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by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:14 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:17 pm
Sanctissima wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:SiOC meant "let's not declare war on the whole planet," not that Stalin stopped supportioning internationalism
The entire point was to unite the world under the leadership of the USSR, not to kill off the country.
Sacrificing the USSR for any reason whatsoever would have been antithetical to Stalin's ideals.
by Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:17 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:It would have probably been a better country for it. But if you want to try and justify genocide in a leftist fashion don't let me stop you.
It probably would have been retaken by the British in such a scenario.
But since you're so quick to judge, kindly remind me how Australia didn't do the exact same thing with its own Aboriginal population. :^)
by The Widening Gyre » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:18 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:The Widening Gyre wrote:
The John McCain of late republican Rome was an inheritor of an older Greek tradition. If he should get credit for anything, it's the historical happenstance that lead to his discovery in the Renaissance.
Eh, John McCain is about foreign wars, whereas Cicreo said fighting wars except to protect allies was destroying Rome. But yeah, his identification of humanity with God, and seeing each human as a piece, is older tradition; and yes, his rediscovery was why he was so influntial.
by The East Marches II » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:19 pm
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:20 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
The entire point was to unite the world under the leadership of the USSR, not to kill off the country.
Sacrificing the USSR for any reason whatsoever would have been antithetical to Stalin's ideals.
The USSR was a federation of socialist countries, not one. Stalin was not a Russian, for instance.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:20 pm
by Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:21 pm
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:21 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
It probably would have been retaken by the British in such a scenario.
But since you're so quick to judge, kindly remind me how Australia didn't do the exact same thing with its own Aboriginal population. :^)
I'm not coming to this from a point of nationalism friend. I know that perfectly well.
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:23 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:24 pm
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:25 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Then would you kindly clarify your initial assertion that Stalin would have willingly sacrificed his country for the sake of international Communism?
Russia or any other number. The USSR was about socialism, not any particular country. It could hypothetically have been comprised of North America even if the Eastern bloc perished.
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:29 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
D-did we get saved by Adolfo?
Possibly. Had Hitler not been crazy, it's likely the Soviet Union would have revved up its tanks in 1943 or later and struck the Axis in Eastern Europe. It's hard to say how well the Axis would hold up to that, but if Red Army force increases continued at those rates, it's unlikely the Axis would have won the war.
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:29 pm
Sanctissima wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Russia or any other number. The USSR was about socialism, not any particular country. It could hypothetically have been comprised of North America even if the Eastern bloc perished.
That's rather nonsensical.
It lived and died with the Russian SSR. Without it, there was no USSR. Hence, to tie it back in with the initial conversation, why Stalin's purges of the military were thoroughly detrimental to the USSR, even from a strictly pragmatic perspective.
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:32 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
That's rather nonsensical.
It lived and died with the Russian SSR. Without it, there was no USSR. Hence, to tie it back in with the initial conversation, why Stalin's purges of the military were thoroughly detrimental to the USSR, even from a strictly pragmatic perspective.
It was a gamble. Stalin felt crypto-whites were the biggest danger, though
by Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:32 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
That's rather nonsensical.
It lived and died with the Russian SSR. Without it, there was no USSR. Hence, to tie it back in with the initial conversation, why Stalin's purges of the military were thoroughly detrimental to the USSR, even from a strictly pragmatic perspective.
It was a gamble. Stalin felt crypto-whites were the biggest danger, though
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:35 pm
The Widening Gyre wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Eh, John McCain is about foreign wars, whereas Cicreo said fighting wars except to protect allies was destroying Rome. But yeah, his identification of humanity with God, and seeing each human as a piece, is older tradition; and yes, his rediscovery was why he was so influntial.
Which is really the point I'm making here. If you're going to give credit to anyone, give it to Petrarch. It's not like he didn't deserve it.
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:36 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:36 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:38 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:39 pm
by Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:42 pm
by Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:43 pm
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