Infantry Discussion Thread part 11: Gallas Razor edition.

[Kyrusia]

These threads always have and always will have banter, despite countless warnings, bans and locks over the years. Going after it now is pointless. That's just a fact.

I (and the rest of the Mods) don't mind a degree of banter, but the fact is, a preponderance of the so-called "banter" in these threads fails the Average Joe™ test or is just outright trolling. That will not be accepted. It will result in warnings, bans, and - if persistent - a moratorium on any thread franchise which fosters this sort of behavior, tolerates it, or acts as a haven for it. If the userbase of these threads proves so unwilling to modify that behavior, we can - and will - indefinitely prohibit the thread franchises as-needed; we've done it before, we can, and will, do it again when required.

We do not care if y'all want to call yourselves whatever you want, shitpost as much as you want, or shit-talk as much as you want somewhere other than NationStates. If it's here, it will be stopped; take it to your Discord(s), IRC(s), Skype, offsite forum(s); we do not care where, as long as it is not on any website where our rules have jurisdiction. As long as you are on a site where they do, they will be enforced.

[Kazarogkai]

Thought I'd give some short term sperg as I am quite bored and as usual after a long shift I have become wide awake upon returning home.

There does not exist a firearm that has a higher chance of achieving a single shot incapacitation on a human target than a shotgun at close range. inside of 10 meters, a 12 gauge shotgun fired to a human target with 00 buck will damage the majority of major soft organs, cause significant soft tissue damage, create multiple wound channels, cause a hypotensive emergency and purely has no equal in terms of single shot power within this envelope.

After a long night in the ED I had just sat down to my computer to answer some emails. I had even pulled up my mobile Teamspeak application to connect with my Spergkin and talk with some former, and some current NSers I am glad to call friends (and one begrudgingly-he IS a Manlet, after all) and some non-NSers. I was looking forward to taking ten minutes to myself.

But no. My phone vibrated suddenly, the same three pulse vibration I get from my hospitals internal memo application. The message popped on my phone.

"Inbound GSW, (my city) ALS Truck 42"

So I went down to the ED and grabbed the headset we use to talk to incoming ambulances. I received the code and patch from the inbound medic who relayed the information to me-Male, late 20s, gunshot wound, Anterior chest, multiple large entrance and several small exit wounds. Blood pressure 148/84, GCS 6, H/R 110, resperatory compromise, 22/Min but maintained via Endotracheal tube with open Pneumothorax currently attempting to resolve. ETA six minutes.

I prepared myself. The trauma nurses and PA, the ED Paramedics and two residents swirrled to trauma receiving as a OR Nurse went and got room C ready for us. My resident for the day looked sick. He had never had a shooting before-this would be his first, and it was a hell of an introduction to shootings. I told him what to expect, and not to take anything I said personally, and if I start speaking Russian to just say English, and I'll correct myself. I told him that the total number of entry and exists would determine our interventions, and that the medic would not be able to supply us with those numbers as he was alone in the back, and if he had tubed the patient, he wasn't going to be rolling him.

The patient arrived after a moment of pregnant silence that makes me wish I never quit smoking. The bay went from silence except the distant sound of the air vents circulation cycle to the distinctive rattling of the stretcher and my head trauma nurse Noah's distinctive Bostonian accent issuing orders. The patients tube was in place, resperstions were being maintained, and plasma was being shunted.

I looked him over. A perfect candidate for surgery. Vitals in tollerances limits. Serious intervention needed to stabilize. If stabilized no major long term effects likely. Excellent.

Prepped and ready we wished our human ballistic gel off. Imaging gave me the story I was expecting and my once over told me I was dealing with a 12 gauge GSW with buckshot-I never see anything but 00 buck, slug or #7½ bird, and this was obviously buck.

My resident, pale as a ghost still beneith his PPE and gloved hands trembling at the thought of stabilizing such a serious set of injuries, nodded to me as I began my task as a human butcher, cutting, pasting, and stitching holes and perforations of the thoracic cavity, as the repertory specialist, ORN, Anesthesiologist and other cogs of the machine that is the modern surgical theater said words I didn't care much for, numbers I didn't pay attention to, and had conversations I didn't listen to. Unless I hear them say my name, my ears are shut or tuned to the music playing through the speakers that every OR has-the most important of the creature comforts besides climate control for most OR staff, and the reason why theatre C is so coveted.

My patient was not in good shape. A low BF% and unpalatable radial pulse, JVD I could have spotted across the room, track marks and lips that had been chewed to hell tell me a opioid derived swan song that has become my home cities biggest hit since 2012. This isnt a new story, and it's not even one that adds a new twist.
This is Friday night.

The drug life did no favours when the ire of someone welding a 12 gauge came down upon my patient. The wounds were spread out so as the entirety of the forgot was hit-our lowest verifiable entry wound was only just superior to the ischial tuberosity, and our highest struck 5cm above the nipple. This patient was what I would describe, in a less clinical environment, as "up shit creak without a paddle".

After getting to a position I felt my resident couldn't fuck up, I began to instruct him in the importance of what I was doing, how to do it, and what to do if it doesn't work. I explained carefully the details of controlling major bleeds in the arteries and remarked how good the body is at helping itself-all you need to do sometimes is give it a hand. I allowed him to extract a shot pellet that was in the way, and had him close a wound.

The patient was lucky. The pellets had struck many things, but the heart and major vessels were not one of them. The surplus of blood in the pelvis was not surprising to me, but came as a shock to my poor resident, who had no idea that a quarter liter of blood could look like *that*.

After three hours and several dozen stitches, clamping and suturing, swearing and some tough and go operations, we washed our hands and headed to get dinner.

Over a plate of what passes for baked Ziti and chicken marsala at a Hospital employee canteen, I discussed in great detail the mechanism of gunshot wounds to my resident, who had never seen a gun in person, who had only a passing understanding of what the difference between a shotgun, pistol, and rifle were, and had absolutely no idea that calibers of rifles even really existed. I explained to him, in the same detail and then some that I might go into here, the fundamentals of ballistic trauma and the management of these injuries in a hospital and field setting, and the complications one can expect. I explained the dynamics of hydrostatic shock and fluid disruption to him, and detailed how to best close a yaw injury as opposed to a fragmentation injury, and explained that never stitching a puncture wound is not the same as a gunshot wound even though they are both a puncture.

He confessed total ignorance of gunshot wounds. He doesn't even want to be a trauma surgeon, he just picked my rotation first because he heard I was "incredibly difficult" to work with, and he wanted to get it over first.
This didn't hurt me. I am intentionally difficult to work with because I do not accept failure in an environment where failure means death. And this was an exact example of it. If the shooter had been lower or higher in either direction just a bit, the patient could have required three or four more other hands on deck to keep him stable. A little to the left or right, a few inches forward, and I might have spent the next hour or two doing E-Mails hear about a GSW from my friend over at the state medical examination office on Monday afternoon.

There was no human being who would have walked away from that. There is no medic, BLS, ILS, ALS, or TALS, Airborne or otherwise, who would have been able to stabilize that patient for more than 30 minutes, and at no point from the medics arrival on scene to the point I finished with the patient did that patient wake up. There was not a single individual person who would have been able to stabilize them. That patient needed, in total, nine direct actors and 22 total persons to intermittently stabilize, transport, reduce to critical condition, prepare, and repair this patient, who will walk with a gait and have breathing issues for the rest of their natural lifespan.

And this is the case with virtually all shotgun injuries. Shotguns are the undisputed close quarter kings. There is simply nothing, on an individual basis, that can hope to compare to the pure deviation a shotgun brings to an individual target in one shot from a man portable package.

I didn't about a quarter of this but it was still pretty interesting quite honestly. Good Job. Though I must say this felt less like a sperg and more like a piece of non-fiction narrative from maybe a really good medical journal or something of the like.

Another thing. Now I see why shotguns are useful, not their potential to hit multiple opponents but the shear raw likelihood of delivering injury and or death unto a target. That and it's a bit easier to hit someone. If someone were to come up with a long range(atleast 2-300 yards) rapid fire shotgun that wasn't too ridiculously heavy that could be a game changer.

[Katganistan]

Thought I'd give some short term sperg as I am quite bored and as usual after a long shift I have become wide awake upon returning home.

There does not exist a firearm that has a higher chance of achieving a single shot incapacitation on a human target than a shotgun at close range. inside of 10 meters, a 12 gauge shotgun fired to a human target with 00 buck will damage the majority of major soft organs, cause significant soft tissue damage, create multiple wound channels, cause a hypotensive emergency and purely has no equal in terms of single shot power within this envelope.

After a long night in the ED I had just sat down to my computer to answer some emails. I had even pulled up my mobile Teamspeak application to connect with my Spergkin and talk with some former, and some current NSers I am glad to call friends (and one begrudgingly-he IS a Manlet, after all) and some non-NSers. I was looking forward to taking ten minutes to myself.

But no. My phone vibrated suddenly, the same three pulse vibration I get from my hospitals internal memo application. The message popped on my phone.

"Inbound GSW, (my city) ALS Truck 42"

So I went down to the ED and grabbed the headset we use to talk to incoming ambulances. I received the code and patch from the inbound medic who relayed the information to me-Male, late 20s, gunshot wound, Anterior chest, multiple large entrance and several small exit wounds. Blood pressure 148/84, GCS 6, H/R 110, resperatory compromise, 22/Min but maintained via Endotracheal tube with open Pneumothorax currently attempting to resolve. ETA six minutes.

I prepared myself. The trauma nurses and PA, the ED Paramedics and two residents swirrled to trauma receiving as a OR Nurse went and got room C ready for us. My resident for the day looked sick. He had never had a shooting before-this would be his first, and it was a hell of an introduction to shootings. I told him what to expect, and not to take anything I said personally, and if I start speaking Russian to just say English, and I'll correct myself. I told him that the total number of entry and exists would determine our interventions, and that the medic would not be able to supply us with those numbers as he was alone in the back, and if he had tubed the patient, he wasn't going to be rolling him.

The patient arrived after a moment of pregnant silence that makes me wish I never quit smoking. The bay went from silence except the distant sound of the air vents circulation cycle to the distinctive rattling of the stretcher and my head trauma nurse Noah's distinctive Bostonian accent issuing orders. The patients tube was in place, resperstions were being maintained, and plasma was being shunted.

I looked him over. A perfect candidate for surgery. Vitals in tollerances limits. Serious intervention needed to stabilize. If stabilized no major long term effects likely. Excellent.

Prepped and ready we wished our human ballistic gel off. Imaging gave me the story I was expecting and my once over told me I was dealing with a 12 gauge GSW with buckshot-I never see anything but 00 buck, slug or #7½ bird, and this was obviously buck.

My resident, pale as a ghost still beneith his PPE and gloved hands trembling at the thought of stabilizing such a serious set of injuries, nodded to me as I began my task as a human butcher, cutting, pasting, and stitching holes and perforations of the thoracic cavity, as the repertory specialist, ORN, Anesthesiologist and other cogs of the machine that is the modern surgical theater said words I didn't care much for, numbers I didn't pay attention to, and had conversations I didn't listen to. Unless I hear them say my name, my ears are shut or tuned to the music playing through the speakers that every OR has-the most important of the creature comforts besides climate control for most OR staff, and the reason why theatre C is so coveted.

My patient was not in good shape. A low BF% and unpalatable radial pulse, JVD I could have spotted across the room, track marks and lips that had been chewed to hell tell me a opioid derived swan song that has become my home cities biggest hit since 2012. This isnt a new story, and it's not even one that adds a new twist.
This is Friday night.

The drug life did no favours when the ire of someone welding a 12 gauge came down upon my patient. The wounds were spread out so as the entirety of the forgot was hit-our lowest verifiable entry wound was only just superior to the ischial tuberosity, and our highest struck 5cm above the nipple. This patient was what I would describe, in a less clinical environment, as "up shit creak without a paddle".

After getting to a position I felt my resident couldn't fuck up, I began to instruct him in the importance of what I was doing, how to do it, and what to do if it doesn't work. I explained carefully the details of controlling major bleeds in the arteries and remarked how good the body is at helping itself-all you need to do sometimes is give it a hand. I allowed him to extract a shot pellet that was in the way, and had him close a wound.

The patient was lucky. The pellets had struck many things, but the heart and major vessels were not one of them. The surplus of blood in the pelvis was not surprising to me, but came as a shock to my poor resident, who had no idea that a quarter liter of blood could look like *that*.

After three hours and several dozen stitches, clamping and suturing, swearing and some tough and go operations, we washed our hands and headed to get dinner.

Over a plate of what passes for baked Ziti and chicken marsala at a Hospital employee canteen, I discussed in great detail the mechanism of gunshot wounds to my resident, who had never seen a gun in person, who had only a passing understanding of what the difference between a shotgun, pistol, and rifle were, and had absolutely no idea that calibers of rifles even really existed. I explained to him, in the same detail and then some that I might go into here, the fundamentals of ballistic trauma and the management of these injuries in a hospital and field setting, and the complications one can expect. I explained the dynamics of hydrostatic shock and fluid disruption to him, and detailed how to best close a yaw injury as opposed to a fragmentation injury, and explained that never stitching a puncture wound is not the same as a gunshot wound even though they are both a puncture.

He confessed total ignorance of gunshot wounds. He doesn't even want to be a trauma surgeon, he just picked my rotation first because he heard I was "incredibly difficult" to work with, and he wanted to get it over first.
This didn't hurt me. I am intentionally difficult to work with because I do not accept failure in an environment where failure means death. And this was an exact example of it. If the shooter had been lower or higher in either direction just a bit, the patient could have required three or four more other hands on deck to keep him stable. A little to the left or right, a few inches forward, and I might have spent the next hour or two doing E-Mails hear about a GSW from my friend over at the state medical examination office on Monday afternoon.

There was no human being who would have walked away from that. There is no medic, BLS, ILS, ALS, or TALS, Airborne or otherwise, who would have been able to stabilize that patient for more than 30 minutes, and at no point from the medics arrival on scene to the point I finished with the patient did that patient wake up. There was not a single individual person who would have been able to stabilize them. That patient needed, in total, nine direct actors and 22 total persons to intermittently stabilize, transport, reduce to critical condition, prepare, and repair this patient, who will walk with a gait and have breathing issues for the rest of their natural lifespan.

And this is the case with virtually all shotgun injuries. Shotguns are the undisputed close quarter kings. There is simply nothing, on an individual basis, that can hope to compare to the pure deviation a shotgun brings to an individual target in one shot from a man portable package.

I didn't about a quarter of this but it was still pretty interesting quite honestly. Good Job. Though I must say this felt less like a sperg and more like a piece of non-fiction narrative from maybe a really good medical journal or something of the like.

Another thing. Now I see why shotguns are useful, not their potential to hit multiple opponents but the shear raw likelihood of delivering injury and or death unto a target. That and it's a bit easier to hit someone. If someone were to come up with a long range(atleast 2-300 yards) rapid fire shotgun that wasn't too ridiculously heavy that could be a game changer.

*** 3 day ban for continuing to troll ***
Honestly, doing it after it's been explained multiple times: not wise.

[Taihei Tengoku]

They take their MBAs very seriously.

Wut

Srry I don’t get joke :meh:

The non-jackbooted ones look rather business suit-y. I thought you were going to ball out with high collars and fourrageres or something

[NeuPolska]

Wut

Srry I don’t get joke

The non-jackbooted ones look rather business suit-y. I thought you were going to ball out with high collars and fourrageres or something

Oh yeah that’s part of me abandoning all the details I wanted I was primarily concerned with the color scheme and I think the dark grey looks pretty solid. I did add buttons on the sleeves and changed them to white instead of the template’s original yellow/gold except for the higher ranking uniform.

[NeuPolska]

Question though: the shirt and tie thing under most modern military dress uniforms is pretty obvious, but what gets worn underneath a high collar tunic? Do they just wear regular shirts? Or do they still wear a button-up shirt?

[Taihei Tengoku]

Question though: the shirt and tie thing under most modern military dress uniforms is pretty obvious, but what gets worn underneath a high collar tunic? Do they just wear regular shirts? Or do they still wear a button-up shirt?

It's a button-up undershirt without a collar.

[NeuPolska]

Question though: the shirt and tie thing under most modern military dress uniforms is pretty obvious, but what gets worn underneath a high collar tunic? Do they just wear regular shirts? Or do they still wear a button-up shirt?

It's a button-up undershirt without a collar.

I figured you’d know being a marine and all

[Anemos Major]

If anybody's looking for an NS military-oriented Discord chan, you're all very welcome to join up here: https://discord.gg/UXbpctP

(If you need to relentlessly post linearting drafts, get feedback on something but don't want to interrupt a discussion on the threads, or you just feel the aching desire to shitpost, here's the place to do it all!)

[Gallia-]

without a collar.

How practical/possible would it be for a 20mm autocannon in mid-late WWII to have shaped charge projectiles available?

it wouldn't, the materials science just isn't there.
The understanding of the mechanics of shaped charge effects full stop just wasn't amazingly well understood, let alone what would be required to shrink one down to 20mm.

You could do it. You wouldn't even need base detonating you could just a shaped charge in the shell itself. The question is why. A 20mm shaped charge in WW2 would be lucky to punch through a Panzer II. A steel shot would be better performing. That's still true today, which is why no one has manufactured bigge quantities of 20mm hollow charge rounds.

Nothing to do with materials science: 20mm is just really smol.

[Husseinarti]

These threads always have and always will have banter, despite countless warnings, bans and locks over the years. Going after it now is pointless. That's just a fact.

I (and the rest of the Mods) don't mind a degree of banter, but the fact is, a preponderance of the so-called "banter" in these threads fails the Average Joe™ test or is just outright trolling. That will not be accepted. It will result in warnings, bans, and - if persistent - a moratorium on any thread franchise which fosters this sort of behavior, tolerates it, or acts as a haven for it. If the userbase of these threads proves so unwilling to modify that behavior, we can - and will - indefinitely prohibit the thread franchises as-needed; we've done it before, we can, and will, do it again when required.

We do not care if y'all want to call yourselves whatever you want, shitpost as much as you want, or shit-talk as much as you want somewhere other than NationStates. If it's here, it will be stopped; take it to your Discord(s), IRC(s), Skype, offsite forum(s); we do not care where, as long as it is not on any website where our rules have jurisdiction. As long as you are on a site where they do, they will be enforced.

>skype

what is this, 2010?

[NeuPolska]

I (and the rest of the Mods) don't mind a degree of banter, but the fact is, a preponderance of the so-called "banter" in these threads fails the Average Joe™ test or is just outright trolling. That will not be accepted. It will result in warnings, bans, and - if persistent - a moratorium on any thread franchise which fosters this sort of behavior, tolerates it, or acts as a haven for it. If the userbase of these threads proves so unwilling to modify that behavior, we can - and will - indefinitely prohibit the thread franchises as-needed; we've done it before, we can, and will, do it again when required.

We do not care if y'all want to call yourselves whatever you want, shitpost as much as you want, or shit-talk as much as you want somewhere other than NationStates. If it's here, it will be stopped; take it to your Discord(s), IRC(s), Skype, offsite forum(s); we do not care where, as long as it is not on any website where our rules have jurisdiction. As long as you are on a site where they do, they will be enforced.

>skype

what is this, 2010?

Erm

*glances at skype application on desktop*

[Rhodesialund]

>skype

what is this, 2010?

Skype is such a fucking aids infested dumpster fire nowadays.

[Salus Maior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9uKaAsqKE When you're bored in the military.

[NeuPolska]

>skype

what is this, 2010?

Skype is such a fucking aids infested dumpster fire nowadays.

I just use it for talking to my dad tbh

[NeuPolska]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9uKaAsqKE When you're bored in the military.

Huehue I'm gonna be doing intel

No fun for me

[Gallia-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9uKaAsqKE When you're bored in the military.

:Combat Branch: af.

[Husseinarti]

>skype

what is this, 2010?

Skype is such a fucking aids infested dumpster fire nowadays.

idk its fine when you want to stare at a good pair of tits.

[NeuPolska]

Skype is such a fucking aids infested dumpster fire nowadays.

idk its fine when you want to stare at a good pair of tits.

No that's what FB Messenger is good for

[Salus Maior]

>skype

what is this, 2010?

Skype is such a fucking aids infested dumpster fire nowadays.

Sometimes it works.


Sometimes.

[Husseinarti]

idk its fine when you want to stare at a good pair of tits.

No that's what FB Messenger is good for

i vehemently refuse to use FB.

[NeuPolska]

No that's what FB Messenger is good for

i vehemently refuse to use FB.

Well I mean I hear Snapchat is what all the kool kids use

[Fordorsia]

I didn't about a quarter of this but it was still pretty interesting quite honestly. Good Job. Though I must say this felt less like a sperg and more like a piece of non-fiction narrative from maybe a really good medical journal or something of the like.

Another thing. Now I see why shotguns are useful, not their potential to hit multiple opponents but the shear raw likelihood of delivering injury and or death unto a target. That and it's a bit easier to hit someone. If someone were to come up with a long range(atleast 2-300 yards) rapid fire shotgun that wasn't too ridiculously heavy that could be a game changer.

*** 3 day ban for continuing to troll ***
Honestly, doing it after it's been explained multiple times: not wise.

>troll

Yeah, because that's exactly what it was

[Purpelia]

*** 3 day ban for continuing to troll ***
Honestly, doing it after it's been explained multiple times: not wise.

>troll

Yeah, because that's exactly what it was

Just stop. You are not going to change anything for the better by arguing with the staff. They have the power and therefore they do what they will. And if what they will is to barge in here and throw their weight around at our expense that is exactly what they will do. And there is nothing you, I or anyone else can do to stop that. The only thing we can do is lay low and wait it out until they find someone new to torment. Anything else is only going to irritate them and make them get even worse out of simple spite.

Don't be the one kid that irritates the bully so he takes it out on the whole class.

[Kassaran]

I didn't about a quarter of this but it was still pretty interesting quite honestly. Good Job. Though I must say this felt less like a sperg and more like a piece of non-fiction narrative from maybe a really good medical journal or something of the like.

Another thing. Now I see why shotguns are useful, not their potential to hit multiple opponents but the shear raw likelihood of delivering injury and or death unto a target. That and it's a bit easier to hit someone. If someone were to come up with a long range(atleast 2-300 yards) rapid fire shotgun that wasn't too ridiculously heavy that could be a game changer.

*** 3 day ban for continuing to troll ***
Honestly, doing it after it's been explained multiple times: not wise.

Hang on, what? Nothing was said on that word which I'll refuse to say to afford an opportunity for it to be used against me, though I've used it countless times. This was on the nature of the banter between Austrasien and Puzikas, which as was also mentioned is considered to take away from the message of the thread.

Kaz literally did nothing considered banter, and rather complimented Puz on the well-executed delivery of a personal anecdote regarding the traumatic consequences of shotguns on unarmored or otherwise 'soft' targets at close range. The common term for a purely textbook piece on this, which Puz is well known for doing being incredibly well educated in this field and likewise being considered indispensable in the thread for said perspective, is apparently a word we cannot use in the thread on the terms of it being, in Kyrusia's own words:

...anything to do with infantry discussion?

...topical and without the content already ruled entirely unacceptable on this site...

The traumatic effects of shotgun wounds on close ranged soft-targets is indeed topical and has a lot to do with the infantry discussion, as Puz also pointed out in stating shotguns have a place being still useful, but not as effective against armored targets which would likely be enemy combatants in an infantry application. In addition, such content is considered entirely acceptable on the site and as such has a place also in this thread and other threads where textbook and non-textbook narratives can be used to describe the particular effectiveness of certain tools in various aspects of combat and non-combat usage.

Consider also that Kaz also pointed out the significance in being able to access the information given to him by Puz's own words and we get a confusing picture being painted here. He, Kaz, showed nothing less than respect for a senior member of the thread whom is incredibly knowledgeable in medical experience critical to the thread, how the information was considered more helpful in the medium it was communicated through, and what he took away from it as a means of summarizing the potential takeaway for laymen or those unfamiliar with the topic. Yet somehow his classification of previous nigh-textbook styles of writ by Puz into a certain 's' word, which apparently is a troll word and not the forum=specific descriptor for a textbook-style writ, is considered trolling?

I think I speak for at least those of us whom haven't been around for more than four or five years in these threads to understand why this is. I'm not trying to troll you Kat, so before that even should be brought up let it be known I'm questioning the reasoning behind the ban. No, giving the word 'trolling' won't be acceptable, I want to understand so I don't end up wandering into the same apparent offensive area as Kaz apparently did, unless he didn't and the fault is your own in not understanding the full underlying context of the previous conversation.

Also, just in-before I'm potentially banned for this line of questioning, nowhere in the explanation for 'Trolling/Baiting/Gloating' does it state that complimenting someone on the content of their post and stating how it helps them better understand an important if not critical subject in understanding the effects of firearms is trolling. Additionally: "Trolling is defined as posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). Someone disagreeing with you does not equate to trolling. Intent is incredibly important and will be judged by the moderators to the best of their abilities. Honest belief does not excuse trolling. Disagreements are expected and conducting yourself in a civil manner is ideal. Trollbaiting is the action of making posts that attract trolls. A prime example of trollbaiting would be gloating over the results of an election."

If Kaz had been responding to Kyrusia's own post, yes, I could see how that might have been remotely considered trolling, or moreover baiting, but his completely innocent response in time to Puz's own post simply states he came back, read and digested the post, and promptly stated his response to it. Not to Kyrusia, and especially not with any intentions of angering anyone.

Now if this is in any way supposed to be related back to the 's' word you highlighted in your initial quote for anything other than you taking action over it being considered mildly derogatory towards Puz in being an internet 'slang' word for someone with Aspberger's Syndrome, then you are wrong in citing Kaz's response to Puz as being trolling, or making a statement with the intention of attracting negative attention or an inflammatory post.

Unless of course there is some other additional set of conversations set outside of this thread in particular that were seen as trolling material and you were just highlighting his most recent post here to inform us of why he was suddenly banned, but given that you highlighted a term used with a level of geniality in this thread, I think I'm entirely in line to point out why this is a thread-specific offense you're pointing out.