1900 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC]

by **The Manticoran Empire** » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:17 am

The Traansval wrote:
Oscalantine wrote:
Hmmm... well, there are two reasons why I say that CSA needs to modernize just as much as Arabia is: technicality and logic.

Technically, he doesn't meet the internal checklist that I have for being the European Center. That is all there is to it. It doesn't matter if you are a German nation smack in the middle of Europe: if you don't meet the checklist, you aren't in the membership. Since this is said, it could be stated that why didn't I one for every broad culture group. Well... I did, and ended up with 12 different distinct groups after selectively poking apart the precedence of applicants. However, that would lead to everyone needing to read 12 different dialogues when 3 is already stretching the main OP. I decided to save everyone the time and make only 3, but you would have to conform to these 3. I will be flexible with some rules that are more region-specific, but the checklist stays ^^;;

As for logic... I opted for the logic that individuals in a nation would adapt better to similar cultures, and the culture of 3 distinct groups would be cannon-wise be the most technologically advanced in the AltDiv lore. In order for technology from these regions to assimilate into foreign lands, I imagine either the innovators and philosophers from these regions to adapt and prosper in their new settings or that it would take national effort to counterengineer the technology. The former would require brilliant minds to think that they can settle well into the region... and that glass ceiling that could results from differing cultures must be addressed. Latter would take time... which is why I have 5 year flat penalty. I imagine even the best of institutions would take at least 5 years to counterengineer anything. I mean... this is including that these foreign nations discovering that this cutting-edge technology even exists.

I understand that exceptions could exist. What if a nation facilitates an active counter-braindrain by actively creating state institutions that nurtures foreign innovators and the likes? That would definitely make the process of these minds coming to said nation easier and quicker, closing the gap. However, these must be RPed in IC, as I cannot in good faith simply believe that in the app alone. This is why I said that IC posts are required for all those that doesn't fit into the nice mold of modernization to RP out the process. It won't be impossible, and it won't be punishing (as if 5 years mattered in war to begin with... until more modern era...) during conflicts. But the process needs to be deliberated and approved, and it will take time and post to do so. That is all there is to it.

Except that your idea of Innovation seems to be that everyone just sits around and does nothing until some "Great Mind" comes along and amazes everyone by inventing something new. This is a really, really flawed view of things. Sure, back in the 14th and 15th and 16th and 17th centuries this might have been the case, but this is the 20th century. Innovation isn't just done by single individual its done by entire Companies, Organizations and Think Tanks. The CSA is also in a position where it either has to "Modernize or Die" sorta situation. They either had to modernize, or face death at the hands of the UKA.

Dude, it's not a big deal.

by **The Traansval** » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:55 am

Full Nation Name: United Emirates of Arabia
Majority/Official Culture : Arab/Bedouin/Afro-Asian/African
Territorial Core :

Territorial Claim:

Capital City : Riyadh
Population : 5.2 Million

Government Type : Federal Republic, Bicameral Democracy
Government Ideology/Policies : The Government is mainly split between two Ideological Factions; the Reformists who wish to move the country towards more being a more Democratic and Modern Nation, and the Conservatives who wish to focus more on Islamic Tradition.
Government Focus : Currently, the Arabian government under Emir Faisal I is focused primarily on improving the Economy and Commerce of the nation.
Head of State: Rayiys Faisal I
Head of Government: Prime Minister Abdullah ibn Muhammad Al ash-Sheikh, Chairman of the Federal Council Thani bin Abdulla, Chairman of the National Council Al Haj bin Abdullah Al Muhairbi.
Government Description: The Head of State, the Rayiys, acts as the sole voice of Diplomacy for the nation, as well as commanding the Military and being a figure head for the nation. The Rayiys also instructs the Prime Minister, who then instructs the 22 Ministers of the 22 Ministries of the Government which take care of all Interior and Foreign Affairs, including foreign affairs, security and defence, nationality and immigration issues, education, public health, currency, postal, telephone and other communications services, labour relations, banking, delimitation of territorial waters, extradition of criminals and many more. The real power, however, lies in the Federal Council and the National Council, which act as the two Legislative Houses. The National Council, which consists of 10 Representatives elected from each of the 4 Emirates propose and vote on laws and amendments, with a Majority vote required for Laws and a 2/3s vote for Amendments to the constitution. The Federal Council, which is made up of 2 Representatives appointed by each of the 4 Emir's, act as an advisory council, and will review then vote on each law/amendment; if they find it satisfactory, they will approve it and it will then be done, if they don't find it satisfactory they will send it back to the National Council who then have to rewrite it, unless they vote on a 2/3s majority to overrule them. The Four Emirates act as the State Governments in the Federal System, with each one having a smaller Emirate Level version of the Federal Government. The Emirates have some small powers, mainly as the constitution states, "All powers not vested in the Federal Government are therefor the responsibility of the Emirate Governments". Ultimately, Federal Law trumps Emirate Law. The laws of the country, which we talked so much about, are enforced by The Federal Judiciary. It includes the Federal Supreme Court and Courts of First Instance. The Prime Minister appoints the five judges headed by a president to the Supreme Court. The judges are responsible for deciding if federal laws are constitutional and mediating between inter-emirate disputes. It also possesses the authority to try cases involving cabinet and senior federal officials. Although secular law is applied, the basis of legislation is Sharia (Islamic Law) and involves three of the four schools including (mainly) Maliki, but also the Hanbali and Shafi'i schools. The countries laws are also in turmoil between the Conservatives, who promote the Wahhabi Movement which seeks to "Enjoy Good, Forbid Wrong". The Wahhabi Movement is central to many of the more restrictive laws concerning Dress and Drink. Opposite them are the Reformist, who promote the Reform Movement, which seeks to promote Religious and Personal Freedoms.

Majority/State Religion : Majority Hanbali Sunni Islam, with smaller sects of Shafi'i Sunni Islam (Yemen), Ibadi Islam (Oman), Oriental Christianity (Somalia) and others.
Religious Description : Oh boy, please don't make me try to describe Islam.

Economic Ideologies: The primary leading Ideology in the Arab Economy is Islamic Economics along with Capitalist, Mercantilism and Protectionist influences.
Major Production: Oil, Dates, Spices, Coffee, Bananas, Sugar, minor Cotton and Mining Sectors (Note; most Agricultural Goods come from the Horn of Africa Territory)
Economic Description: Largely a weak economy based off trade with foreigners.

Tech Group : N/A

Army Description: 308,220 Total Servicemen; 50,760 Cavalry Men (Fursan), 33,160 Mounted Infantry (Akinji), 136,180 Infantrymen (Ghazi), 63,600 Territorial Troops, 2,760 Republican Guards, 21,600 Artillery men (Topçu).. High Mobility, Excellent Tactics and knowledge of the land are staples of the Arab Army.
Army Weakness: Poor Equipment, little unit cohesion, poor communications and low numbers. The Arab Army has no standard Uniform, no standard arms and no standard cartridge. The clothing worn by soldiers often is either their own Tribal Dress or their own clothes (Some servicemen with more wealthy families sometimes order their own stylized Uniforms from European Tailors), and their weapons can often range from Cutting Edge European Rifles (Usually purchased by those more Wealthy Servicemen) to the much more common Jezail Flintlock and Single Shot Black powder rifles (Martini Henri's, French Gras Rifles, etc.). Also, the primary route of communication between unit is still a Runner or Carrier Pigeon, with Telephones and Telegraphs being non-existent.

Naval Description: 18,520 Sailors; 5 Light Armored Cruisers, 8 Protected Crusiers, 5 Monitors, 12 Destroyers, 2 Coastal Defense Ship, 32 Patrol Gunboats, 45 Torpedo Boats and 80 Transport ships. 600 Men serving in the Maritime Infantry, serving as garrisons aboard the ship. The men of the Arab navy are of the highest caliber, the officers were hand picked by Shah Pasha and those officers trained and drilled the men to a fine point. The ships of the Arabian Navy are most effective in the coastal regions around the Peninsula and horn of Africa, and are designed to be fast and nimble.
Naval Weakness: The Arabian Navy, like the Army, suffers from the lack of Industrialization and standarization of the Arab Military. Most uniforms are designed by the ships commander and issued to his men, with some not even bothering and just let the men wear whatever. Most ships carry a stockpile of Remington Rolling Blocks as their main rifles for sailors, and the ships supplies of Shells aren't always as much as they should be. The ships of the Arab Navy were built to be fast and nimble, but this comes at a trade off for Armor and Firepower, which Arab ships lack in comparison to their European counterparts.

National Goals: Improve the Economy and Arabian Industry.
National Issues: Tensions between Shia, Sunni and other sects of Islam within the Republic.
National Figures of Interest: The Prophet Mohammed (Lazy answer, i know.)
National Ambition/Aspirations: Uniting all of Islam under the Arabian Nation.

History: The land that today is called Arabia is an ancient and storied land. Its people having gone through different ethnicity, religions and governments. In the beginning, all there was were the Tribes. Roaming bands of Nomads who did what they could to survive in the harsh climate that is the Arab Desert. Years passed, technologies advanced, new nations of old came and went from the lands of Arabia. Bronze Age nations, then the Greeks and Persians tried to tame the mighty desert beast. The Romans didn't even try to foray into the desert, content to simply rule the coast.

The first true Arab nation was establish in 632 CE. The teachings of Islam had swept through the Peninsula and had, for the first time, united the Arabian Peoples. The Arab Nation, known as the Rashidun Caliphate, began to expand. Their borders reaching as far north as Baghdad, as far west as Tripoli and as far south as Mogadishu. But this empire was not to last. The Romans, whose collapse had allowed Arabia to expand, had managed to survive in their Eastern Territory. The Romans formed a Devils pact with the only other power in the region, the Persians, and together they defeated the Rashidun Armies on the fields of Arabia and crushed the nation. The Caliphate collapsed, and Roman rule was re-established in the Middle East.

After the Collapse of the Caliphate, many went back to their Nomadic Ways, while smaller City State and Nations cropped up along the coastal regions. Known now as the Dark Age of Arabia, the prosperity of Rashidun Rule was replaced with Warlords. The Arabian Arts and Sciences swiftly died while those in Europe began to flourish. Arabian society began to decompose back to the old ways, and the Culture itself began to wilt.

The first nation to leave the Dark Age was Oman. Historically a powerful position, Oman was one of the major trade nations in the Indian Gulf, and as such was able to recover much faster than the other Arab nations. Under the Nabhani dynasty, Oman began to grow wealthy off trade and this excess of Wealth was put back into those Arts which had previously lied dormant; The Arts, Literature, and the Sciences. The Omanies possessed a powerful navy, and used it to enforce their trade hegemony in the Persian Gulf.

By 1824, the Arabian Peninsula was under one of four nation; Nejd, Oman, Yemen, and Hejaz. Nejd was the largest in terms of land and also had the most ports on the Persian Gulf, while Oman still was the Wealthies, Yemen had the largest population while Hejaz held the Religious capital of Islam, Mecca. Border skirmishes were often and varied, and sometimes war would even break out between the Arabs as they tried to take the others resources. Change came in 1825, when Rome Attacked.

The Emirate of Nejd held the province of Kuwait, a small area that had one of the busiest ports on the Persian Gulf. It was often the last stop for most traders before they went back home, and as such grew quite wealthy off trade. Kuwait was the price jewel of the Nejd Emirate, and the Romans wanted it. In 1825, a Roman Army crossed the border and occupied Kuwait. Nejd quickly raised its conscript army, and marched off only to be soundly defeated by the superior Romans. The war dragged on for months until the Nejd Emirate finally conceded defeat under the pressure of a Roman Offensive and Blockade.

The war, while only taking a small province, suddenly alerted the Arab nations to the Roman threat on their border. Suddenly, each Emir and Sultan suddenly realized that at any moment, a Roman army could come and invade them at. The only thing securing Arab independence, was Roman Apathy, and that scared the Arab Rulers.

All Four of the Arab Leaders met in Mecca, and after two months of discussion they came to the agreement to form a Federation. Each ruler would retain partial sovereignty while also giving up powers to a larger Federal Government. The local Rulers, now all called Emirs, formed the Federal Council which would elect one of their for a 10 year term as Rayiys, and also each appointing 5 Representatives to form a Legislative Branch. The Capital, it was decided, to be Riyadh due to its central location on the Peninsula. And so, at that council in 1825, the United Emirates of Arabia was born.

In 1840, the administration of Raysis Ahmed Abdullah pushed for further reforms to bring Arabia closer to Democracy. The chief reforms being those of making the Local Emir an Elected Position, and having the National Council be made up of 10 Elected Representatives from each Emir, and the Federal Council being changed to a Second Legislative body of 2 Officials appointed by each Emir that acted much like the English House of Lords. The Rayiys wasn't changed much, aside from there being National Elections for Rayiys Candidates that would ultimately be chosen by a 2/3 vote in the Federal Council. These reforms were celebrated by Abdullah's Reform Party, but those of the Conservative Party were furious at this affront to Tradition. The Emir of Yemen even raised some of his people into an Army to march on Riyadh, but a traitor among his Generals helped the National Army defeat him. After that, the Reforms weren't challenged openly, as Abdullah grew paranoid and began to crack down on Dissidents.

Over the years, the many Rayiys expanded Arabian Power. Rayiys Ali Bin Hussein, in 1853, even expanded the nations territory down to the Horn of Africa, which had been a historical province of the Rashidun Caliphate. It was established as a Autonomous Territory, with its own version of an Emirate Government (But no voice in the Federal Government). He also put in place certain orders for the construction of a naval fleet, but these would eventually be carried out by his successor in 1861 when the Arabian Navy was established and its ships ordered from both the Muscat Drydocks and foreign companies. More Rayiys would be elected, each enacting his own Reforms, in Education, Industry, Commerce, and many others. Each imprinting his vision on the country.

Its been years now since the formation and reforms, and the same issues plague the Arabian Nation. The Reformists and Conservatives still battle, undoing and redoing each others works, but its the 20th century now and a new Rayiys has just been elected and he's a champion of the Reformists. So maybe the future of Arabia will change, for there is hope in the minds and hearts of every Arab, and Faisal won't let them down.

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by **Zelent** » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:04 pm

Oscalantine wrote:
Zelent wrote:Full Nation Name : Imperii ex Hispaniam (Empire of Hispania)

Zelent, before we continue, would I ask for your flexibility?

I would normally wait until you have posted history, but your territory is a bit... err... infringing. Again, I do not know how important these lands are to you, but I would like for you to stay within Iberian Peninsula for your territories.

My main rationale is more of an OOC one, which is why I am asking for your flexibility. We would like to have French player. And if France is robbed of its southern province, the chance of France coming up when we reboot the OOC is VERY slim. You can negotiation other colonies in the region, but we are thinking of giving more emphasis on African lands belonging to European powers, so there will be plenty of IC events and other perks to more than supplement your territory in terms of size.

Hmm. So, this effectively seals Iberia out of being a major power does it not? In any case, I'm willing to scale back in France, perhaps to the point just north of the Pyrennes where the French coast curves away from Europe? Also, could I by any chance increase my population in Iberia to adjust for Portugal and Spain never having colonized South and Central America

by **Asgeirria** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 am

Hey OPs, would it be acceptable for Zhur to be advanced in mining, refining, and material manipulation techniques and let that knowledge trickle to other areas? Like, for example, in coal mining ventilating noxious gases is a serious concern, so advancements in gas-harnessing and like A/C would come faster than other nations? Or is it too far-fetched? I'm looking at ideas since I'm going to have to redux my app ( because of its current barebones appearance, lack of history, and there being a new OOC)

by **The Ik Ka Ek Akai** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:55 pm

For the record all, I'm still here and interested- Thrace and I have worked out a deal for me to post my app when certain circumstances are met.

by **Old Tyrannia** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:36 am

Zelent wrote:
Oscalantine wrote:
Zelent, before we continue, would I ask for your flexibility?

I would normally wait until you have posted history, but your territory is a bit... err... infringing. Again, I do not know how important these lands are to you, but I would like for you to stay within Iberian Peninsula for your territories.

My main rationale is more of an OOC one, which is why I am asking for your flexibility. We would like to have French player. And if France is robbed of its southern province, the chance of France coming up when we reboot the OOC is VERY slim. You can negotiation other colonies in the region, but we are thinking of giving more emphasis on African lands belonging to European powers, so there will be plenty of IC events and other perks to more than supplement your territory in terms of size.

Hmm. So, this effectively seals Iberia out of being a major power does it not? In any case, I'm willing to scale back in France, perhaps to the point just north of the Pyrennes where the French coast curves away from Europe? Also, could I by any chance increase my population in Iberia to adjust for Portugal and Spain never having colonized South and Central America

It's not your American colonies that are the problem. We don't want you taking part of France because it might discourage people from apping for France. Additionally, your Latin needs a great deal of work- "Imperii ex Hispaniam" is nonsense. Empire of Spain would be "Imperium Hispaniae." "Spanish Empire" would be "Imperium Hispanicum."

by **Dunree** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:25 am

Full Nation Name : The Celtic League (An Conradh Ceilteach)
Majority/Official Culture : The official unifying culture of the League is obviously Celtic, however the League consists of six countries, Éire(Ireland) Alba(Scotland), Cymru(Wales), Dumnonea(Southern England), Mannin(Isle of Mann), and Bryneich(English Midlands) which all heavily promote their own identity and culture as distinct and unique.
Territorial Core : The British Isles, Faroe Islands, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Southern Nigeria, Guyana, Suriname, French Guiana
Territorial Claim : Brittany
Capital City : Learpholl (Liverpool) - Although Learpholl was chosen for its geographic location to be the political capital and seat of the monarch, it is by no means the largest city either by area or population, it is not the financial capital, nor the largest industrial hub, it is not the most important trade port, and it is not the center of the arts and culture for the nation. It does however hold a respectable position in each of these categories.
Population : 56 million

Government Type : Constitutional Elective Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Nationalism, Militarism, Pan-Celticism, Conservatism
Government Focus : The official mandate of the government is to unify all Celtic peoples under one banner, to ensure the security and prosperity of those people, and to promote and spread the Celtic culture and languages around the world. In reality, the government of the League is more concerned with economic matters, trying to keep its position as a top player on the European stage, and the maintenance of its overseas holdings and colonies.
Head of State : Rí (King) Brian Mac Loingsibh
Head of Government : An Tánaiste Liam O Dochartaigh
Government Description : The government of the League is a multi-tiered system, which goes all the way down from the Royal Council (Comhairle Ríoga) to a Contae Council (Cuirmtíg).
An Comhairle Ríoga is the monarch’s own cabinet and is considered to be the most senior level of government in the League. It consists of eight members including the monarch, and all members are selected by the monarch from the next level of government, the Assembly of Chiefs (An Tionól na gCeannairí). The members of An Comhairle Ríoga, minus the monarch, are the War Minister, Treasury Minister, Trade Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister, Domestic Affairs Minister, Colonial Affairs Minister, and the Justice Minister. These officials are responsible for the smooth running of their respective offices.
As stated, below An Comhairle Ríoga is An Tionól na gCeannairí, or the Assembly of Chiefs. As the name suggests this assembly is made up of Clann Chiefs, three hundred in total from all six nations of the League. This assembly has the ability to write legislation at a national level, though it requires review by the Comhairle Spioradálta (Spiritual Council), the process of which has largely become symbolical, and must be signed by the monarch in order to pass into law. The Assembly is also responsible for keeping the monarch in check, and may begin a deposition inquiry if they believe they are detrimental to the State, incompetent, or corrupt among other reasons. A full deposition however must also be approved by the Spiritual Council, and four of the six Óeanachaí.
Óeanach is the name given to the devolved assemblies of the six member countries, and they are made up of elected representatives. As the member countries each have a large degree of autonomy, an Óeanach is responsible for healthcare, education, infrastructure, agriculture, local business and commerce policy, communications and social policy among other things. All legislation passed by an Óeanach must comply with national legislation which has been passed by An Tionól na gCeannairaí. Each Óeanach is headed by a Tiarna, who also have their own Assembly, known as An Tionól na Tiarnaí. This assembly has very little real power, but as you can imagine has a loud voice.
A County Council, known by its old name for a clann council Cuirmtíg, is a local council which has little power, but is responsible for whatever its Óeanach delegates to it. Without exception, they are also the body which elects the Taoiseach(Chief) for the area, sometimes multiple for the one area. Other standard responsibilities include maintenance of local roads, provision of libraries, clinics and schools etc. The members of a Cuirmtíg are elected by the locals of the area.
An Comhairle Spioradálta (Spiritual Council) which was mentioned earlier is a council of bishops and abbots, numbering 22, from all countries of the League. They were a very compelling voice as once upon a time it was the religious leaders of an area which selected the Taoiseah for that area. With the adoption of a new constitution however in 1874 their power was greatly reduced and their position now is largely a symbolic one.

Majority/State Religion : Celtic Christianity, with Catholic and Protestant minorities.
Religious Description : Celtic Christianity stemmed from the Roman Catholic CHurch, but made its official split in 1312 at the same time it established the Church of Celts. Celtic Christianity is much more decentralised than the other branches with monasteries and monastic orders still be widely prevalent throughout the member countries of the League. The members of these orders, even the abbots, are not ordained, but are highly respected individuals for their devotion, study, and sacrifice. It is said that abbots are like popes in their own parishes, and it is quite true that they surpass priests and bishops in authority. Priests and bishops are still required however to perform sacraments. The sacraments also differ under the Celtic Church, with a variance on the confession and penance rite, marriage, divorce, and funeral rites also differ, and the sacrament of confirmation is not practiced. The dates of Easter are also calculated differently by the Celtic Church, and it tends to be much easier for holy people to be canonized into saints under the Celtic Church than under the Roman.

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism, with some protectionist policies.
Major Production : Foodstuffs and agricultural goods, heavy industry products such as ships, arms and locomotives, light industry goods such as textiles, leathers, luxury and finished goods
Economic Description : The League has a well diversified economy, with a strong agricultural sector which meets the nation’s demand for self-sufficiency in food thanks to land reforms, light protectionist policies, price regulation, and supplements from overseas territories. The industry sector is supported by imports from the colonies also, though it produces a large amount of coal and iron domestically.

Tech Group : European

Army Description : The Army, known simply as An tArm, is a small and professional force of one hundred thousand personnel. This however is supplemented with a reserve force, and a ‘homeland army’ which together total over four-hundred thousand. The well-drilled standing army is trained in modern small-unit tactics, which it developed out of necessity while facing harassment in the colonies. The Army also features certain elite units which undergo advanced training, and are ensured to have access to the most advanced weaponry and equipment available to them. Some of the elite units include the Highland Brigade, the Ulster Brigade, and the Fianna.
Army Weakness : The army has never had a strong cavalry tradition, and struggles to field enough well-trained mounted men to be useful in battle. It also has a weak artillery regiment, with not enough pieces to be adequate for the size of the army. Because the navy receives so much of the military budget, the regulars are sometimes left behind or left waiting a few years to afford new equipment.
Naval Description : The Navy, An Cabhlach, is the pride of the nation. Being an island nation with tens of thousands of kilometers of coastline to patrol, as well as shipping lanes to protect and overseas territories to police and protect, the navy receives a great deal of funding, and is always trying to stay ahead of the curve by researching and adopting new technologies, strategies, and ship designs.
Naval Weakness : The sheer size of the navy means it is a constant struggle to keep it up to date and maintained, and its neverending need to stay on top equates to an essentially bottomless pit to where the government must throw money.
Further Military Description : A more comprehensive list of naval ships will come later, along with a breakdown of army units and divisons and what have you.

National Goals : To secure new trade partners as well as military allies. A source of oil must also be secured.
National Issues : Issues of factionalism within the government, the monarch is usually met with resistance by groups within the Tionól na gCeannairí and at times has to curry favour to get their policy enacted. The decentralised nature of the League also means reforms can be slow reaching to certain areas.
National Figures of Interest :
National Ambition/Aspirations : To be the dominating naval power of the Atlantic, an economic powerhouse, and expand control of the overseas territories. Also to unify all Celtic people under one banner, and spread the culture around the globe.

History :
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by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:03 pm

Btw, before anyone randomly comes in and destroys my tedious work of creating althis for my nation, I claim the rest of Croatia as well as modern day Hungary and Transylvania with the right Romanian territories to connect them.

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:03 pm

Full Nation Name : The Kingdom of Bohemia/Königreich Böhmen/Království Čechy
Majority/Official Culture : Czech
Territorial Core : Fuck it, basically Austria Hungary without Galicia, Banat, Bukovina, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Venetia, the Serbian pieces and the Coast but with the addition of Silesia.
Territorial Claim : Brandenburg, Lusatia, Upper Franconia, Luxemburg, Triest...and possibly the whole of Germany.
Capital City : Prague
Population : 41.000.000

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Militarism, Conservatism, Traditionalism, Revanchism
Government Focus : The current focus lies on legitimacy and centralisation. The Government struggles to keep the Czech, German, Slovak, Slovene, Hungarian, Croat, Romanian and Polish people together in it's state while also trying to improve on it's innerpolitical situation to allow for easier decision making and passing. Apart from that, a big focus currently lies on the military, which is being developed out of fear for german irredentism from the big neighbour Hansa.
Head of State : King Ottokar the III of Bohemia/König Ottokar III. von Böhmen/Král Přemysl III. Otakar z Čech
Head of Government : Royal Chancellor Archduke Vojtech II of Moravia/Königlicher Kanzler Erzherzog Vojtech I von Mähren/Královský Kancléř Arcivévoda Vojtech II od Morava
Government Description : Hm, how about we start from the very bottom with this? There are 11 administrative disctricts in the Kingdom of Bohemia. Those are the archduchies of Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia, Tyrol, Austria, Slovenia, Silesia, Transdanubia, Eastern Hungary, Crisana and Transylvania. In these the common people vote for parties. The parties/coalitions with a majority of the vote then have to put together a government for their archduchy which of course needs to be accepted and appointed by the local archduke. These small archduchy governments though really usually only have power to enact laws concerning the economy, the infrastructure, education, basically all non executive stuff that does not directly have to do with the neighbours of the Kingdom. Now, the fun thing is the Government of the Kingdom of Bohemia. The King is one of the Archdukes and needs to be elected and crowned by the other archdukes. Since this consitution was put in placed it was always the Archduke of Bohemia who was elected as King. Now, the King then appoints a Royal Chancellor from the remaining six Archdukes. This chancellor will head the Royal Government. The Royal Government on the other hand consists to one half of men voted in by the Bohemian Nobility, to the other half out of men brought in by coalitions/parties which form the local governments of the archduchies. Here again the King has to accept and appoint the ministers.

The King retains full power over the executive branch of the Kingdom aka the Army and the Police. The King also has to accept laws that are worked out by the Royal Government and has a temporary veto. Another right of the king is to bring in laws of his own. These however must be approved by the two thirds of the nobility of the kingdom.

The Royal Government administrates the Kingdom. They work to keep it running and can also work out laws which have to go by the king first though before they can be passed. The chancellor coordinates the work of the ministries through the ministers. Laws passed by the Royal Government are valid in all archduchies unless the content of said laws says otherwise.

The Archdukes serve as Chancellors of their respective Archduchies.

Majority/State Religion : West Roman Catholicism with a Lutheran minority.
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : Interventionist Capitalism
Major Production : So, well, I've got loads of metallurgy, mines and coal in Silesia, massive amounts of manufacturing industry in Bohemia and Austria as well as Hungary and Transylvania as of recently. Hungary also doubles as a major food exporter on the continent. On the other hand, areas like Restcroatia, Slovakia, Slovenia are very underdeveloped and their economy is basically on Third World level aka not capable of bringing more than raw materials. They produce food in small quantities as well as ores, coal, leather, fur, wool and wood. Very recently, the chemical industry has started in the Kingdom, being especcially strong in Bohemia-Moravia.
Economic Description : In the past century, Bohemia profited greatly from it's interventionist capitalist policies. State supported railway networks were the start, giving a great boost to the industrialisation of the kingdom. And it industrialised quickly, the west almost completely on it's own while the east, the Hungarians and Romanians were much slower to pick up. It was obvious that they couldn't do it on their own so the King, for political reasons, introduced programs to stimulate the economy of those duchies. With state support, Hungary and Transylvania were eventually able to keep the pace with the western parts of the kingdom. However, this slightly artificial economical rise also cost a lot. The King was forced to sell many of the shares he had with the newly set up Hungarian and Transylvanian industry to private investors due to the debts he had accumulated. And so, much of the economy is currently completely private although the King and his government still retain most of the railway network. It was quite important for the military sector so the king didn't want to give up on it and instead sold his industrial shares.

Tech Group : European

Army Description : There is a compulsory military service. At age 17, young men are requested to join the military to serve for three years. If the request cannot be followed and the excuse for it is flawed, then they will be presented with the possibility of serving 5 years in the Bohemian Police Force. People who still come up with terrible excuses are then usually forced to pay a sum equal to the cost of the equipment of ten soldiers over a course of 5 years. People who still couldn't do what the officials asked of them are serving jail sentences and do forced labour.

Once drafted, the young soldiers will be outfitted with their standard equipment. Such as their blue-grey uniforms, field caps, Mannlicher M1895 rifles and additional gear. Rations or ammunition are not included and are only equipped when in the field and required aka they won't have ammunition with them during a training exercise about how to quickly build a base camp or during a short march 10 times around the camp. Anyways, once equipped, the soldiers will be trained extensively for 6 months with basic training. After that they are sorted into units and will receive additional training which may take up to 9 months depending on the army branch chosen for them.

A large portion of the Bohemian forces consists of Mountaineers. This is due to the mountaineous nature of the country with great mountain ranges such as the Alps, the Carpathians, the Erzgebirge, the Böhmerwald, the Riesengebirge etc. Especcially with the mountaineous nature of the border with the Hanseatic Germany, with which relations are highly strained, it is highly necessary to have a great amount of mountaineers who could fight in this terrain. Although they will probably mostly man the various forts which have been built since 1832 as a reaction to the violence in Bavaria. Apart from that there is a still fairly large cavalry force consisting of Hungarians. Due to tradition as well as the terrain of their country, mounted units are actually very viable. But do not worry, standard line infantry still exists and that in good number.

The Bohemian Army's main rifle is the Sztejr-Mannlicher M1895 although a substantial amount of Mannlicher M1890 carbines and Mannlicher M1888 rifles are still being used. The standard machinegun is the Salvator-Dormus M1893. The standard sidearm is the Gasser-Kropatschek M1876 revolver but a sidearm is only carried by NCOs and higher ranked officers. Exceptions are made for members of the Air Force. Motorisation is nonexistant and most of the army's transport goes by foot, horse, carriage or train. The artillery corps suffered badly from Jaromir II. reign and has many old pieces of artillery and the money to quickly replace them is not there so it will be a tedious process.

Due to a lack of sea access, the Bohemian Military did have quite some free money. And before anyone asks me why I'm writing that I am lacking the funds to quickly change out my aging artillery, it's because all the freed up money goes into the development of aerial technology. Massive amounts of funds are being poured into what the King and his government believe to be a revolutionary technology that will greatly affect the trade and the military.
Army Weakness : The army is of course a mess of different ethnicities leading to communication problems. Apart from that there are the obvious equipment problems that one gets when choosing an Austro-Hungarian arsenal. And of course the deployment problems. I certainly won't be fielding troops in Africa. And even troop movements within areas of my nation such as the Alps or the Carpathians will be incredibly difficult for me, not even talking about supplying troops there.
Naval Description : Uhm, it at best consists of some River Patrol boats which could have 6,6 cm cannons but that's really about it.
Naval Weakness : Yeah well, it really can't operate far away from a coast or port, it can't scratch larger ships and will sink with a single artillery hit.
Further Military Description : The Bohemian Army specialises in defensive warfare.

National Goals : Centralisation, Easing Ethnic Tensions, Developing Slovakia, Slovenia and Croatia, Gaining new Allies, Gaining Sea Access, Crushing the Hanseatic League, Reestablishing an HRE and reclaiming the title of Emperor
National Issues : Ethnic Issues, smoldering conflict between nobility and commoners, Aristocratic power struggles, a strong nationalist political force, German Irredentism
National Figures of Interest : King Ottokar the III, Archduke Vojtech II of Moravia, Archduke Hermann I of Silesia, Archduke Franz IV of Austria, Archduke Andreas VI of Transdanubia, Royal Police and Intelligence Commander Dietrich E. Haegler
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] Reestablishment of the HRE under Bohemian rule and in pretty much the dimensions of the Großösterreich plan

History :

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by **Oscalantine** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:29 pm

The Traansval wrote:Except that your idea of Innovation seems to be that everyone just sits around and does nothing until some "Great Mind" comes along and amazes everyone by inventing something new. This is a really, really flawed view of things. Sure, back in the 14th and 15th and 16th and 17th centuries this might have been the case, but this is the 20th century. Innovation isn't just done by single individual its done by entire Companies, Organizations and Think Tanks. The CSA is also in a position where it either has to "Modernize or Die" sorta situation. They either had to modernize, or face death at the hands of the UKA.

There is truth in your words, but the idea of great mind engineering some breakthrough wasn't lost... in fact, it never was even in our timeline. A revolutionary technological breakthrough at the hands of one person is still vital in today's science. After all, no matter the group, no matter the funds, no matter the social structure... if a person doesn't innovate, these are all meaningless. Organizations, institutions, government reforms, espionage, committee.... everything is creating a better environment to foster said great mind. It isn't flawed, but reality.

Of course, a discovery can be created by number of people. Multiple authors can contribute into one paper. A person can take after discovery of another to create something derived from another's work. However, this all connects to my logic of flow of culture and language. Organizations, companies, government institutions... even espionage and subterfuge... all require a line of dialogue to function. Similar culture and language will facilitate faster exchanges of ideas, while more obscure and distant would take longer time. Desperation would unfortunately not lead to "equivalence," but "greater speed." If one needs to reinvent the wheel, no amount of desperation would lead to catching up to technologically advanced power. A dialogue must be established... friendly or not... to reach in and take what is already there, which would link culture that I was referring to.

All this talk is nice, but I have a feeling that you... ONCE AGAIN... are making me reiterate OVER and OVER and OVER again that technology is a fluff. 5 year penalty isn't a penalty, but a flat lag for everyone save for these groups to give more of a lore-fluff. 5 year isn't going to destroy a backward nation. Nor should it. There was numerous battles in Africa where outsmarted Europeans were driven out by Africans with spears and shields. You can object that it didn't last, to which I say that precedence is enough for us RPers to understand that clever tactics would win over technological gap... and 5 years isn't even a gap to begin with.

I will also add that, despite your bias that I am an unthinking oaf, I did consider your points, and had a lot more division of not only culture, but more exceptions that will accommodate flow of technology more closely to IRL history. Contrary to popular belief, I RPed in Civilization-type RPs where you need to make a post based on the results of dicerolls and crunching a lot of numbers. I moderated a regional RP where I created entire system of research and development based on a complex set of posts and approval, all the while using numeric calculations based on ratings found on these approvals and classes on innovations to determine just how much of an technological advantage a nation will have based on said inventions. It is doable, and I can do it. I just choose not to, and I CHOSE not to. After experiencing two extremes, I fall squarely in ideology that numbers do not mean a thing. It creates meaningless complication to an RP where we just need to write out our own thoughts. Every aspect of an app is to ensure that your nation's fluff is decently described, not how it is measured compared to others. When I ask for flexibility and restrictions, I am trying to surmise what kind of world fluff that I want the RP to be directed towards, which, while it does include quantitative measurements in geography and the likes, is related more towards quality of story that I believe will spawn from my OOC decisions and not because of some numbers that I saw as unfair. Understand that I do go through numbers, as it is easier to adjust and calculate. However, I choose not to and actively stop myself from choosing this option despite how simple it would make my moderating. What you see before you is to add a spice to the world fluff, and nothing more. This, I hope, would be the last time I have to convince you of both my logic as well as my own intelligence.

by **Togeria** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:35 pm

I'm going to politely ask I be removed from the list please.

by **Tracian Empire** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:36 pm

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
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Full Nation Name : The Kingdom of Bohemia/Königreich Böhmen/Království Čechy
Majority/Official Culture : Czech
Territorial Core : Fuck it, basically Austria Hungary without Galicia, Banat, Bukovina, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Venetia, the Serbian pieces and the Coast but with the addition of Silesia.
Territorial Claim : Brandenburg, Lusatia, Upper Franconia, Luxemburg, Triest...and possibly the whole of Germany.
Capital City : Prague
Population : 41.000.000

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Militarism, Conservatism, Traditionalism, Revanchism
Government Focus : The current focus lies on legitimacy and centralisation. The Government struggles to keep the Czech, German, Slovak, Slovene, Hungarian, Croat, Romanian and Polish people together in it's state while also trying to improve on it's innerpolitical situation to allow for easier decision making and passing. Apart from that, a big focus currently lies on the military, which is being developed out of fear for german irredentism from the big neighbour Hansa.
Head of State : King Ottokar the III of Bohemia/König Ottokar III. von Böhmen/Král Přemysl III. Otakar z Čech
Head of Government : Royal Chancellor Archduke Vojtech II of Moravia/Königlicher Kanzler Erzherzog Vojtech I von Mähren/Královský Kancléř Arcivévoda Vojtech II od Morava
Government Description : Hm, how about we start from the very bottom with this? There are 11 administrative disctricts in the Kingdom of Bohemia. Those are the archduchies of Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia, Tyrol, Austria, Slovenia, Silesia, Transdanubia, Eastern Hungary, Crisana and Transylvania. In these the common people vote for parties. The parties/coalitions with a majority of the vote then have to put together a government for their archduchy which of course needs to be accepted and appointed by the local archduke. These small archduchy governments though really usually only have power to enact laws concerning the economy, the infrastructure, education, basically all non executive stuff that does not directly have to do with the neighbours of the Kingdom. Now, the fun thing is the Government of the Kingdom of Bohemia. The King is one of the Archdukes and needs to be elected and crowned by the other archdukes. Since this consitution was put in placed it was always the Archduke of Bohemia who was elected as King. Now, the King then appoints a Royal Chancellor from the remaining six Archdukes. This chancellor will head the Royal Government. The Royal Government on the other hand consists to one half of men voted in by the Bohemian Nobility, to the other half out of men brought in by coalitions/parties which form the local governments of the archduchies. Here again the King has to accept and appoint the ministers.

The King retains full power over the executive branch of the Kingdom aka the Army and the Police. The King also has to accept laws that are worked out by the Royal Government and has a temporary veto. Another right of the king is to bring in laws of his own. These however must be approved by the two thirds of the nobility of the kingdom.

The Royal Government administrates the Kingdom. They work to keep it running and can also work out laws which have to go by the king first though before they can be passed. The chancellor coordinates the work of the ministries through the ministers. Laws passed by the Royal Government are valid in all archduchies unless the content of said laws says otherwise.

The Archdukes serve as Chancellors of their respective Archduchies.

Majority/State Religion : West Roman Catholicism with a Lutheran minority.
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : Interventionist Capitalism
Major Production : So, well, I've got loads of metallurgy, mines and coal in Silesia, massive amounts of manufacturing industry in Bohemia and Austria as well as Hungary and Transylvania as of recently. Hungary also doubles as a major food exporter on the continent. On the other hand, areas like Restcroatia, Slovakia, Slovenia are very underdeveloped and their economy is basically on Third World level aka not capable of bringing more than raw materials. They produce food in small quantities as well as ores, coal, leather, fur, wool and wood. Very recently, the chemical industry has started in the Kingdom, being especcially strong in Bohemia-Moravia.
Economic Description : In the past century, Bohemia profited greatly from it's interventionist capitalist policies. State supported railway networks were the start, giving a great boost to the industrialisation of the kingdom. And it industrialised quickly, the west almost completely on it's own while the east, the Hungarians and Romanians were much slower to pick up. It was obvious that they couldn't do it on their own so the King, for political reasons, introduced programs to stimulate the economy of those duchies. With state support, Hungary and Transylvania were eventually able to keep the pace with the western parts of the kingdom. However, this slightly artificial economical rise also cost a lot. The King was forced to sell many of the shares he had with the newly set up Hungarian and Transylvanian industry to private investors due to the debts he had accumulated. And so, much of the economy is currently completely private although the King and his government still retain most of the railway network. It was quite important for the military sector so the king didn't want to give up on it and instead sold his industrial shares.

Tech Group : European

Army Description : There is a compulsory military service. At age 17, young men are requested to join the military to serve for three years. If the request cannot be followed and the excuse for it is flawed, then they will be presented with the possibility of serving 5 years in the Bohemian Police Force. People who still come up with terrible excuses are then usually forced to pay a sum equal to the cost of the equipment of ten soldiers over a course of 5 years. People who still couldn't do what the officials asked of them are serving jail sentences and do forced labour.

Once drafted, the young soldiers will be outfitted with their standard equipment. Such as their blue-grey uniforms, field caps, Mannlicher M1895 rifles and additional gear. Rations or ammunition are not included and are only equipped when in the field and required aka they won't have ammunition with them during a training exercise about how to quickly build a base camp or during a short march 10 times around the camp. Anyways, once equipped, the soldiers will be trained extensively for 6 months with basic training. After that they are sorted into units and will receive additional training which may take up to 9 months depending on the army branch chosen for them.

A large portion of the Bohemian forces consists of Mountaineers. This is due to the mountaineous nature of the country with great mountain ranges such as the Alps, the Carpathians, the Erzgebirge, the Böhmerwald, the Riesengebirge etc. Especcially with the mountaineous nature of the border with the Hanseatic Germany, with which relations are highly strained, it is highly necessary to have a great amount of mountaineers who could fight in this terrain. Although they will probably mostly man the various forts which have been built since 1832 as a reaction to the violence in Bavaria. Apart from that there is a still fairly large cavalry force consisting of Hungarians. Due to tradition as well as the terrain of their country, mounted units are actually very viable. But do not worry, standard line infantry still exists and that in good number.

The Bohemian Army's main rifle is the Sztejr-Mannlicher M1895 although a substantial amount of Mannlicher M1890 carbines and Mannlicher M1888 rifles are still being used. The standard machinegun is the Salvator-Dormus M1893. The standard sidearm is the Gasser-Kropatschek M1876 revolver but a sidearm is only carried by NCOs and higher ranked officers. Exceptions are made for members of the Air Force. Motorisation is nonexistant and most of the army's transport goes by foot, horse, carriage or train. The artillery corps suffered badly from Jaromir II. reign and has many old pieces of artillery and the money to quickly replace them is not there so it will be a tedious process.

Due to a lack of sea access, the Bohemian Military did have quite some free money. And before anyone asks me why I'm writing that I am lacking the funds to quickly change out my aging artillery, it's because all the freed up money goes into the development of aerial technology. Massive amounts of funds are being poured into what the King and his government believe to be a revolutionary technology that will greatly affect the trade and the military.
Army Weakness : The army is of course a mess of different ethnicities leading to communication problems. Apart from that there are the obvious equipment problems that one gets when choosing an Austro-Hungarian arsenal. And of course the deployment problems. I certainly won't be fielding troops in Africa. And even troop movements within areas of my nation such as the Alps or the Carpathians will be incredibly difficult for me, not even talking about supplying troops there.
Naval Description : Uhm, it at best consists of some River Patrol boats which could have 6,6 cm cannons but that's really about it.
Naval Weakness : Yeah well, it really can't operate far away from a coast or port, it can't scratch larger ships and will sink with a single artillery hit.
Further Military Description : The Bohemian Army specialises in defensive warfare.

National Goals : Centralisation, Easing Ethnic Tensions, Developing Slovakia, Slovenia and Croatia, Gaining new Allies, Gaining Sea Access, Crushing the Hanseatic League, Reestablishing an HRE and reclaiming the title of Emperor
National Issues : Ethnic Issues, smoldering conflict between nobility and commoners, Aristocratic power struggles, a strong nationalist political force, German Irredentism
National Figures of Interest : King Ottokar the III, Archduke Vojtech II of Moravia, Archduke Hermann I of Silesia, Archduke Franz IV of Austria, Archduke Andreas VI of Transdanubia, Royal Police and Intelligence Commander Dietrich E. Haegler
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] Reestablishment of the HRE under Bohemian rule and in pretty much the dimensions of the Großösterreich plan

History :
New PoD is 1273 to give me some more time to work with and make the whole nation a little bit more reasonable.
-1273 King Ottokar II. of Bohemia wins the election for the new Emperor of the HRE
-1278 His former rival Rudolf von Habsburg did not get over their rivalry as well as Ottokar. During a feast held at Ottokar's residence in Vienna, he poisons Ottokar before being killed by guards.
-1279 Záviš of Falkenštejn assumes the regency for the underage king Wenceslaus II.. He successfully convinces the Elector Counts to elect the young boy as Emperor of the HRE. But everyone knows that they basically elect him for several years as he is the one handling the king's and now emperor's business.
-1279 Záviš initiates a large scale purge in the HRE, to wipe the small house of Habsburg from the map. It is generally seen as an act of revenge for King Ottokar II's untimely death and further cements the might and authority of the Premyslid dynasty.
-1284 The Regent Záviš starts a war with Venice. However, by now his intrigues have resulted in him having few friends and many foes within the HRE and he soon finds himself locked in a drawn out war with the Venetians and their many allies.
-1285 During the Siege of Venice, the Bohemian Host is surprised and utterly defeated by the Venetian Alliance
-1286 After a 3 month siege, the Venetian Forces take Vienna and find the young King there. He is of course taken as hostage. Weary of the war, Venice demands that Záviš ends the war on their terms, lest he wants something to happen to his king and emperor. Záviš on the other hand does not heed the warnings of his commanders and orders his newly formed host to attack the Venetian army. His troops however, with their morale low and fearing for their King and Emperor, openly disobey his orders and instead set him in chains. Friedrich von Klugers then represents Bohemia during the peace talks.
-1286 Bohemia signs the Peace Treaty with Venice and cedes the Margravate Friaul and pays a high sum to the other participants of the war. Záviš on the other hand is imprisoned in Prague.
-1290 Wenceslaus has Záviš publicly beheaded for treason and other crimes against the Empire and the Crown. He assumes leadership himself.
-1291 The King of Poland cedes the Duchy of Krakow to Wenceslaus II.
-1296 The King of Poland dies and Wenceslaus assumes Overlordship over Poland
-1298 A large silver mine was established. The King took control over it and issued the famous Prague Groschen.
-1300 King Wenceslaus of Bohemia and Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nationality is crowned as the King of Poland
-1301 When the King of Hungary died and his line became extinct, King Wenceslaus the second voiced his claim for the Hungarian throne. With the military might of both Poland and Bohemia to back him up, his son was quickly accepted as King of Hungary in the western Hungarian Territories.
-1303 In an attempt to unify the Hungarian Kingdom under his son, King Wenceslaus leads a large army into Eastern Hungary. Although ultimately a failed campaign, it succeeds in further cementing the Bohemian claim to the Hungarian throne.
-1304 King Wenceslaus II. dies during the Battle of Cegléd to an unnamed and unknown knight. His young son Wenceslaus III. takes the Bohemian and Polish throne in addition to his Hungarian Kingship.
-1304 New elections are held as to who gets to be the new Emperor and the title falls to Otto III. of Bavaria. Due to support he received from Wenceslaus during the election, the relations between the Emperor and Bohemia are rather amiable.
-1305 Wenceslaus III. proves to be a terrible king and ruler, unable of keeping his territories together. In Poland, the claimant to the polish throne, Wladyslaw the Elbow-high had occupied most of Poland leaving only Silesia still in Wenceslaus' hands. Wenceslaus, although terrible with everything, makes a smart move uses his connections to the emperor to take Silesia into the HRE, putting them under imperial protection and out of Wladyslaw's reach.
-1308 Wenceslaus III. is assasinated while preparing for a campaign against his unruly Hungarian Subjects. Luckily, his wife Elizabeth of Hungary shows signs of pregnancy.
-1309 Adorján I. is born. However, a baby cannot be king and rule and so his mother assumed the regency.
-1309 King Albert I. does not approve of this regency. He had actually hoped to install a Luxemburg as king of Bohemia. He challenges the legitimacy of Adorján I., spreading rumours that he may actually be a bastard and this was all just a trick so that his mother could rule.
-1310 King Albert intends to take with force what his smear campaign could not do. An army is marched into Bohemia, forcing Elizabeth and Adorján to flee to Vienna. Meanwhile Albert I. installs a Luxemburg on the Bohemian throne.
-1312 The resistance of the Bohemian nobility to his reign makes Henry VII of Luxemburg abandon Bohemia. The Bohemian nobles, loyal to Elizabeth, invite her and her son back in.
-1618 a war breaks out between the kingdom of Bohemia and the Duchy of Bavaria over the contested territories of Salzburg and Tyrol. The war drags out and drags in more and more factions and more and more people. As Bavaria also is the current Emperor of the HRE, it does actually have the troops and ressources to compete with the Bohemian Kingdom.
-1633 The 15 years War ends with a Bohemian victory. Tyrol, Salzburg and some other minor territories fall to the Bohemian Crown.
-1684 During the multiple wars being fought in Italy between Venice and the Italian States, Bohemia intervenes a little and recaptures a small part of the Margravate of Friaul.
-1789 With the constant rise of the Hansa threat to the north and the consequent outbreak of war, the southern and central german states turn to Bohemia, calling for it's protection in absolute unison. Bohemia once again ascends to become the Emperor of the HRE, something that it should stay untill the fall of Bavaria and the following dissolution of the HRE. Bohemia intervenes in the Central German War but is ultimately unable to protect Hesse and other Central German territories from the wrath of the Hansa
-1792 with the fall of Frankfurt, Bohemia pulls out of the war and licks it's wounds but also places an embargo on the Hansa. Once again Bohemia is truly flooded with refugees from the war torn areas. It's people from all walks of life who sought to escape the horrors of the war, belonged to the nobility, were loyal to the nobility or simple disagreed with the Hansa.
-1830 With his inability to protect those he had sworn to protect, the Emperor officially declared the end of the HRE when Hanseatic Troops intervened in Bavaria.
-1832 Following the truly massive influx of immigrants from Germany and the despicable actions of the Hansa, the public opinion of the Hansa shifts strongly into the negative and calls for war are heard on the streets.
However, the King and his aides still remember the defeat of 1792 and instead focus more on the modernisation and industrialisation of the Kingdom in order to keep up with the Hansa.
-1848 Major pro Hansa revolts occur in Silesia. However, it is only the commoners, enraptured by the thought of a german national state. The well prepared and Hansa hating nobility, the army and the Royal Police and Intelligence Department make short work of the them and make a bloody example of them in the major cities of Silesia. The King now also starts to cozy up with the minorities in his nation and especcially with the Hungarians, which are the second largest ethnic group in his nation behind the Czechs. He seeks to ensure their loyalty while he cannot be so sure of the germans' loyalty as the recent uprisings showed.
-1884 The Bohemian Kingdom condemns the Hanseatic Annexation of Luxemburg. The Pacifist King Jaromir II is forced by the Nationalists, Conservatists, Nobles and many others to come to the aid of Luxemburg but ultimately dies before any war could be declared. The ensuing political chaos saved Hansa from another war but the public opinion of them stays terrible as ever.
-1888 King Ottokar III. ascends to the throne and, seeing the ghastly state the military is in as well as feeling the pressure of the public, he decided to start major rearmament and modernisation programs for the army.

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by **Tracian Empire** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:38 pm

Togeria wrote:I'm going to politely ask I be removed from the list please.

Alrighty

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