Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Victoriala II]

>tfw too smart to not embrace Xi Jinping thought for the new era of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics

NOTHING BUT FILIAL RESPEK FOR MY CHAIRMAN

[United Muscovite Nations]

>tfw too smart to not embrace Xi Jinping thought for the new era of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics

NOTHING BUT FILIAL RESPEK FOR MY CHAIRMAN

10,000 years for our red sun in the sky, President Xi!

[MERIZoC]

>tfw too smart to not embrace Xi Jinping thought for the new era of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics

NOTHING BUT FILIAL RESPEK FOR MY CHAIRMAN

lol 10/10 meme

[The Parkus Empire]

random question from someone who needs help.
Is democratic Confederalism left-wing? and where can I find books and/or other sources to study it from?

It's left wing if you want to abolish private property with it. Otherwise it is actually far right.

[Bakery Hill]

random question from someone who needs help.
Is democratic Confederalism left-wing? and where can I find books and/or other sources to study it from?

Theoretically probably look at writings by Ocalan.

[Alsheb]

Not entirely sure about the poll, it seems a bit vague at times. I have ticked "Higher Phase Communism", but obviously that cannot be simply achieved overnight.

[The Parkus Empire]

random question from someone who needs help.
Is democratic Confederalism left-wing? and where can I find books and/or other sources to study it from?

It's left wing if you want to abolish private property with it. Otherwise it is actually far right.

Although even lack of private property would be right wing if it's reflective of local or indigenous practice as opposed to a national or global program. I would for instance consider the Zapatista movement to be functually right wing.

[The Parkus Empire]

random question from someone who needs help.
Is democratic Confederalism left-wing? and where can I find books and/or other sources to study it from?

Theoretically probably look at writings by Ocalan.

Or any localist works, really.

[Bakery Hill]

Theoretically probably look at writings by Ocalan.

Or any localist works, really.

The local focus is what attracts me. I mean to read more on him and Bookchin.

[Bakery Hill]

It's left wing if you want to abolish private property with it. Otherwise it is actually far right.

Although even lack of private property would be right wing if it's reflective of local or indigenous practice as opposed to a national or global program. I would for instance consider the Zapatista movement to be functually right wing.

That's an interesting take. They do consider themselves left however.

[The Parkus Empire]

Although even lack of private property would be right wing if it's reflective of local or indigenous practice as opposed to a national or global program. I would for instance consider the Zapatista movement to be functually right wing.

That's an interesting take. They do consider themselves left however.

And by a contempory axis, they are. But, ironically, by a classical axis they would be right wing and fascism would be left wing.

[Bakery Hill]

That's an interesting take. They do consider themselves left however.

And by a contempory axis, they are. But, ironically, by a classical axis they would be right wing and fascism would be left wing.

That is true. The times they have a-changed.

[The Parkus Empire]

And by a contempory axis, they are. But, ironically, by a classical axis they would be right wing and fascism would be left wing.

That is true. The times they have a-changed.

And will again. If the left seriously steps up to the plate against globalism, it will be a de facto rebirth of the classical right. But if this job is left entirely to the right, we might see a rebirth of racial nationalism.

[Alsheb]

That is true. The times they have a-changed.

And will again. If the left seriously steps up to the plate against globalism, it will be a de facto rebirth of the classical right. But if this job is left entirely to the right, we might see a rebirth of racial nationalism.

What sort of classical right do you mean by that? Surely not the 18th-century anti-liberal and semi-feudal movements that happened to be localist?

[Republican Corentia]

Anyone in this thread organize IRL?

[Bakery Hill]

That is true. The times they have a-changed.

And will again. If the left seriously steps up to the plate against globalism, it will be a de facto rebirth of the classical right. But if this job is left entirely to the right, we might see a rebirth of racial nationalism.

This is true. At this stage it could go either way. Movements in Europe give me hope however.

[The Parkus Empire]

And will again. If the left seriously steps up to the plate against globalism, it will be a de facto rebirth of the classical right. But if this job is left entirely to the right, we might see a rebirth of racial nationalism.

What sort of classical right do you mean by that? Surely not the 18th-century anti-liberal and semi-feudal movements that happened to be localist?

Indeed I do. Localism was not happenstance here, but a driving ideology. Burke fought tooth and nail against the East India Company for the sake of local Indian culture and adminstration, and the insanely right wing de Maistre was insanely localist, arguing that Christians had no business interfering with human sacrifice by local tradition. Subsidiarity even became the official stance of the Catholic Church.

[Alsheb]

What sort of classical right do you mean by that? Surely not the 18th-century anti-liberal and semi-feudal movements that happened to be localist?

Indeed I do. Localism was not happenstance here, but a driving ideology. Burke fought tooth and nail against the East India Company for the sake of local Indian culture and adminstration, and the insanely right wing de Maistre was insanely localist, arguing that Christians had no business interfering with human sacrifice by local tradition. Subsidiarity even became the official stance of the Catholic Church.

But you can't call any of those movements in any way comparable to a modern rebirth of the left, even if the left will organise according to a localist programme.

[Alsheb]

Anyone in this thread organize IRL?

Yup, member of the Workers' Party of Belgium here.

[The Parkus Empire]

Indeed I do. Localism was not happenstance here, but a driving ideology. Burke fought tooth and nail against the East India Company for the sake of local Indian culture and adminstration, and the insanely right wing de Maistre was insanely localist, arguing that Christians had no business interfering with human sacrifice by local tradition. Subsidiarity even became the official stance of the Catholic Church.

But you can't call any of those movements in any way comparable to a modern rebirth of the left, even if the left will organise according to a localist programme.

I said a modern rebirth of the classical right. Not the left. If the left takes up with zeal the cause of localism, they will be a de facto rebirth of the classical right, regardless of whatever label they use.

[Jelmatt]

That is true. The times they have a-changed.

And will again. If the left seriously steps up to the plate against globalism, it will be a de facto rebirth of the classical right. But if this job is left entirely to the right, we might see a rebirth of racial nationalism.

I sincerely doubt an antiglobalist left would be anything like the classical right outside of localism. Most antiglobalist movements on the left are better described as alter-globalist and still have a commitment to some level of internationalism, and are definitely far more skeptical of traditional authority than the classical right was. We certainly wouldn't be King-and-God types.

[Kubra]

Anyone in this thread organize IRL?

nothx party vanner

[The Parkus Empire]

And will again. If the left seriously steps up to the plate against globalism, it will be a de facto rebirth of the classical right. But if this job is left entirely to the right, we might see a rebirth of racial nationalism.

I sincerely doubt an antiglobalist left would be anything like the classical right outside of localism. Most antiglobalist movements on the left are better described as alter-globalist and still have a commitment to some level of internationalism, and are definitely far more skeptical of traditional authority than the classical right was. We certainly wouldn't be King-and-God types.

The classical right is more concerned with sickness than symptom. Communal and familial ties are seen as the basis of any society that could support that. Once that is established, organic order (which is diverse, it's not monolithic) naturally emerges.

[The Liberated Territories]

I'd say my preffered economic system is communism or syndicalism. I'm not entirely sure which would be better to build a revolution on.

If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?

It's the internet, everybody likes anime.

Catgirls and Catboys don't count. :^)

whenever the left and catgirls come up, I can't help but think of the r/socialism "incident"

[Northern Davincia]

I'd say my preffered economic system is communism or syndicalism. I'm not entirely sure which would be better to build a revolution on.


It's the internet, everybody likes anime.

Catgirls and Catboys don't count. :^)

whenever the left and catgirls come up, I can't help but think of the r/socialism "incident"

The left is its own worst enemy. Whether or not this is a good thing remains open to interpretation.