It’s also the holy land of the Muslims, just saying. No one’s religion is valid over another’s.
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by Alliance of Free Planets » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pm
by Ors Might » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pm
by The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Cyrothica wrote:You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 8b%29.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory ... mographics
In 1945, 60% of people in Palestine were Muslims.
by The Alma Mater » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm
Ors Might wrote:Alliance of Free Planets wrote:He is inferring that approving that Jerusalem is israel’s Capital, trump is indirectly allowing Israel to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians
That’s ridiculous. The Israel-Palestine conflict was a clusterfuck long before Trump. In what way does this particular screw up in anyway hint at supporting ethnic cleansing. You’d have to be actively assuming the worst to come near that conclusion.
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm
True, but if Islam has a shred of dignity they wouldn't act like a victim.Deian salazar wrote:1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people but still an ally of many Muslim governments.(Most likely)
Doubtful, I mean who'd cause a war merely on recognition. There is no casus belli whatsoever unless you count the "reclaim Jerusalem" one which has happened multiple times already.2: Cause a holy war(Extremely unlikely but possible if things get bad enough. Not impossible, but quite implausible.).
Maybe, Turks already grumble with us, but I don't think there would be a big reaction. Besides we're starting to pull out of the region.3: Many Muslim states cut off all ties with USA(Still pretty unlikely but more likely than the Holy War.)
4: Some Muslim states limit access to oil and use that as leverage(Unsure of this, it is a major Saud money-maker and they may be quite hesitant to do it, but it's not impossible realistically. Could still happen. Slightly but not much more likely than the Holy War.)
Either way, this is going to cause issue with the Israel-Palestinian peace process, in my personal opinion and result in another unneeded crisis, even if you support Israel strongly, you gotta agree this is another headache not worth creating.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm
by The Scarlet Eagle » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm
by Gig em Aggies » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm
Deian salazar wrote:Cyrothica wrote:You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.
A commie flag doesn't mean you are Commie.
China is more Fascist than Communist now, debatably, but with Communist propaganda.
I dislike both ideologies so fml.
by MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:MERIZoC wrote:Do you mean to say that good C-c-chirstians are oppressed by Israel too??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHO77XX-hiE
by The Alma Mater » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm
by Gagium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm
Deian salazar wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-turkey-organization-islamic-cooperation/
Yup. Trump did it. The madman did it. He's caused another unnecessary crisis, just like Yemen and Qatar.
Yes I am aware of the argument for doing it, but this will cause another diplomatic crisis even if they stay our allies, it will strain ties further.
I personally think one of 4 things will happen:
1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people but still an ally of many Muslim governments.(Most likely)
2: Cause a holy war(Extremely unlikely but possible if things get bad enough. Not impossible, but quite implausible.).
3: Many Muslim states cut off all ties with USA(Still pretty unlikely but more likely than the Holy War.)
4: Some Muslim states limit access to oil and use that as leverage(Unsure of this, it is a major Saud money-maker and they may be quite hesitant to do it, but it's not impossible realistically. Could still happen. Slightly but not much more likely than the Holy War.)
Either way, this is going to cause issue with the Israel-Palestinian peace process, in my personal opinion and result in another unneeded crisis, even if you support Israel strongly, you gotta agree this is another headache not worth creating.
To me he f*cked up, I'd have said this of any President, whether I liked Muslims or not this is strategically a poor move.
by Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm
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by The Conez Imperium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm
Deian salazar wrote:Cyrothica wrote:You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.
A commie flag doesn't mean you are Commie.
China is more Fascist than Communist now, debatably, but with Communist propaganda.
I dislike both ideologies so fml.
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm
The of Japan wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 8b%29.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory ... mographics
In 1945, 60% of people in Palestine were Muslims.
Why did the partition plan of 1948 be rejected by the Palestinians?
by The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pm
Liriena wrote:Nothing like adding just a little bit more fuel to the Israeli dumpster fire and squandering whatever good faith the United States had with Israel's opponents for no apparent reason beyond being a bumbling idiot.
Yeah, this was a bad move.
by Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pm
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by MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pm
by Thermodolia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pm
Deian salazar wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?
2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?
1: Not officially. Edit: Though now it is officially to the USA. But no other nation has recognized it as that as the Muslims don't want it to be seen that way.
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm
by The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm
by Ors Might » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Ors Might wrote:That’s ridiculous. The Israel-Palestine conflict was a clusterfuck long before Trump. In what way does this particular screw up in anyway hint at supporting ethnic cleansing. You’d have to be actively assuming the worst to come near that conclusion.
You mean "be a realist with a basic understanding of human nature" ?
by Kennlind » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm
MERIZoC wrote:Kennlind wrote:No they're not.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/palestinian-christians-burn-trump-posters-in-bethlehem-in-fury-over-embassy/
Shit I wonder why they're doing this then
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