The Grey Wardens: Warden-Lieutenant Eshialand

[Roavin]

... which is, in a way, a weapon, as you can use that to influence your pears to use their weapons on your enemy of your choice. I presume they use ... spears.

The family members of your fallen enemies will shed many tears.

And fallen enemies there shall be aplenty, in your long carear.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Is it true that the Grey Wardens now have a policy against intervention in any internal Feeder or Sinker conflict?

For what it's worth, I promise that this line of questioning is not directly about Lazarus, nor intended to become yet another Lazarus discussion.

[Warden Roavin]

Is it true that the Grey Wardens now have a policy against intervention in any internal Feeder or Sinker conflict?

For what it's worth, I promise that this line of questioning is not directly about Lazarus, nor intended to become yet another Lazarus discussion.

I'll quote Chamberlain Vincent Drake:

It is TGW's standing position not to interfere with the internal affairs of GCRs.

This isn't new, by the way.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Is it true that the Grey Wardens now have a policy against intervention in any internal Feeder or Sinker conflict?

For what it's worth, I promise that this line of questioning is not directly about Lazarus, nor intended to become yet another Lazarus discussion.

I'll quote Chamberlain Vincent Drake:

It is TGW's standing position not to interfere with the internal affairs of GCRs.

This isn't new, by the way.

Thanks. My follow-up question: How does it benefit the South Pacific, for example, to constantly work with you militarily if you aren't going to defend the South Pacific if a coup d'etat is perpetrated against it by its Delegate? It seems like you're getting more numbers and they're getting nothing.

[Roavin]

And now I reply from the other nation

The SPSF isn't working with the Grey Wardens as a favor to them. SPSF is the military of an unaligned feeder with the requirement to have a base of soldiers ready to do what TSP needs done militarily - that might be defend its homeland, defend allies, attack strategic enemies, etc.. Now, such operations are quite rare (since TSP doesn't need to invent "foreign policy objectives" to feel relevant) so SPSF does many other things in order to keep its force active, motivated, trained, and practiced for when that eventuality does come up. SPSF's strategy of doing many defense operations in Libcord, anti-hate operations with CAIN or RNS, and the occasional tag runs with Lily has worked incredibly well, leading to SPSF becoming, and remaining, the most active feeder military by far.

[Cormactopia Prime]

The SPSF isn't working with the Grey Wardens as a favor to them. SPSF is the military of an unaligned feeder with the requirement to have a base of soldiers ready to do what TSP needs done militarily - that might be defend its homeland, defend allies, attack strategic enemies, etc.. Now, such operations are quite rare (since TSP doesn't need to invent "foreign policy objectives" to feel relevant) so SPSF does many other things in order to keep its force active, motivated, trained, and practiced for when that eventuality does come up. SPSF's strategy of doing many defense operations in Libcord, anti-hate operations with CAIN or RNS, and the occasional tag runs with Lily has worked incredibly well, leading to SPSF becoming, and remaining, the most active feeder military by far.

Okay, well, that's incredibly silly because the SPSF could be spending its time building up its existing alliances and making progress toward new alliances, with regions that will actually defend the South Pacific, instead of spending its time working with a defender region that won't defend the South Pacific.

That said, my question actually was for the Grey Wardens to answer, not the South Pacific, so I would like to have the First Warden back to answer a more generalized version of the question: How does it benefit Feeders and Sinkers to militarily collaborate with you when you won't defend them against coups, instead of spending their time building up alliances with regions that will? What do you have to offer to Feeders and Sinkers? Clearly, not defense.

[Shizensky Prime]

That said, my question actually was for the Grey Wardens to answer, not the South Pacific, so I would like to have the First Warden back to answer a more generalized version of the question: How does it benefit Feeders and Sinkers to militarily collaborate with you when you won't defend them against coups, instead of spending their time building up alliances with regions that will? What do you have to offer to Feeders and Sinkers? Clearly, not defense.

Hi. Not the First Warden, but a longtime gameplayer and a Warden nonetheless.

While SPSF has an impressively active military, no single organization is in a position where success can be found without collaboration. Whether they are working with raiders or defenders, a collaborative effort increases the strength of the force and, as a result, the chances for victory increase. I would imagine that TSP has in interest in seeing their military become successful, so a relationship that helps achieve such success would be beneficial to TSP. Further, they increase their soft power by having their people interacting openly and on a regular basis with people they otherwise wouldn't have an opportunity to meet. SPSF, and by extension TSP, are cast in a positive light and get a win in the foreign outreach column.

A region need not focus primarily on foreign affairs or a military to strengthen both. This is why many regions form departments or ministries and put teams in place to build these areas. From what I gather, the folks in TSP are quite capable of multitasking, especially if the abilities of the SPSF are any indication.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Hi. Not the First Warden, but a longtime gameplayer and a Warden nonetheless.

While SPSF has an impressively active military, no single organization is in a position where success can be found without collaboration. Whether they are working with raiders or defenders, a collaborative effort increases the strength of the force and, as a result, the chances for victory increase. I would imagine that TSP has in interest in seeing their military become successful, so a relationship that helps achieve such success would be beneficial to TSP. Further, they increase their soft power by having their people interacting openly and on a regular basis with people they otherwise wouldn't have an opportunity to meet. SPSF, and by extension TSP, are cast in a positive light and get a win in the foreign outreach column.

A region need not focus primarily on foreign affairs or a military to strengthen both. This is why many regions form departments or ministries and put teams in place to build these areas. From what I gather, the folks in TSP are quite capable of multitasking, especially if the abilities of the SPSF are any indication.

The issue, though, is that they could be doing all that you mention by working more with their existing allies like The North Pacific and Europeia, or trying to work with new prospective allies who will defend them, instead of working almost constantly with the Grey Wardens. They could do all that you're saying and build up lasting alliances with regions that will actually defend them, so why would they prioritize cooperation with a region that won't?

There's really nothing that the Grey Wardens offer that other regions don't. But other regions will agree to defend the South Pacific. So it doesn't really make any sense for them to focus on cooperating with the Grey Wardens, nor does that make sense for any other Feeder or Sinker.

[Altmoras]

There's really nothing that the Grey Wardens offer that other regions don't.

It's called fun.

[Kanglia]

There's really nothing that the Grey Wardens offer that other regions don't.

It's called fun.

And success, I think you forgot success.

Secondly Cormac, The Grey Wardens, in my personal estimation, offer a legitimate group community in addition to the fun & success that is associated with working with TGW. The reality of the situation is that TGW are a group of people who have fun, each and every update. That is likely one of the reasons that SPSF continues to work with them. The Grey Wardens are a successful & fun loving organization, and that appeals to TSP & other regions in high regard, which is why you see The Grey Wardens truly being one of if not the most important group in all of defenderdom.

[Cormactopia Prime]

"Fun" and the other feel-good nonsense, which plenty of other regions also offer at update, won't liberate the South Pacific next time there's a coup. That is also true of any other Feeder or Sinker that makes the mistake of prioritizing cooperation with the Wardens over regions that will defend them.

[Altmoras]

"Fun" and the other feel-good nonsense, which plenty of other regions also offer at update, won't liberate the South Pacific next time there's a coup.

Some of us see NationStates as a game you play to enjoy yourself.

[Vincent Drake]

We *will* defend The South Pacific against external coups. Internal power struggles are a region's own business, though. There are probably scenarios where a delegate-led coup would be actionable, but we don't exactly red-game all the various ways to coup a region beyond Osiris, so I have no examples

[Kanglia]

"Fun" and the other feel-good nonsense, which plenty of other regions also offer at update, won't liberate the South Pacific next time there's a coup. That is also true of any other Feeder or Sinker that makes the mistake of prioritizing cooperation with the Wardens over regions that will defend them.

Cormac, I think you would enjoy this game so much more if you were to lighten up & live a little.

[Shizensky Prime]

"Fun" and the other feel-good nonsense, which plenty of other regions also offer at update, won't liberate the South Pacific next time there's a coup. That is also true of any other Feeder or Sinker that makes the mistake of prioritizing cooperation with the Wardens over regions that will defend them.

Cormac, I think you would enjoy this game so much more if you were to lighten up & live a little.

I don't think there's much room to doubt that he very much enjoys playing the game to his style. Many of us may not like it, and his setups are quite transparent, but you can't deny he's got something of a knack for it.

[Shizensky Prime]

The issue, though, is that they could be doing all that you mention by working more with their existing allies like The North Pacific and Europeia, or trying to work with new prospective allies who will defend them, instead of working almost constantly with the Grey Wardens. They could do all that you're saying and build up lasting alliances with regions that will actually defend them, so why would they prioritize cooperation with a region that won't?

There's really nothing that the Grey Wardens offer that other regions don't. But other regions will agree to defend the South Pacific. So it doesn't really make any sense for them to focus on cooperating with the Grey Wardens, nor does that make sense for any other Feeder or Sinker.

One key error in this and your other statements is the idea that SPSF is working with TGW as a matter of intent. They come to Libcord, that's true enough, but the server owner isn't TGW and makes it quite clear that he has no interest in joining. Many Defender regions are represented every night.

While it's true that TGW often fields the largest non-SPSF attendance at update, I think it would be more accurate to suggest that you've got it backwards - we're the ones defending with the SPSF. SPSF is bringing the numbers, SPSF is setting the triggers, SPSF is making many of the decisions. They're an effective and influential forces in the field and you do the SPSF a major disservice to suggest that they're the followers.

There's really nothing that the Grey Wardens offer that other regions don't.

Except for regular activity.

[Cormactopia Prime]

"Fun" and the other feel-good nonsense, which plenty of other regions also offer at update, won't liberate the South Pacific next time there's a coup.

Some of us see NationStates as a game you play to enjoy yourself.

"Fun" and the other feel-good nonsense, which plenty of other regions also offer at update, won't liberate the South Pacific next time there's a coup. That is also true of any other Feeder or Sinker that makes the mistake of prioritizing cooperation with the Wardens over regions that will defend them.

Cormac, I think you would enjoy this game so much more if you were to lighten up & live a little.

I've had fun at update plenty of times, with the Wardens and with others. Defending is fun. Raiding is fun. I'm not denying it!

I would not suggest that a Feeder or Sinker in which I'm involved cease prioritizing all of its other allies to start exclusively updating with the Wardens, though. That would be absurd and completely against my region's interests. Unfortunately, that appears to be the foreign policy of the South Pacific.

[Tim-Opolis]

I would not suggest that a Feeder or Sinker in which I'm involved cease prioritizing all of its other allies to start exclusively updating with the Wardens, though.

You're right, that would be an issue. It's fortunate, therefore, that The South Pacific is also regularly participating in operations with its allies Spiritus, with its allies The Rejected Realms, with its allies in CAIN, and did participate in operations with its allies in Lazarus before Funkadelia perpetuated his coup. Now, I'm not Yuno, Vietnam, Resentine, or Roavin so I can't speak as to the direct affairs of the SPSF, but I've found it that they regularly cooperate with interested parties and would likely work with Europeia or The North Pacific if either of those two remaining allies desired it.

So, in that case, you're right. It would be important to avoid prioritizing those without a treaty over those with a treaty. It is therefore fortunate that it works actively with 4/6 of its treatied partners. If the ERN or the NPA ever whipped their military into functional form, I imagine that they could be worked with too.

[Escade]

I originally joined the SPSF to get a sense of what it was like being active in R\D and honestly planned to go back to being WA immobile before my influence fell. Obviously, something about the enjoyability of it has kept me in it nearly 3 months later.

Probably because it's a break from politics and also feels good because the wins (or unwins) are like easy to tally and simple and free of entanglements. (Also I really like chasing because its new and exciting and also unpredictable).

I've grown to enjoy the company of a lot of the people, across organizations therefore the Expo, so that speaks to the community and the silliness and fun. I feel like my goal in life in general is to enjoy. We learn new things, share music, talk about like random stuff. The only motive is "have fun and like enjoy the VC convos" that end up keeping me awake like later and later.

And now looking at the MS Paint contest and I'm still waiting for Roavin's entry because I have the portrait he made me way back when I didn't even know who he was

[Altmoras]

Commander Altmoras blowing the dust off

My my, it's been ten whole days since we made one of these. A fact that totally has nothing to do with Shitposter General Tim being away from the keyboard I'm sure. It has also been two hundred and forty days since I made one of these, so excuse the incoming storm as I blow the dust off my reporting keyboard. Anyway, we chased taggers around the many seas of Max's creation, and libbed a weak hold by K-Reich, and that's pretty much it. Although, now that I think about it I don't recall ever seeing a strong hold from K-Reich so the "weak" is a little redundant.

Region Liberated
The True Communist Nations

Regions Defended
Right Wing Love Squads
Tech Warriors
The North Sea Western Alliance
Green is for Freedom
The Globalist World

Wardens Involved
Chamberlain Vincent Drake
Warden-Commander Altmoras
Warden Izonno
Warden Kingdom of Circle of Magi
Warden Shizensky

Friends Present
Escade SPSF
Vietnam SPSF
Violet SPSF/FORGE (No not that Violet)

Also reminder that there are still a few days to submit your entries to our MS Paint Art Contest so show up and show us all what you've got!

[Intelligeneria]

Charles coughs as he is surrounded by all the dust.

Go-gasp-Good work!

[Altmoras]

Actually Mandatory Listening

They fall in line
One endo at a time
Ready to play
(I can see them anyway)
No time to lose
We've got to move
Steady your helm
(I won't lose sight of them)

Fire your clicks
It's time to run
Blow them away
(I will stay, in the mess I made)
After the fall
We'll shake it off
Show me the way

Only the strongest will survive
Lead me to TRR, when we die
I am the shadow on the wall
I'll be the one to save us all

There's nothing left
So save your breath
Lying in wait
(Caught inside this tidal wave)
Your cover's blown
No where to go
Holding your fate
(Loaded I will walk alone)

Fire your clicks
It's time to run
Blow them away
(I will stay, in the mess I made)
After the fall
We'll shake it off
Show me the way

Only the strongest will survive
Lead me to TRR, when we die
I am the shadow on the wall
I'll be the one to save us all

...save us all

Fewer than usual troop numbers were no deterrent to the success of TGW and pals today as raiders were blown away in the majority of regions we jumped to. The Wardens accumulated thirteen defenses and one liberation in the blowout. This immense collection of victories comes despite both groups of raiders chased being blown all the way out of update and quitting early.

Regions Raiders Were Blown Away In: 13 ^{Regions Defended}
The Land of Lecky
Ye Olde DMA
Christmas
The Grand Cat Nation
ECOMMUNISTS
Kingdoms of the World
Maria is cool
The Barricades
The Mid Pacific
The simulation
The Seven Circles of Hades
Southeastern Confederacy
Scarce

Region Raiders Were Super Blown Away In: 1 ^{Region Liberated}
Ebola Quarantine Zone

Wardens Involved
Chamberlain Vincent Drake
Commander Altmoras
Warden Shizensky

Friends Present
Vietnam SPSF
Escade SPSF

[The Sygian]

Nice job. You guys have really improved since I triggered last! (And variance wasn't very merciful this update)

[Tim-Opolis]

Thank god someone was writing reports while I was moving

[Escade]

Thanks for the song link Love finding cool new music!


Also this update was such a feel good one <3