Aye, but again, there are other means. And one has to balance the pros and cons.
Autistically hamstringing your military just to ensure it won't pull a coup d'etat is certainly far worse for a nation than the benefits it might impart.
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by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:54 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:55 pm
Webus wrote:Humanism is Christianity for the secular age
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:56 pm
Sanctissima wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:But not surer ways in such a situation where it just takes one ambitious officer with men more loyal to him than you.
Aye, but again, there are other means. And one has to balance the pros and cons.
Autistically hamstringing your military just to ensure it won't pull a coup d'etat is certainly far worse for a nation than the benefits it might impart.
by Genivaria » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:57 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Genivaria wrote:So what happened to the officers from the Imperial army?
Purged?
There were still a few, but the civil war was 19 years earlier by 1936, many had retired. The most notable would be Marshal of the Soviet Union, Semyon Budyonny, who had been a cavalry officer in the Imperial Army.
But, also remember that that meant that these men were educated mostly before the First World War, so their education was only really valuable in a theoretical sense.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:57 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:57 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Aye, but again, there are other means. And one has to balance the pros and cons.
Autistically hamstringing your military just to ensure it won't pull a coup d'etat is certainly far worse for a nation than the benefits it might impart.
Stalin only cares about communism, for that to be achieved he would annihilate his country gladly.
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:58 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Aye, but again, there are other means. And one has to balance the pros and cons.
Autistically hamstringing your military just to ensure it won't pull a coup d'etat is certainly far worse for a nation than the benefits it might impart.
Stalin only cares about communism, for that to be achieved he would annihilate his country gladly.
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:58 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:59 pm
Sanctissima wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Stalin only cares about communism, for that to be achieved he would annihilate his country gladly.
Considering his policy of Socialism-in-one-country, I doubt that.
And at any rate, cuckolding your army so thoroughly that it can barely defeat Finland isn't exactly helping Communist ambitions.
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:02 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:03 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Considering his policy of Socialism-in-one-country, I doubt that.
And at any rate, cuckolding your army so thoroughly that it can barely defeat Finland isn't exactly helping Communist ambitions.
Socialism in One Country was a temporary state which would use Russia as a base for communism to spread. By 1939, Stalin was creating a military machine that very well could have been capable of subjugating all of Europe, and it was only the Second World War that prevented this.
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:04 pm
Sanctissima wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Stalin only cares about communism, for that to be achieved he would annihilate his country gladly.
Considering his policy of Socialism-in-one-country, I doubt that.
And at any rate, cuckolding your army so thoroughly that it can barely defeat Finland isn't exactly helping Communist ambitions.
by Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:04 pm
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:05 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Considering his policy of Socialism-in-one-country, I doubt that.
And at any rate, cuckolding your army so thoroughly that it can barely defeat Finland isn't exactly helping Communist ambitions.
Socialism in One Country was a temporary state which would use Russia as a base for communism to spread. By 1939, Stalin was creating a military machine that very well could have been capable of subjugating all of Europe, and it was only the Second World War that prevented this.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:05 pm
Genivaria wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Socialism in One Country was a temporary state which would use Russia as a base for communism to spread. By 1939, Stalin was creating a military machine that very well could have been capable of subjugating all of Europe, and it was only the Second World War that prevented this.
And the advent of the nuclear bomb.
I wholly believe that the Soviets could've push the allies out of Europe post-ww2.
Defeated the US on their own soil? Not so much.
by The Widening Gyre » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:08 pm
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:10 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Considering his policy of Socialism-in-one-country, I doubt that.
And at any rate, cuckolding your army so thoroughly that it can barely defeat Finland isn't exactly helping Communist ambitions.
SiOC meant "let's not declare war on the whole planet," not that Stalin stopped supportioning internationalism
by Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:11 pm
by Sanctissima » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:12 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:12 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:14 pm
Genivaria wrote:The Widening Gyre wrote:
The John McCain of late republican Rome was an inheritor of an older Greek tradition. If he should get credit for anything, it's the historical happenstance that lead to his discovery in the Renaissance.
Besides which Renaissance Humanism is not what most people are talking about when they use the word Humanism today.
Which is why I accused Parkus of being incapable of nuance.
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