by Karaden » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:15 pm
by Viridus » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:18 pm
Karaden wrote:Since I can not submit a proposal to repeal the WA within the WA's organization I have been sent to Technical By Sierra Lyricalia to argue my case for the WA's repealment. Looking back through history it becomes obvious that the WA is a corrupt organization manipulating the strings of other nations to keep themselves in power, this is blatantly clear with the existence of GenSec and their arbitrary ability to deem resolutions as "Legal" or "illegal".
When the United Nations was disbanded after the fiasco that brought Max Barry back into the game solely for the creation of the WA, now it should be noted that the WA was voted on and as such any resolution that has been passed within the WA has the right to be repealed (if it was voted in it can be voted out), but we see that this is not the case. Because of the rampant corruption that has enveloped the WA, and by proxy the entirety of Nationstates, I again (and for the third time) shall post my proposal of repealment so that an honest and real conversation can take place without the corruption of the GenSec (even though corruption bleeds even deeper here in the forums.)
"The Adopted Nations of the World Assembly,
NOTING that the World Assembly has spectacularly failed to successfully create and enforce international law;
BELIEVING that there is a vital and needed role for a global organizational body, but noting that the World Assembly has failed in this aspect;
FURTHER NOTING that the system of Commendments and Condemnations has acted only as a badge of honor to the receiver and in effect caused more inter-regional strife;
FURTHER BELIEVING that the demise of the World Assembly may be fashioned into a grand opportunity for the nations of the world to draw a new destiny;
HEREBY
1. Eradicates the World Assembly, which acted as the successor to the United Nations, with the full transfer of all Delegate ranks into a regional Representative;
2. ARCHIVES all previously passed WA Resolutions for historical purposes, so that citizens of today may forever look back upon these failures in hope of creating a new and better system of global governance;
3. DECLARES the pages of international law to be blank (and to be decided by each region as they see fit);
4. INVITES former members of the World Assembly to begin work on a new system of international governance, which may in time will exceed the grandeur of its predecessors."
by Trotterdam » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:23 pm
by Ankuran » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:33 pm
Akrutia wrote:I don't believe the WA should be repeaIed; I believe it should be reformed.
Trotterdam wrote:If you repeal all World Assembly resolutions, people will just scramble to resubmit all the former resolutions that they liked. What would that solve?
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by The United Artherian Federation » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:36 pm
by Drasnia » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:39 pm
by Karaden » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:40 pm
by Kenmoria » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:41 pm
Karaden wrote:"The Adopted Nations of the World Assembly,
NOTING that the World Assembly has spectacularly failed to successfully create and enforce international law;
BELIEVING that there is a vital and needed role for a global organizational body, but noting that the World Assembly has failed in this aspect;
FURTHER NOTING that the system of Commendments and Condemnations has acted only as a badge of honor to the receiver and in effect caused more inter-regional strife;
FURTHER BELIEVING that the demise of the World Assembly may be fashioned into a grand opportunity for the nations of the world to draw a new destiny;
1. Eradicates the World Assembly, which acted as the successor to the United Nations, with the full transfer of all Delegate ranks into a regional Representative;
2. ARCHIVES all previously passed WA Resolutions for historical purposes, so that citizens of today may forever look back upon these failures in hope of creating a new and better system of global governance;
3. DECLARES the pages of international law to be blank (and to be decided by each region as they see fit);
4. INVITES former members of the World Assembly to begin work on a new system of international governance, which may in time will exceed the grandeur of its predecessors."
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:41 pm
by Phydios » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:57 pm
If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. | Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’James 1:26-27, Matthew 7:21-23
by Tinhampton » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:04 pm
by Crown-Princess » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:09 pm
by Frisbeeteria » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:03 pm
by Reploid Productions » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:08 pm
Karaden wrote: Looking back through history it becomes obvious that the WA is a corrupt organization manipulating the strings of other nations to keep themselves in power, this is blatantly clear with the existence of GenSec and their arbitrary ability to deem resolutions as "Legal" or "illegal".
Karaden wrote:When the United Nations was disbanded after the fiasco that brought Max Barry back into the game solely for the creation of the WA,
Karaden wrote:now it should be noted that the WA was voted on and as such any resolution that has been passed within the WA has the right to be repealed (if it was voted in it can be voted out), but we see that this is not the case. Because of the rampant corruption that has enveloped the WA, and by proxy the entirety of Nationstates, I again (and for the third time) shall post my proposal of repealment so that an honest and real conversation can take place without the corruption of the GenSec (even though corruption bleeds even deeper here in the forums.)
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by Karaden » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:17 pm
by [violet] » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:52 pm
Drasnia wrote:If you believe GenSec are corrupt and are using their powers contrary to the rules, file a Getting Help Request. The moderators have access to everything on-site, including telegrams and the GenSec-only subforum. If there is any corruption, the mods will find it.
by Bitely » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:53 pm
[violet] wrote:Drasnia wrote:If you believe GenSec are corrupt and are using their powers contrary to the rules, file a Getting Help Request. The moderators have access to everything on-site, including telegrams and the GenSec-only subforum. If there is any corruption, the mods will find it.
Personally I don't think mods should be responsible for keeping GenSec corruption-free. They're involved today because someone had to set it up, and there's no other facility for removing & replacing GenSec members. But ultimately I believe that should be determined by the GA itself.
by Drasnia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:55 pm
[violet] wrote:Drasnia wrote:If you believe GenSec are corrupt and are using their powers contrary to the rules, file a Getting Help Request. The moderators have access to everything on-site, including telegrams and the GenSec-only subforum. If there is any corruption, the mods will find it.
Personally I don't think mods should be responsible for keeping GenSec corruption-free. They're involved today because someone had to set it up, and there's no other facility for removing & replacing GenSec members. But ultimately I believe that should be determined by the GA itself.
by Gig em Aggies » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:06 pm
Karaden wrote:My purpose in posting this bombastic proposal was not for it to garner any support, but instead to initiate a discussion which trotterdam was able to continue and send me to a good source. As a player for 8 years I remember when Max got the Cease and Desist letter from the UN prompting the move to the WA (I was there man, I saw some stuff).
In an effort to better flesh out my ideas beyond a basic 3 minute rewrite of GA #1, I shall explain. When we look at the world in which we live we see our International body the United Nations operate as an irrevocable "jacket" holding the world together through some agreed upon laws, but when we look deeper into this blotted morass we find Regional governance which operates at a more direct level of administration (such as the EU). While the nations of the EU are subject to the regulations of the UN we find that the EU has its own set of codified laws which every member nation is supposed to follow. Now some will say we have this already with our system of regional delegation, however, I find this system rather lacking forcing the players of the game to "create" regional and inter-regional governance on they're own (the same way we as players created raiding through a manipulation of game mechanics).
While I call for the complete removal of the WA in favor of much more expansive regional and inter-regional mechanics, it doesn't have to be the case. I know as a player being in the WA does nothing for me as a player, and does not actually affect me as a nation, which is why I believe the WA is a failure. The WA's corruption also stems from how Influence is garnered within a region, this ultimately disadvantages nations who have an objection to the practices of the WA (especially when whole regions forgo using the WA). Years ago when the game was smaller, had less mechanics, and when the WA was doing things (specifically in the SC) it was a much better system, however, the game has changed a lot and I feel the WA has not changed with it.
#NStalgia
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:37 pm
[violet] wrote:Personally I don't think mods should be responsible for keeping GenSec corruption-free. They're involved today because someone had to set it up, and there's no other facility for removing & replacing GenSec members. But ultimately I believe that should be determined by the GA itself.
by [violet] » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:58 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:[violet] wrote:Personally I don't think mods should be responsible for keeping GenSec corruption-free. They're involved today because someone had to set it up, and there's no other facility for removing & replacing GenSec members. But ultimately I believe that should be determined by the GA itself.
Well, if that's the case, why were decisions on who should replace Glen-Rhodes after his resignation conducted via a Secretariat internal poll?
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:46 am
[violet] wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:Well, if that's the case, why were decisions on who should replace Glen-Rhodes after his resignation conducted via a Secretariat internal poll?
Because that's the process we have now. It wouldn't be simple or easy to move to a different one, like some kind of election-based model, but that's what I'd like to see.
by Klaus Devestatorie » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:05 am
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