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[Eol Sha]

Various schools of Islam are going to be introduced in the next EUIV DLC.

I love this. Islam is my favorite religious group to play as. I love the piety mechanic and further expansion of its mechanics can only make EUIV better.

Don't really like those new piety icons, though. They're just too large.

[Ifreann]

Various schools of Islam are going to be introduced in the next EUIV DLC.

It's the interracial law of the Muslamic infidel! They're trying to get their law over our law!

[United Muscovite Nations]

I like that they're fleshing out non-Catholic religions now; for a game set in a very religious part of history, religious gameplay was pretty bland.

[War Gears]

I like that they're fleshing out non-Catholic religions now; for a game set in a very religious part of history, religious gameplay was pretty bland.

Yeah, I was rather disappointed with the Dharmic religions in CK2.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Purging hive minds and annexing their worlds feels good man.

[Ism]

So I just met some fanatic purifiers. But, I don't know whether to be frightened of them, or laugh, because they're name is Snotalitvish. I mean, how can I take them seriously when they name themselves after snot?

Democratise the shit out of them.

But I'm an Executive Committee! Also ran into another group of fanatic purifiers. This galaxy is messed up though, because pretty much everyone practices slavery.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Democratise the shit out of them.

But I'm an Executive Committee! Also ran into another group of fanatic purifiers. This galaxy is messed up though, because pretty much everyone practices slavery.

Executivise the shit out of them instead.

Yes thats a word, shush internet

[The Batavia]

Now, if y'all don't mind, could someone make a To-Do-List for the Ottomans?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Now, if y'all don't mind, could someone make a To-Do-List for the Ottomans?

"Brother Huskar! Bring out the blessed fountain of knowledge from which we all partake"

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Ottomans

"Now set forth for the heralds of thine fine lands who may guide this young man in his journey"

[Ism]

But I'm an Executive Committee! Also ran into another group of fanatic purifiers. This galaxy is messed up though, because pretty much everyone practices slavery.

Executivise the shit out of them instead.

Yes thats a word, shush internet

Yes, that's certainly a word Huskar.

*Ism has gained 1 intrigue*

[The Batavia]

Now, if y'all don't mind, could someone make a To-Do-List for the Ottomans?

"Brother Huskar! Bring out the blessed fountain of knowledge from which we all partake"

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Ottomans

"Now set forth for the heralds of thine fine lands who may guide this young man in his journey"

Whoops, totally forgot about the wiki

[The Huskar Social Union]

"Brother Huskar! Bring out the blessed fountain of knowledge from which we all partake"

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Ottomans

"Now set forth for the heralds of thine fine lands who may guide this young man in his journey"

Whoops, totally forgot about the wiki

Its really damn handy, i always look at it when starting a nation ive not really played before, the forums on steam and paradox.com can also be helpful, as can reddit some times. But some people on here have played as the Ottomans a lot, they have some stuff to share no doubt as well. Think Bralia loves playing as them for example.

[Ifreann]

Now, if y'all don't mind, could someone make a To-Do-List for the Ottomans?

Take the mission "City Of The World's Desire". This will give you a claim on Constantinople.
You start with two armies. Move one to a province beside Constantinople, move the other to the other border with Byzantium in Greece.
Declare war against Byzantium as soon as the game will let you. Don't let them get any allies that'll make this more difficult than it needs to be. Destroy their armies and siege their provinces.
When either Constantinople or all their Greek provinces are under your occupation, move the free army to Albania and declare war. Try to occupy their provinces before Venice does. End both wars with full annexation. All of Byzantium, all of Athens, all of Albania if Venice doesn't get there first.
You'll get a decision to rename Constantinople to Konstantineyye, make it Muslim, and make it a core. Don't bother coring the other provinces you take. You'll get plenty of reductions to the cost of coring before long, may as well wait. There will be unrest and probably rebels, but your armies are strong, you'll be able to take them.
Start attacking the Turkish minors. Dulkadir, Karaman, all them little countries around you in the east.. They're already your core provinces, so just take them all.
Take Administrative Ideas as your first idea group, and when you've got the idea from that and the National Idea that reduce coring cost, core the Greek and Albanian provinces you took at the start of the game.
By the time you've reclaimed your cores in Anatolia you'll probably get a mission to conquer the Levant. The Mamluks will be the first nation that's close to being as strong as you, so build your army up and make sure you have lots of manpower.
When you have a truce with the Mamluks attack Qara Qoyunlu. They're not all that strong themselves, but their lands are pretty mountainous, you can lose a lot of manpower to attrition if you aren't careful. The Timurids will probably fall apart before they could be a serious threat, but keep an eye on them.

Expanding into Europe at least a bit is advisable. Definitely take Serbia before someone else does, they have a pretty lucrative gold mine. Make an alliance with France if you get the chance. Be careful when conquering European lands that you don't provoke a coalition, and watch out for Austria, Poland/the Commonwealth, Muscovy/Russia when they start expanding, France if they don't ally you.
You'll have a lot of money coming in, boats are cheap, and any naval warfare you engage in will be in the Med, so build lots of galleys. Lots. Treat your naval force limit as a minimum, not a maximum, and Castile/Aragon/Naples/Spain won't be a problem.

As long as you don't provoke a huge European coalition, you can pretty much pick a direction and start conquering. South to Arabia and then west or south into Africa. East through Persia towards India. North across the Caucuses towards Muscovy before they get too strong, north through Hungary, west into Italy. Once you get an Indian Ocean coast you could take Exploration ideas and colonise out towards Australia and Micronesia, or maybe South Africa if one of the European colonisers haven't beaten you to it.

At some point Crimea will have some manner of leadership crisis and they may appeal to you for protection. I think you'll get causus belli to vassalise them, may as well do it. Genoa will eventually leave the HRE, which will make conquering them easier. The Asian tribes might submit to Ming, so keep an eye on that if you're heading that way.

When you get the Janissaries event, choose to keep building them up. The bonuses are great and you'll get them for at least 100 years before the Decadence disaster can happen.

When the religious leagues start in the Holy Roman Empire you'll be able to join one of them. I'd advise not joining either right away, wait to see where the other powers in Europe go. If you're allied to France, either join the same league as them or don't at all. If you do join a League, that may cause your enemies to join the opposite League. If the Thirty Years War happens, and in the last few Europe games I've played it hasn't, it can be a huge clusterfuck spanning all of Europe, and depending on how the Reformation went and who joins which League, you may end up with enemies on your whole European border. The Mamluks might even join against you, if they still exist. Or you can just sit the whole thing out, let the Euros fuck each other up while you conquer India or whatever.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

let the Euros fuck each other up while you conquer India or whatever.

This appears to be 19th Century British foreign policy.

[The Batavia]

Now, if y'all don't mind, could someone make a To-Do-List for the Ottomans?

-snip-

Thanks, I'll definately follow this.

Now, I have one question? What DLC's should I get? I am atleast going to take El Dorado because I love creating custom nations, but what do you recommend?

let the Euros fuck each other up while you conquer India or whatever.

This appears to be 19th Century British foreign policy.

LMFAO

[Ifreann]

let the Euros fuck each other up while you conquer India or whatever.

This appears to be 19th Century British foreign policy.

But with less tea and more coffee.

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-snip-

Thanks, I'll definately follow this.

Now, I have one question? What DLC's should I get? I am atleast going to take El Dorado because I love creating custom nations, but what do you recommend?

Art Of War is super useful. Rights of Man for province development stuff. Or was that Common Sense...yeah, Common Sense for province development and Rights Of Man for leader traits and government mechanics and Consort Regencies.

[Bralia]

My pro Ottoman tips are simpler than Ifreann's:

- Kill everything small around you. Who cares what order you take them in, it's all valuable territory. The only reason why Albania is my first target every time is because the armies are closest to them.
- Keep killing everything in sight. The Mamlukes aren't actually a threat when you're at your force limit and keeping your stacks small enough so they don't take attrition. I'm fond of 4 15K stacks.
- Administrative ideas are useless unless you're going for a world conquest. Religious ideas are better for kill-chaining and realm stability.
- Bouncing between theatres of war keeps aggressive expansion almost a non-existent factor.
- Who gives a fuck about the sides in the League War, just take advantage of the weaker side. Stupid Christians fighting each other is trivial nonsense compared to your glory.
- Keep killing at your leisure.

- Lastly, and most importantly, don't do what Ifreann is telling you to do. People telling others exactly what to do and when is a pet peeve of mine and it's especially nonsensical when you're playing the fucking Ottomans. When you're a newb playing with the most powerful nation on the planet, you can play at your own comfortable pace. Everything I've said here are more guidelines than rules.

[The Batavia]

My pro Ottoman tips are simpler than Ifreann's:

- Kill everything small around you. Who cares what order you take them in, it's all valuable territory. The only reason why Albania is my first target every time is because the armies are closest to them.
- Keep killing everything in sight. The Mamlukes aren't actually a threat when you're at your force limit and keeping your stacks small enough so they don't take attrition. I'm fond of 4 15K stacks.
- Administrative ideas are useless unless you're going for a world conquest. Religious ideas are better for kill-chaining and realm stability.
- Bouncing between theatres of war keeps aggressive expansion almost a non-existent factor.
- Who gives a fuck about the sides in the League War, just take advantage of the weaker side. Stupid Christians fighting each other is trivial nonsense compared to your glory.
- Keep killing at your leisure.

- Lastly, and most importantly, don't do what Ifreann is telling you to do. People telling others exactly what to do and when is a pet peeve of mine and it's especially nonsensical when you're playing the fucking Ottomans. When you're a newb playing with the most powerful nation on the planet, you can play at your own comfortable pace. Everything I've said here are more guidelines than rules.

Okay then.

[Rannoria]

Huge sale on humble bundle now on pdx games.

tryna choose between cities skylines w/ mass transit or ck2 w/ way of life

[Renoa]

Huge sale on humble bundle now on pdx games.

tryna choose between cities skylines w/ mass transit or ck2 w/ way of life

If you don't currently have CK2 with any of the expansions, I would say get Cities. While I've never played CK2 with no expansions, I feel like it would feel rather hollow and narrow as to who exactly you're allowed to play, while Cities is pretty great all on its own, though it doesn't have as much replay value.

[Rannoria]

Huge sale on humble bundle now on pdx games.

tryna choose between cities skylines w/ mass transit or ck2 w/ way of life

If you don't currently have CK2 with any of the expansions, I would say get Cities. While I've never played CK2 with no expansions, I feel like it would feel rather hollow and narrow as to who exactly you're allowed to play, while Cities is pretty great all on its own, though it doesn't have as much replay value.

Hmm.

I don't have CK2 with any expansions rn, but that's why I intend to get way of life with it, but then again, Cities looks sick as well.

EDIT: Ck2 with way of life is cheaper btw, so that also is kept in mind.
It's only by like 2 eur tho.

EDIT EDIT: Might go for Cities, as I already have EU4 and HoI4, although they play differently.

The third alternative, actually, is just to buy rights of man for EU4. But is that really worth it as opposed to Cities w/ Mass Transit? or CK2 w/ Way of Life?

[Kernan]

Since my first question was probably drowned in our riveting discussion of purging heretics and the like how do you use claims effectively in CK2? Whenever I try it the claimants just go independent.

[Genivaria]

Since my first question was probably drowned in our riveting discussion of purging heretics and the like how do you use claims effectively in CK2? Whenever I try it the claimants just go independent.

How are you doing it?
Remember that the only times they DON'T become independent are if they are family of yours or they are already a landed vassal.

[Kernan]

Since my first question was probably drowned in our riveting discussion of purging heretics and the like how do you use claims effectively in CK2? Whenever I try it the claimants just go independent.

How are you doing it?
Remember that the only times they DON'T become independent are if they are family of yours or they are already a landed vassal.

Id just see that a guy in my court had a claim and press it. Guess it makes sense why they would not be mine when I put it like that

[Genivaria]

How are you doing it?
Remember that the only times they DON'T become independent are if they are family of yours or they are already a landed vassal.

Id just see that a guy in my court had a claim and press it. Guess it makes sense why they would not be mine when I put it like that

Yeah that wouldn't work if you want them to automatically join you.
The best claims to press are those of your family which you can then inherit.
For example. I'm the Emperor of the HRE, I married a daughter of the current King of England.
Later down the road the king dies and my English wife has a claim to the English throne, so I press the claim and my children will inherit the title.

You can also try replacing a ruler of a small county or duchy and then offer vassalization, remember that you have to be much stronger than them AND they can't be King rank.