[PASSED] Commend Goobergunchia

[Todd McCloud]

After a successful interview with the nation in question, I have drummed up an adequate commendation. But I want to hear what the rest of the council has to say, and any notes of additions or subtractions would be appreciated.

Here is the current draft:

RECOGNIZING Goobergunchia for the creation of the first Nation States' wiki, NSwiki, a highly informative and detailed account of in-game incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, events, and terminology.

NOTING Goobergunchia's successful drafting and passage of Nation States United Nations (NSUN) Resolution #22, a resolution which had prohibited pedophilia, and Security Council Resolution #4, Liberate Belgium.

UNDERSTANDING the various positions Goobergunchia has held throughout history, including Deputy Secretary of State in the Alliance Defense Network and Secretary-General of Red Liberty Alliance.

HEREBY commends Goobergunchia in the form of an official commendation by the World Assembly

Here's some links:
Jolt post annoucning the NS wiki opening: http://forums.joltonline.com/showthread.php?t=361994
Story behind WA Resolution #22: http://nswiki.net/index.php?title=Outlaw_Pedophilia


The original draft:

RECOGNIZING the nation of Goobergunchia for the creation of the NationStates' wikipedia, NSwiki, a highly informative and detailed account of both in-game and out-of-game incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

NOTING the nation's successful drafting and passage of World Assembly Resolution #22, which prohibits pedophilia and remains a beacon of morality since its inclusion.

UNDERSTANDING the various positions the nation has held throughout its history, including Deputy Secretary of State in the Alliance Defense Network and Secretary of Red Liberty Alliance.

HEREBY commends Goobergunchia in the form of an official commendation by the World Assembly

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

RECOGNIZING the nation of Goobergrunchia for the creation of the NationStates' wikipedia, NSwiki, a highly informative and detailed account of both in-game and out-of-game incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

1. You need to decide who you are commending, the nation or the player. The nation of Goobergunchia didn't create NSWiki, the player did.

2. As I've mentioned elsewhere, it's possible to do this without even mentioning offsite places by name. And I believe it would be preferable to do so.

NOTING the nation's successful drafting and passage of World Assembly Resolution #22, which prohibits pedophilia and remains a beacon of morality since its inclusion.

World Assembly Resolution #22 is Diplomat Protection Act. I believe you meant to say UNR #22 Outlaw Pedophilia

UNDERSTANDING the various positions the nation has held throughout its history, including Deputy Secretary of State in the Alliance Defense Network and Secretary of Red Liberty Alliance.

Again, this is confusing. A nation cannot be a Deputy Secretary of State.

[Unibot]

NOTING the nation's successful drafting and passage of World Assembly Resolution #22, which prohibits pedophilia and remains a beacon of morality since its inclusion.

The 22nd WA Resolution was the Diplomat Protection Act!

Outlaw Pedophilia was a United Nations Resolution.

[edit] Rarh, beaten to the punch by Railguns.. [/edit]

[Quintessence of Dust]

WA Resolution #22 is the Diplomat Protection Act. Outlaw Pedophilia was UN Resolution #22, is no longer force, and was, by the open admission of its author who subsequently supported Stephistan's Child Protection Act, solely a tactical move that was, in legislative terms, rather deficient.

And a law saying "please don't fuck children" seems to me less than beacon-like.

[Todd McCloud]

Watch your language.

Fixed the resolution confusion, decided to commend the player rather than the nation itself.

[Quintessence of Dust]

You're missing my point: Outlaw Pedophilia does not prohibit paedophilia. It sits on a wall, looking pretty. It is no longer an active law, and it no more prohibits paedophilia than does the Waste Disposal Covenant govern environmental laws. Neither of them have any force; you need to change "prohibits" to "used to prohibit, but doesn't anymore".

I also note with amusement, though not a great deal of surprise, that a Naughty Word used in perfect accuracy is considered more profane than defiling everything the WA players have spent years contributing to with your abject filth.

[Unibot]

So can we mention the United Nations (as "the previous incarnation of the WA") to acknowledge the work done by UN proposal writers whose work changed the world, back in the day?

*looks back on "Commend Jay"*

[Urgench]

Watch your language.

Fixed the resolution confusion, decided to commend the player rather than the nation itself.

Sorry did you just morph in to a Mod ?

[Todd McCloud]

You're missing my point: Outlaw Pedophilia does not prohibit paedophilia. It sits on a wall, looking pretty. It is no longer an active law, and it no more prohibits paedophilia than does the Waste Disposal Covenant govern environmental laws. Neither of them have any force; you need to change "prohibits" to "used to prohibit, but doesn't anymore".

I also note with amusement, though not a great deal of surprise, that a Naughty Word used in perfect accuracy is considered more profane than defiling everything the WA players have spent years contributing to with your abject filth.

Changed.

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

RECOGNIZING the player behind the nation Goobergunchia

That's just fucking stupid. Are we really going to do this again?

What would be wrong with:

RECOGNIZING Goobergunchia for his efforts to archive the history and records of NationStates and the creation of a highly informative and detailed account of incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

So can we mention the United Nations (as "the previous incarnation of the WA") to acknowledge the work done by UN proposal writers whose work changed the world, back in the day?

*looks back on "Commend Jay"*

When referencing a UN resolution it would probably be better to say "UNR #" or "NSUN Resolution #", rather than have the prohibited name of the organization which shall not be mentioned.

[Todd McCloud]

RECOGNIZING the player behind the nation Goobergunchia

That's just fucking stupid. Are we really going to do this again?

What would be wrong with:

RECOGNIZING Goobergunchia for his efforts to archive the history and records of NationStates and the creation of a highly informative and detailed account of incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

Fixed.

[Unibot]

RECOGNIZING Goobergunchia for his efforts to archive the history and records of NationStates and the creation of a highly informative and detailed account of incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

For IC-sake, could we change NationStates to "nation-states"? It suggests the same thing...

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

Watch your language.

just noticed this. Make me.

And yes, I know, a mod will probably be here shortly to make me, but it isn't your place to tell us to "watch our language".

[Todd McCloud]

RECOGNIZING Goobergunchia for his efforts to archive the history and records of NationStates and the creation of a highly informative and detailed account of incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

For IC-sake, could we change NationStates to "nation-states"? It suggests the same thing...

Fixed.

[Goobergunchia]

Except for matters of factual accuracy and responses to direct questions, we feel that it would be improper for us to directly participate in this discussion and therefore shall refrain from doing so.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Retired Officer, Nasicournia

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

RECOGNIZING Goobergunchia for his efforts to archive the history and records of NationStates and the creation of a highly informative and detailed account of incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

For IC-sake, could we change NationStates to "nation-states"? It suggests the same thing...

Hmm. I think some refer to it as NationStates IC. I know I have had my characters say "NationStates Multiverse" IC. Doesn't really matter to me. C&Cs don't have to follow GA RP conventions anyway.

[Unibot]

RECOGNIZING Goobergunchia for the creation of the Nation-States' wikipedia, NSwiki, a highly informative and detailed account of both in-game and out-of-game incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

Eh.. If you're going to include 'wikipedia' and 'NSwiki' in the wording, you might as well as lose the dash between Nation and States.
I apologize, I thought you followed Railgun's suggestion more closely, when you said 'fixed!'

[Unibot]

NSwiki is a wiki, by the way. Not a 'Wikipedia'.

Plus NSwiki isn't offical, nor universally used. So it isn't "the" NationStates' Wiki. There are other creditable alternatives...

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

Except for matters of factual accuracy and responses to direct questions, we feel that it would be improper for us to directly participate in this discussion and therefore shall refrain from doing so.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Retired Officer, Nasicournia

Can I ask you a question though, because it's relevant?

This can be written to commend the nation of Goobergunchia or you, the player. I don't think it's proper or advisable to try to do both. So my question is, do you ICly consider NSWiki to be the work of the Goobergunchian government? Or do you consider it the work of you, the player?

Personally, if I was writing this I would rather commend the nation. That's not a slight against you, the player either. If someone were to commend me I would prefer they commend one of my nations. I would be baffled by the idea of the WA commending me personally. But if NSWiki is the work of the player rather than (ICly) the nation then this probably needs to be written to commend the player.

[Goobergunchia]

Can I ask you a question though, because it's relevant?

This can be written to commend the nation of Goobergunchia or you, the player. I don't think it's proper or advisable to try to do both. So my question is, do you ICly consider NSWiki to be the work of the Goobergunchian government? Or do you consider it the work of you, the player?

Personally, if I was writing this I would rather commend the nation. That's not a slight against you, the player either. If someone were to commend me I would prefer they commend one of my nations. I would be baffled by the idea of the WA commending me personally. But if NSWiki is the work of the player rather than (ICly) the nation then this probably needs to be written to commend the player.

NSwiki is designed to pertain to anything and everything involving NationStates. This includes RP, Gameplay, Forum 7 memes, you name it. As it's not at all limited to an RP-IC context and a lot of the administrative stuff I do is definitely OOC, the totality of NSwiki is really more of an OOC/RL construct than an IC one.

However, to permit RPed references to NSwiki, I've said before that I consider NSwiki to also exist in the RP-IC Goobergunchia. In this context, NSwiki does exist as a Goobergunchian government project (the "Wiki Project") and is hosted on a big server farm somewhere in the middle of the country. Of course, any RP references to NSwiki would by necessity exclude the non-RP content, as well as much of the meta-discussion on the site.

This has been an OOC post.

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

Can I ask you a question though, because it's relevant?

This can be written to commend the nation of Goobergunchia or you, the player. I don't think it's proper or advisable to try to do both. So my question is, do you ICly consider NSWiki to be the work of the Goobergunchian government? Or do you consider it the work of you, the player?

Personally, if I was writing this I would rather commend the nation. That's not a slight against you, the player either. If someone were to commend me I would prefer they commend one of my nations. I would be baffled by the idea of the WA commending me personally. But if NSWiki is the work of the player rather than (ICly) the nation then this probably needs to be written to commend the player.

NSwiki is designed to pertain to anything and everything involving NationStates. This includes RP, Gameplay, Forum 7 memes, you name it. As it's not at all limited to an RP-IC context and a lot of the administrative stuff I do is definitely OOC, the totality of NSwiki is really more of an OOC/RL construct than an IC one.

However, to permit RPed references to NSwiki, I've said before that I consider NSwiki to also exist in the RP-IC Goobergunchia. In this context, NSwiki does exist as a Goobergunchian government project (the "Wiki Project") and is hosted on a big server farm somewhere in the middle of the country. Of course, any RP references to NSwiki would by necessity exclude the non-RP content, as well as much of the meta-discussion on the site.

This has been an OOC post.

Well I suppose it could be written either way then. Thanks.



Todd, if you don't already have me on ignore, how about these for possible texts:

Commending the player

RECOGNIZING Goobergunchia for the creation of NSwiki, a highly informative and detailed account of both in-game and out-of-game incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events.

NOTING Goobergunchia's successful drafting and passage of NSUN Resolution #22, a resolution which had prohibited pedophilia.

UNDERSTANDING the various positions Goobergunchia has held throughout his history, including Deputy Secretary of State in the Alliance Defense Network and Secretary of Red Liberty Alliance.

HEREBY commends Goobergunchia in the form of an official commendation by the World Assembly.

Commending the nation

RECOGNIZING the nation of Goobergunchia for the creation of the Wiki Project, a highly informative and detailed account of incidents, resolutions, national profiles, region profiles, history, and events in NationStates.

NOTING the Goobergunchian delegation's successful drafting and passage of NSUN Resolution #22, a resolution which had prohibited pedophilia.

UNDERSTANDING the various positions Goobergunchians have held throughout history, including Deputy Secretary of State in the Alliance Defense Network and Secretary of Red Liberty Alliance.

HEREBY commends Goobergunchia in the form of an official commendation by the World Assembly.

[Sionis Prioratus]

Frankly I do think Goober is exceedingly worthy of praise, but after the shooting down of "Commend Jey", I have lost all my faith in the relevance and future of the Security Council.

A place that is able to commend WFE colors but not the daunting effort of Repealing piles, unending continents of shit is not anymore deserving of my attention. (Todd, nothing personal: I know you and Sydia voted FOR "Commend Jey".)

I'd say "Yours," and credentials, but everything around here is OOC, anyway.

[Quintessence of Dust]

I don't understand why it's imperative to commend the player, not the nation. The nation of Goobergunchia didn't set up NSwiki: the player did. If you're worried about preserving the fourth wall: sorry, that's already been shattered.

[Todd McCloud]

NSwiki is a wiki, by the way. Not a 'Wikipedia'.

Plus NSwiki isn't offical, nor universally used. So it isn't "the" NationStates' Wiki. There are other creditable alternatives...

Fixed. I changed it to read 'the first Nation States wiki'