p-252) the bandits displayed ‘the bestiality of men who had become raging animals’ (Toews, p-142); ‘Helpless and defenseless, [the Mennonites] were exposed to the horrible reality of an unprecedented, bestial anarchy that expressed the basest human instincts’ (Dick, p-137); ‘This part-targeted, part-random horror lives on in the Mennonite imagination as a kind of ultimate Manichean abomination’ (Dyck, n.d.); etc. ‘By the time of the German withdrawal,’ writes one memoirist, [Makhno] had an army of 100,000 followers, all criminals, all hostile to humanity, their hatred directed against everybody (…) Having stolen most of the horses in the countryside, they exemplified terror on horseback as they carried out their program of plunder, rape and murder with a vengeance.’4 The story of this ‘terrible, hated man’ has become a centrepiece of Mennonite identity and a historical truth passed between generations; here is a representative example from a young Mennonite: ‘In Muensterberg, Makhno beheaded a whole family and set all the heads on display on tables’ (Schroeder, n.d.).5
https://libcom.org/history/makhnovists- ... -civil-war
by The New Sea Territory » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:48 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Crysuko wrote:Citation neededAs a military leader, it has been noted, he was compelled to inaugurate a form of conscription in order to replenish his forces; and he is known on occasion to have imposed strict measures of military discipline, including summary executions.
https://libcom.org/history/nestor-makhno-man-myth
In one area, however, Makhno made a significant compromise with his libertarian principles. As a military leader, it has been noted, he was compelled to inaugurate a form of conscription in order to replenish his forces; and he is known on occasion to have imposed strict measures of military discipline, including summary executions. His violent tendencies, some maintain, were accentuated by bouts with alcohol. Volin underscores Makhno's drinking and carousing nature, and Victor Serge describes him as "boozing, swashbuckling, disorderly and idealistic."15 Hostile observers have compared him to a Chinese warlord, insisting that his army was libertarian only in name. This, however, is not a true picture. Although military considerations inevitably clashed with Makhno's anarchistic doctrines, his army was more popular both in organization and social composition than any other fighting force of his day.
The Russian Mennonite diaspora recall the ‘uncontrolled terror’ inflicted by the Makhnovists as they slaughtered hundreds of men, women, and children (Huebert, H.T. & W. Schroeder, p-138);3 ‘Driven by mad violence’ (Toews, p-252) the bandits displayed ‘the bestiality of men who had become raging animals’ (Toews, p-142); ‘Helpless and defenseless, [the Mennonites] were exposed to the horrible reality of an unprecedented, bestial anarchy that expressed the basest human instincts’ (Dick, p-137); ‘This part-targeted, part-random horror lives on in the Mennonite imagination as a kind of ultimate Manichean abomination’ (Dyck, n.d.); etc. ‘By the time of the German withdrawal,’ writes one memoirist, [Makhno] had an army of 100,000 followers, all criminals, all hostile to humanity, their hatred directed against everybody (…) Having stolen most of the horses in the countryside, they exemplified terror on horseback as they carried out their program of plunder, rape and murder with a vengeance.’4 The story of this ‘terrible, hated man’ has become a centrepiece of Mennonite identity and a historical truth passed between generations; here is a representative example from a young Mennonite: ‘In Muensterberg, Makhno beheaded a whole family and set all the heads on display on tables’ (Schroeder, n.d.).5
https://libcom.org/history/makhnovists- ... -civil-war
This is a story about massacres that occurred in Southern Ukraine between 26th October and 7th December, 1919. The victims, avowedly-pacifist German Mennonites, included several women and elderly people; in Eichenfeld, almost one third of the village population was killed, including a 65 year-old blind woman. All the massacres occurred in the vicinity of the Makhnovist army. And then, after six weeks, they stopped.
This is also the story of an émigré community whose members invented an anarchist bogeyman to justify having betrayed their pacifist principles. It’s about estate owners who earned 3000 times what they paid their labourers, landlords who conscripted soldiers to protect their wealth, and pacifists who fought for an army that killed tens of thousands of Jews.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:54 pm
Crysuko wrote:I think that was the point at which we can safely call it red fascism. and why so many people think that's all the far left is based on one note Mcarthyist propoganda.
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by United Muscovite Nations » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:55 pm
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