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Postby McMannia Times Six » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:24 am

Drop Your Pants wrote:
McMannia Times Six wrote:Its also called holding peoples attention, and this isnt going to forever. People will find something else to be worked up about, or IRL things will take their attention away, or they'll give up because a long term fight wasnt what they signed up for and they have other obligations. Every day that passes without victory makes it less likely the "resistance" will ever be able to see that victory happen.

Since you're here, does h y d r a work with TI now? I can see some of your troops in there too :P


No, it just so happens that we aligned with the same faction separately. We were the first to declare and the invaders came after us. We have our significant differences with the invaders, but they aren't a hindrance or a deterrent to our continued support of Funkadelia's regime.
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Postby Roavin » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:47 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
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Funkadelia has had a significant net loss in endorsements, despite being continuously piled upon by outside forces. I'd say the direction is clear.

Does it matter though? You and I both know it doesn't, not with the tactics the "resistance" is currently using, or failing to use as the case may be.


You keep saying it's dead, and yet I see slow but steady gains. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Brunhizzle » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:03 pm

a concern for human dignity and an opposition to those who would violate it.


Oh, brother. :roll:

I don't know if appealing to a raider group's morality utilizing the same sentiment used to demonize them for raiding is the best choice you could have made.
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Postby Canton Empire » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:08 pm

Brunhizzle wrote:
a concern for human dignity and an opposition to those who would violate it.


Oh, brother. :roll:

I don't know if appealing to a raider group's morality utilizing the same sentiment used to demonize them for raiding is the best choice you could have made.

Are you saying that raiders are incapable of RL morality because they are raiders? Legitimately confused.
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Postby Brunhizzle » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:10 pm

Canton Empire wrote:Are you saying that raiders are incapable of RL morality because they are raiders? Legitimately confused.


I'm pointing out the irony in a defender leaning government-in-exile's attempt to win over raiders with the same logic that has been used to condemn them for years.
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Postby Canton Empire » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:14 pm

Brunhizzle wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:Are you saying that raiders are incapable of RL morality because they are raiders? Legitimately confused.


I'm pointing out the irony in a defender leaning government-in-exile's attempt to win over raiders with the same logic that has been used to condemn them for years.

So pointing out that a group supporting Funkadelia's government is OOC toxic is somehow wrong?
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Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:50 pm

Brunhizzle wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:Are you saying that raiders are incapable of RL morality because they are raiders? Legitimately confused.


I'm pointing out the irony in a defender leaning government-in-exile's attempt to win over raiders with the same logic that has been used to condemn them for years.

The morality of raiding is an irrelevant matter. This is a game. I've been a raider and a defender, I don't give a damn about morality in that regard. But the disgusting conduct of the Invaders transcends gameplay and becomes a matter of basic human decency.
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Postby McMannia Times Six » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:53 pm

My severe personal dislike for the invaders aside, Hydra will continue to support the rightful leader Funkadelia.
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Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:00 pm

McMannia Times Six wrote:My severe personal dislike for the invaders aside, Hydra will continue to support the rightful leader Funkadelia.

But clearly it's the defenders who are undermining the sovereignty of GCRs and turning them into ideologically pure puppet regions.
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Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:01 pm

McMannia Times Six wrote:My severe personal dislike for the invaders aside, Hydra will continue to support the rightful leader Funkadelia.


It's pretty obvious why LWU is backing Funk, and I'm not that surprised that TI is either.

I still don't understand what is in it for you.
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Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:09 pm

Pentaga Giudici wrote:
McMannia Times Six wrote:My severe personal dislike for the invaders aside, Hydra will continue to support the rightful leader Funkadelia.


It's pretty obvious why LWU is backing Funk, and I'm not that surprised that TI is either.

I still don't understand what is in it for you.

Something, something raider unity.
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Postby McMannia Times Six » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:27 pm

Ikania wrote:
Pentaga Giudici wrote:
It's pretty obvious why LWU is backing Funk, and I'm not that surprised that TI is either.

I still don't understand what is in it for you.

Something, something raider unity.


No such thing as raider unity, except in the eye of naive young raiderlings.
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Postby Canton Empire » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:39 pm

Ikania wrote:
Pentaga Giudici wrote:
It's pretty obvious why LWU is backing Funk, and I'm not that surprised that TI is either.

I still don't understand what is in it for you.

Something, something raider unity.

He's trying to Make HYDRA Great Again
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Postby The Sygian » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:36 pm

Ikania wrote:
Pentaga Giudici wrote:
It's pretty obvious why LWU is backing Funk, and I'm not that surprised that TI is either.

I still don't understand what is in it for you.

Something, something raider unity.

It's definitely not Raider Unity. And you of all people should not be the one pointing out such cases. :blush:

McMannia Times Six wrote:No such thing as raider unity, except in the eye of naive young raiderlings.


What a remarkably disheartening school of thought.
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Postby Illiana » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:37 pm

Politics, politics. Lazarus is turning into the US! All joking aside, I see a lot of talk about mediation and trials. Talk of mediators from The South Pacific, which is supporting the Government-in-Exile. Talk of trials that will take place if the Government-in-Exile wins, to be presided over by judges from Lazarus itself.

Why not think even more outside the box? Pick mediators from the major regions that have no stake in this. I'm sure picking one person from The North Pacific, one person from The Pacific, and one person from The East Pacific, that they could work together to mediate between the two sides of this internal conflict.

When it comes to a trial, if the Government-in-Exile actually wins, why pick judges from Lazarus? Why not pick one judge from each of the regions I just named? They can interpret Lazarus's mandate together, and act on what they deem to be unlawful by Lazarus's laws. Life is about compromise, so why can't NS be the same thing?
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Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:53 pm

Illiana wrote:Politics, politics. Lazarus is turning into the US! All joking aside, I see a lot of talk about mediation and trials. Talk of mediators from The South Pacific, which is supporting the Government-in-Exile. Talk of trials that will take place if the Government-in-Exile wins, to be presided over by judges from Lazarus itself.

Why not think even more outside the box? Pick mediators from the major regions that have no stake in this. I'm sure picking one person from The North Pacific, one person from The Pacific, and one person from The East Pacific, that they could work together to mediate between the two sides of this internal conflict.

When it comes to a trial, if the Government-in-Exile actually wins, why pick judges from Lazarus? Why not pick one judge from each of the regions I just named? They can interpret Lazarus's mandate together, and act on what they deem to be unlawful by Lazarus's laws. Life is about compromise, so why can't NS be the same thing?

I personally won't shut the door to anything that can end this conflict peacefully and bring about reconciliation with the preservation of our region's democracy.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:57 am

Regional law doesn't allow for non-citizens to act as prelates, but the part about mediation is fine.
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Postby Escade » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:03 am

Ikania wrote:
Illiana wrote:Politics, politics. Lazarus is turning into the US! All joking aside, I see a lot of talk about mediation and trials. Talk of mediators from The South Pacific, which is supporting the Government-in-Exile. Talk of trials that will take place if the Government-in-Exile wins, to be presided over by judges from Lazarus itself.

Why not think even more outside the box? Pick mediators from the major regions that have no stake in this. I'm sure picking one person from The North Pacific, one person from The Pacific, and one person from The East Pacific, that they could work together to mediate between the two sides of this internal conflict.

When it comes to a trial, if the Government-in-Exile actually wins, why pick judges from Lazarus? Why not pick one judge from each of the regions I just named? They can interpret Lazarus's mandate together, and act on what they deem to be unlawful by Lazarus's laws. Life is about compromise, so why can't NS be the same thing?

I personally won't shut the door to anything that can end this conflict peacefully and bring about reconciliation with the preservation of our region's democracy.


This has been the resistance's stance from day one. And therefore, now the ball is in the coupers court so to speak. Are they willing to negotiate or are they only trolling us with the hopes of mediation while ramrodding through illegal and fundamental changes to the government structure.

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:11 am

Escade wrote:This has been the resistance's stance from day one. And therefore, now the ball is in the coupers court so to speak. Are they willing to negotiate or are they only trolling us with the hopes of mediation while ramrodding through illegal and fundamental changes to the government structure.

Sorry, when has the Lazarene government under Funkadelia at all indicated hope of mediation?

I will once again point out, as well, that the "resistance" isn't actually interested in mediation or negotiation. Their starting point is Funkadelia's surrender.

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Postby Ikania » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:22 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Escade wrote:This has been the resistance's stance from day one. And therefore, now the ball is in the coupers court so to speak. Are they willing to negotiate or are they only trolling us with the hopes of mediation while ramrodding through illegal and fundamental changes to the government structure.

Sorry, when has the Lazarene government under Funkadelia at all indicated hope of mediation?

I will once again point out, as well, that the "resistance" isn't actually interested in mediation or negotiation. Their starting point is Funkadelia's surrender.

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Postby Escade » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:27 am

I've been in talks with Wolf for that past several days about negotiation. I was in talks with Funk until Wolf recently took over. We've gotten to the point of discussing possible negotiators and I will follow up with the regions mentioned today. However, if the monarchy government is ramrodded through before Lazarenes can be allowed to return - then what?

And no, the Lazarene government in exile has not made Funk an issue. See above.

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:32 am

Escade wrote:I've been in talks with Wolf for that past several days about negotiation. I was in talks with Funk until Wolf recently took over. We've gotten to the point of discussing possible negotiators and I will follow up with the regions mentioned today. However, if the monarchy government is ramrodded through before Lazarenes can be allowed to return - then what?

Then hopefully the "resistance" will all move to the South Pacific or the Rejected Realms, where they belong.

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Postby The Sygian » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:47 am

Escade wrote:This has been the resistance's stance from day one. And therefore, now the ball is in the coupers court so to speak.

I think it's safe to say that the ball has been in Funkadelia's court since day one. The resistance never had a chance with Ikania and Somyrion at the helm of the canoe, most certainly after the recent stunt they pulled.
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Postby Ikania » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:59 am

The Sygian wrote:
Escade wrote:This has been the resistance's stance from day one. And therefore, now the ball is in the coupers court so to speak.

I think it's safe to say that the ball has been in Funkadelia's court since day one. The resistance never had a chance with Ikania and Somyrion at the helm of the canoe, most certainly after the recent stunt they pulled.

I wasn't aware we've been pulling stunts.
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Postby Escade » Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:00 pm

The Sygian wrote:
Escade wrote:This has been the resistance's stance from day one. And therefore, now the ball is in the coupers court so to speak.

I think it's safe to say that the ball has been in Funkadelia's court since day one. The resistance never had a chance with Ikania and Somyrion at the helm of the canoe, most certainly after the recent stunt they pulled.



Honestly, a lot of these comments just translate to me as "If we were leading this resistance, game would be over and like won by now."

Which, like maybe talk to the resistance about your expertise and stuff?

I mean my own military strategy is "let's negotiate people, guns kills and words thrill" or something.

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