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by Talchyon » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:59 am
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by Economa Incorporated » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:30 pm
Rostavykhan wrote:Whatever you say, Swith. I buy it.
This still doesn't exactly address the issue. If this ruling makes it so that player like myself, GT, Bran, or other players you know could not volunteer, then it's still not exactly fair because a P2TM community event is hosted by a single group who can decide who and who can't be judges.
What if a group like The Pub, or The Anime Group (not calling you lads out, y'all are cool) hosted an event and made it so that a certain player couldn't be a judge or host a panel due to them being unwelcome on that group's site or forum?
by Rostavykhan » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:56 pm
Economa Incorporated wrote:Rostavykhan wrote:Whatever you say, Swith. I buy it.
This still doesn't exactly address the issue. If this ruling makes it so that player like myself, GT, Bran, or other players you know could not volunteer, then it's still not exactly fair because a P2TM community event is hosted by a single group who can decide who and who can't be judges.
What if a group like The Pub, or The Anime Group (not calling you lads out, y'all are cool) hosted an event and made it so that a certain player couldn't be a judge or host a panel due to them being unwelcome on that group's site or forum?
The group as a whole and the players who organize this have both specifically stated that they will politely reject any nominations. Judges are not allowed to work on a category they submit in. Submissions are blind to remove bias for or against the author. These measures make things pretty fair. Organizationally, it cannot all be hosted here - things like judge-visibly-only forum sections are needed, that require an offsite to be used. While your complaints could be aimed at *any* potential offsite host, I think there's a good deal of trust in these ones, who have put in the work for years, to continue to recuse themselves where they cannot be impartial.
You can always host your own event, if you think you can do it better - some years, GP has 2-4 different award events. Just know that it's a lot of work to even keep an event going, much less start one, and that the long-running one usually retains an advantage
by Economa Incorporated » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:12 pm
by Rostavykhan » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:18 pm
Economa Incorporated wrote:As would be the case anywhere judges are selected? Any community has banned a few players from it; any community would have the same issue where a small handful of players would be unable to have the necessary forum access.
Given the only 100% disqualifier being given is "you've been full-on banned from the hosting community for egregious misbehavior, and ergo are one of approximately three people who are unable to be judges due to necessary forum access," and that even those player are still allowed to participate in the event as a whole, I don't think there's any huge problem here. Diversity in judging is more than possible in this situation, and the judging process can be, and is, still fair.
by Economa Incorporated » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:30 pm
Rostavykhan wrote:Economa Incorporated wrote:As would be the case anywhere judges are selected? Any community has banned a few players from it; any community would have the same issue where a small handful of players would be unable to have the necessary forum access.
Given the only 100% disqualifier being given is "you've been full-on banned from the hosting community for egregious misbehavior, and ergo are one of approximately three people who are unable to be judges due to necessary forum access," and that even those player are still allowed to participate in the event as a whole, I don't think there's any huge problem here. Diversity in judging is more than possible in this situation, and the judging process can be, and is, still fair.
I fail to see how.
Why not host judging on Discord or Skype, neither of which is owned by a single clique or individual? Besides, again, a single group's influence should not keep another independent player from taking part.
by Rostavykhan » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:40 pm
Economa Incorporated wrote:Rostavykhan wrote:
I fail to see how.
Why not host judging on Discord or Skype, neither of which is owned by a single clique or individual? Besides, again, a single group's influence should not keep another independent player from taking part.
A discord or skype chat would still be managed by a specific group, no matter what.
You are still welcome to take part in the event, and even possibly win a category, as has been abundantly clear. You are welcome to make nominations, or be nominated. The judge selection is diverse, the judges cannot judge themselves, judging of writing is done blind to the author, and the organization/leading planners have recused themselves from nomination entirely. The process is exceedingly fair, despite your personal beef and ban.
The organizing group is under no obligation to accept your presence after how you've treated them, and their rejection thereof simply does not neuter the entire event.
If you are unhappy with that, feel free to boycott the event or start a competing one.
by Swith Witherward » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:27 pm
Rostavykhan wrote:Because of the way I treated them? I'll make sure to reflect on my sins while absolving them of their sins, like the harassment or threats I've had in the past
Rostavykhan wrote:or their little feuds against other P2TM'ers...
Rostavykhan wrote:like implying that a certain other RP rigged in the past.
Rostavykhan wrote:Just saying.
Rostavykhan wrote:This has nothing to do with my beef with them like you seem to think
Rostavykhan wrote:or like they seem to want to make you believe.
Rostavykhan wrote:I'm critical of this because it's an arbitrary and silly rule.
Rostavykhan wrote:A Discord or Skype carried out by, say, a player who isn't in P2TM, or a Mod, would be more impartial.
Rostavykhan wrote:If you want to bring up my sins though, I'm happy to point out those of the other side.
Rostavykhan wrote:But I suppose it doesn't matter so long as P2TM gets it silly awards given to them by their masters.
I'll make sure to ask about potential boycotts or rival awards.
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by Talchyon » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:17 pm
Talchyon wrote:Ok, so I had another question.
Can you nominate a post that was a co-write post that you were involved in co-writing? Or does that also have to come from a 3rd party not involved in the writing of it?
'Cause I've done a few this year, and I thought they were well done...
-Talc
Talchyon wrote:Hi everyone.
First, thanks for getting this up and going again. I will be submitting a nomination form in the near future.
Second, I'm surprised that there was no category mentioned for Best Historical RP. If there was one that was worthy, should we put this in miscellaneous category?
-Talc
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by Swith Witherward » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:38 pm
Talchyon wrote:Talchyon wrote:Ok, so I had another question.
Can you nominate a post that was a co-write post that you were involved in co-writing? Or does that also have to come from a 3rd party not involved in the writing of it?
'Cause I've done a few this year, and I thought they were well done...
-TalcTalchyon wrote:Hi everyone.
First, thanks for getting this up and going again. I will be submitting a nomination form in the near future.
Second, I'm surprised that there was no category mentioned for Best Historical RP. If there was one that was worthy, should we put this in miscellaneous category?
-Talc
I'm still waiting for answers to these questions, if someone who knows can fill me in too. Thanks.
-Talc
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by Esternial » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:49 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:42 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:44 pm
by Swith Witherward » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:18 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:In addition, if their is an issue with the hosting of the awards I am more than willing to lend the awards space (for free of course) on my own servers in order to provide a space where everyone can participate with an administrator who will not ban for prior offenses, and who will only administrate the forum based on activity that occurs on it.
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and humanities and their replacement by entertainment,
self-righteousness, ignorance, and deliberate gullibility. - sauce
by Talchyon » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:44 pm
Swith Witherward wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:In addition, if their is an issue with the hosting of the awards I am more than willing to lend the awards space (for free of course) on my own servers in order to provide a space where everyone can participate with an administrator who will not ban for prior offenses, and who will only administrate the forum based on activity that occurs on it.
Thanks for the offer, Vak. I appreciate it and will keep it in mind for next year (less work for me, yay!) We've already set up for this year. Everyone can access the host forum in order to read entries and the judges' scores. Only judges have to register (in order to post a score).
Talc, regarding your question about a Historical category. After a brief chat with planners/Mints... Given it's not a genre we see by itself very often, it might be better to nominate the RP in the closest category, be it slice of life, war, misc, etc. For example, an RP centered around pioneers joining a wagon train to travel west would be historical in nature but, if the story itself depicts daily life for them, then it would be under that category. The option that worked well for us last year was that the OP decided what category best fit his/her/their concept. We don't mind moving a nomination to a different category if an OP requests it.
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by Swith Witherward » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:54 pm
Talchyon wrote:Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I now know better where to slot possible nominations I'm doing.
-Talc
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by The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:32 pm
by Barapam » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:15 pm
by Talchyon » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:20 pm
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by Swith Witherward » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:58 am
Barapam wrote:Can I nominate several people/rp:s for the same category? Like "Best OP: X, Y, and Z."
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by Talchyon » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:39 am
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:47 am
Talchyon wrote:
Hi. I guess I didn't realize that on my nomination for Hogwarts, a single IC thread was to be nominated. I just thought that since it's all one RP, all of them applied.
But if needs be, we can go with Season 4. No reason. Just because it's the most recently completed.
-Talc
by Talchyon » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:48 am
The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:Talchyon wrote:
Hi. I guess I didn't realize that on my nomination for Hogwarts, a single IC thread was to be nominated. I just thought that since it's all one RP, all of them applied.
But if needs be, we can go with Season 4. No reason. Just because it's the most recently completed.
-Talc
As someone in that rp, season 4 is definitely our best completed work, though if you want the ongoing one season 5 is at the same level if not better.
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by Remnants of Exilvania » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:35 pm
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