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by Trotterdam » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:51 am
by The Marsupial Illuminati » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:02 am
by Bears Armed » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:59 am
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:How about internship? Do you (you or anyone else reading this post) think that it could make a good issue?
by Bears Armed » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:08 am
by Jutsa » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:17 am
by Ransium » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:46 pm
Trotterdam wrote:Hey, Ransium has a new name color!
by Australian rePublic » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:09 pm
by Australian rePublic » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:48 am
by Singapore no2 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:16 am
Australian Republic wrote:How does an issue for non-binary people in gendered languages sound?
This is a Modern-Tech nation. We only put a satellite and a man into space so far.
We are a Middle power, so if we die, so will some of the global economy.
We have the 8th largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. (RL world)
Pro: Regulations, Military, Law and Order
Anti: Freedom of speech, Discrimination, CHEWING GUM
Just so you know, I don't think like that. That stuff is roleplaying Singapore (itself, the real life nation)
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by Jutsa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:06 am
by Australian rePublic » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:52 am
by Bears Armed » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:59 am
by Drasnia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:04 am
by Luna Amore » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:20 am
by Shwe Tu Colony » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:06 pm
During a friendly discussion about tourism with (another nation), your ambassador accidentally raised his pitch in fear several times in a conversation due to the constant reappearance of a spider. Due to how the discussion was spoken in a tonal language, (another nation's) rather incompetent diplomat thought that your ambassador was intentionally changing the pitch of his voice and was declaring war, among other offensive statements. In outrage, their (another nation) has declared war and encouraged embargoes against you.
Option 1: Try to tell them that your diplomat screwed up and to calm down, including the thing with the spider (another nation, however, finds spiders sacred and not frightful at all).
Effect 1: @@NATION@@ is regarded as laughingstock by (another nation) for their arachnophobia.
Option 2: Use the military on them.
Effect 2: Foreign diplomats are careful with homophones when speaking with @@NATION@@ in order to avoid war.
Option 3: Send in additional diplomats per meeting to ensure miscommunication does not happen.
Effect 3: Foreign diplomats need to host meetings in ballrooms for all of @@NATION@@'s ambassadors.
Option 4: Make your diplomats emotionless (so they can't feel the fear that caused the ambassador to raise his pitch).
Effect 4: @@NATION@@'s ambassadors sound like a more accurate machine translator.
by USS Monitor » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:16 am
Shwe Tu Colony wrote:This discussion gives me an idea for an issue where a diplomat to a nation with a tonal language screws up in what they say. I wrote a quick description & possible options & effects for it.During a friendly discussion about tourism with (another nation), your ambassador accidentally raised his pitch in fear several times in a conversation due to the constant reappearance of a spider. Due to how the discussion was spoken in a tonal language, (another nation's) rather incompetent diplomat thought that your ambassador was intentionally changing the pitch of his voice and was declaring war, among other offensive statements. In outrage, their (another nation) has declared war and encouraged embargoes against you.
Option 1: Try to tell them that your diplomat screwed up and to calm down, including the thing with the spider (another nation, however, finds spiders sacred and not frightful at all).
Effect 1: @@NATION@@ is regarded as laughingstock by (another nation) for their arachnophobia.
Option 2: Use the military on them.
Effect 2: Foreign diplomats are careful with homophones when speaking with @@NATION@@ in order to avoid war.
Option 3: Send in additional diplomats per meeting to ensure miscommunication does not happen.
Effect 3: Foreign diplomats need to host meetings in ballrooms for all of @@NATION@@'s ambassadors.
Option 4: Make your diplomats emotionless (so they can't feel the fear that caused the ambassador to raise his pitch).
Effect 4: @@NATION@@'s ambassadors sound like a more accurate machine translator.
After writing this I realized this story could just as easily be told with your diplomat saying near-homophones instead of involving a tonal language.
by Australian rePublic » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:13 am
by Jutsa » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:57 am
by USS Monitor » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:25 pm
Australian Republic wrote:Sounds interesting, but I think that tonal languages all have different types of tonalness. Ensure you specify which type you refer to and base your issues on that
by Australian rePublic » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:03 pm
Bears Armed wrote:There's a dispute going on in RL France at the moment abut what gender to use for any combination of one or more 'masculine' nouns & one or more 'feminine' nouns: Historically, in French as governed by the Academie Francaise, any combination including at least one 'masculine' noun has counted as 'masculine',: Now, however, but it's now being suggested that one or another of several possible alternatives (such as using the gender of whichever noun is listed last in the combination, or using whichever gender has the most nouns -- or maybe the most people/objects/whatever -- in that combination) should become the rule instead.
by Australian rePublic » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:19 pm
by Trotterdam » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:27 pm
You could just use both. I mean, we do address mixed-gender groups with "ladies and gentlemen" rather than arguing about whether we should count ladies as also being gentlemen or count gentlemen as also being ladies.Bears Armed wrote:There's a dispute going on in RL France at the moment abut what gender to use for any combination of one or more 'masculine' nouns & one or more 'feminine' nouns: Historically, in French as governed by the Academie Francaise, any combination including at least one 'masculine' noun has counted as 'masculine',: Now, however, but it's now being suggested that one or another of several possible alternatives (such as using the gender of whichever noun is listed last in the combination, or using whichever gender has the most nouns -- or maybe the most people/objects/whatever -- in that combination) should become the rule instead.
by Shwe Tu Colony » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:08 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Australian Republic wrote:Sounds interesting, but I think that tonal languages all have different types of tonalness. Ensure you specify which type you refer to and base your issues on that
The issue already explains what the problem was. It doesn't need to go into detail about mechanics of the language. And simply using Daguo as the NPC nation would imply the language is similar to Chinese -- even though those types of misunderstandings in Chinese are less of a problem than people make them out to be. People can usually guess what you meant by context, even if you get a few tones wrong, but I think for issues purposes it's OK to exaggerate the risk of misunderstandings.
by Singapore no2 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:14 pm
This is a Modern-Tech nation. We only put a satellite and a man into space so far.
We are a Middle power, so if we die, so will some of the global economy.
We have the 8th largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. (RL world)
Pro: Regulations, Military, Law and Order
Anti: Freedom of speech, Discrimination, CHEWING GUM
Just so you know, I don't think like that. That stuff is roleplaying Singapore (itself, the real life nation)
Fauxia wrote:Editors aren’t real people.
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