by Republic of Keshiland » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:56 pm
by Greed and Death » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:04 pm
by True South Vietnam » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:05 pm
Herador wrote:This is going to descend into Ancapistan memes before page 4
by Len Hyet » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:12 pm
Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA
Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.
Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.
Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.
Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.
Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.
You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.
My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.
by Republic of Keshiland » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:15 pm
Len Hyet wrote:Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA
Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.
Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.
Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.
Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.
Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.
You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.
My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.
Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.
I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.
by Len Hyet » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:17 pm
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.
I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.
Privet entities do not need to allow constitutional rights on their property or in their business. I would not be required at all to allow say firearms on my property or business property.
by The Two Jerseys » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:04 am
Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA
Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.
Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.
Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.
Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.
Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.
You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.
My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.
by Pilarcraft » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:08 am
B.P.D.: Dossier on parallel home-worlds released, will be updated regularly to include more encountered in the Convergence.
by The New Fandom Republic » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:08 am
by Genivaria » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:03 am
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.
by Pope Joan » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:22 am
by Anarchitaria » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:25 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:34 am
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.
I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.
Privet entities do not need to allow constitutional rights on their property or in their business. I would not be required at all to allow say firearms on my property or business property.
by Anarchitaria » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:53 am
by Risottia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:58 am
Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.
I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.
by Sovaal » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:12 am
Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA
Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.
Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.
Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.
Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.
Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.
You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.
My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.
by Ethel mermania » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:25 am
Len Hyet wrote:Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA
Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.
Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.
Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.
Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.
Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.
You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.
My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.
Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.
I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.
by Gun Manufacturers » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:36 am
Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA
Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.
Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.
Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.
Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.
Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.
You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.
My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.
Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...
Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo
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by Sovaal » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:40 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.
I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.
Curses, foiled again
by Khasinkonia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:41 am
by Gun Manufacturers » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:44 am
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.
I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.
Privet entities do not need to allow constitutional rights on their property or in their business. I would not be required at all to allow say firearms on my property or business property.
Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...
Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo
Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.
Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.
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