Israeli art student steals Auschwitz artefacts

[Reploid Productions]

DEATH TO THE NAZIS

As abhorrent as the Nazi ideology is, "Death to <group>" is still blatant trolling and thus against the site rules, even when aimed at Nazis. Given that is also has precisely nothing to do with the thread topic regarding the situation of an Israeli art student stealing from a Polish museum, it's also spamming. Knock it off.


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[Pope Joan]

I was afraid that the purpose of the theft was in order to support a drug habit or something.

But this thief had good motives; maybe the institution could take a lesson from this incident and start a circulating exhibit.

I especially enjoy the theft of the "no stealing" sign.

So I should be able to steal artifacts from museums because I feel that I would be able to appreciate them better?

Maybe! Too many museums simply sit on their assets.
Collections should be circulated, not hoarded.

[Sovaal]

So I should be able to steal artifacts from museums because I feel that I would be able to appreciate them better?

Maybe! Too many museums simply sit on their assets.
Collections should be circulated, not hoarded.

I doubt all that many people many people are going to be able to see her art exhibit. And plenty of museums share exhibits all the time.

Also, doubt that every Joe Blow who steals priceless artifacts from museums are really doing it because they want more people to see them.

[Ifreann]

So I should be able to steal artifacts from museums because I feel that I would be able to appreciate them better?

Maybe! Too many museums simply sit on their assets.
Collections should be circulated, not hoarded.

Yes, anything that isn't nailed down in Auschwitz should be circulated around by thieves. That'll preserve forever the memory of the Holocaust.

[Sovaal]

Maybe! Too many museums simply sit on their assets.
Collections should be circulated, not hoarded.

Yes, anything that isn't nailed down in Auschwitz should be circulated around by thieves. That'll preserve forever the memory of the Holocaust.

Stupid museums, hoarding priceless artifacts and allowing the general public to look at them when I could be selling them for thousands of dollars to the upperclass for their private collections.


/s
Also, lets take the nails too.

[Nerodanus]

I'm Jewish, and after having a good long laugh at how she is going to remember the millions killed there with 'Soil' I came to the conclusion that she is a thief and needs to be thrown in prison.

[Saiwania]

Nazism isn't such a bad ideology, provided it is placed within its proper historical context. It was at its root, an anti-communist movement that took social Darwinism to an extreme. I'm open to reopening Auschwitz to turn it into a proper prison again (only the crematoriums should only be used for prisoners who legitimately die of natural causes) or demolishing the site to turn it into a nature preserve or freeing up that land for newer development.

Poland ought to consider it, because the Holocaust is such old news at this point. We're approaching perhaps the best time to move on. A location can't remain static and frozen in time for forever. Sooner or later, it will change like anywhere else.

[Sovaal]

Nazism isn't such a bad ideology, provided it is placed within its proper historical context. It was at its root, an anti-communist movement that took social Darwinism to an extreme.

So an ideology that at it's base uses flawed psuedo-science to push for the concept of some "Aryan" master race that some how was exclusively Germanic and calls for the extermination of certain groups of people, including the Poles, is at it's base not a bad ideology?

I'm open to reopening Auschwitz to turn it into a proper prison again (only the crematoriums should only be used for prisoners who legitimately die of natural causes) or demolishing the site to turn it into a nature preserve or freeing up that land for newer development.

The Polish government and people seem to be doing fine with the museum as is.

Poland ought to consider it, because the Holocaust is such old news at this point.

There are people still alive who where sent to the camps.

We're approaching perhaps the best time to move on. A location can't remain static and frozen in time for forever. Sooner or later, it will change like anywhere else.

You obviously have never been to an American Civil War battlefield.

[The Two Jerseys]

The thief is quoted saying to a newspaper that "Millions of people were murdered based on the moral laws of a certain country, under a certain regime, and if these are the laws, I can go there and act according to my own laws."

So...she admits she's a Nazi?

Or at least on the same level as the Nazis?

[USS Monitor]

We're approaching perhaps the best time to move on. A location can't remain static and frozen in time for forever. Sooner or later, it will change like anywhere else.

You obviously have never been to an American Civil War battlefield.

Civil War battlefields do change over time. Some are turned into historical parks so they can preserve the most significant landmarks and keep the land from getting built over with modern buildings, but the land at battlefield parks is still not exactly as it was. Places that used to be farms are no longer being planted with the crops that were there at the time of the war. The trees are no longer in the same places they were.

I'm being pedantic, though. I support keeping Auschwitz as a museum. I've never been there myself, but I know people who visited and found it a moving experience. It's obviously a piece of history that some people still relate to and want to memorialize.

Also, just from a practical point of view, the museum is better for the local economy than anything else they could build on that site. It's a major tourist attraction that draws in visitors from all over the world.

[Ifreann]

Nazism isn't such a bad ideology, provided it is placed within its proper historical context. It was at its root, an anti-communist movement that took social Darwinism to an extreme. I'm open to reopening Auschwitz to turn it into a proper prison again (only the crematoriums should only be used for prisoners who legitimately die of natural causes) or demolishing the site to turn it into a nature preserve or freeing up that land for newer development.

Poland ought to consider it, because the Holocaust is such old news at this point. We're approaching perhaps the best time to move on. A location can't remain static and frozen in time for forever. Sooner or later, it will change like anywhere else.

With the way you want to do anything with the site except keep it as a museum and memorial to those who died there, one might get the impression that you want everyone to just forget about that time your ideological forebears committed the worst crime in human history.

[Sovaal]

You obviously have never been to an American Civil War battlefield.

Civil War battlefields do change over time. Some are turned into historical parks so they can preserve the most significant landmarks and keep the land from getting built over with modern buildings, but the land at battlefield parks is still not exactly as it was. Places that used to be farms are no longer being planted with the crops that were there at the time of the war. The trees are no longer in the same places they were.

I'm being pedantic, though. I support keeping Auschwitz as a museum. I've never been there myself, but I know people who visited and found it a moving experience. It's obviously a piece of history that some people still relate to and want to memorialize.

Also, just from a practical point of view, the museum is better for the local economy than anything else they could build on that site. It's a major tourist attraction that draws in visitors from all over the world.

Well I'll defer to the Civil War ship's assessment of Civil War battle sites.

[Crockerland]

The objects she stole include shards of glass, a metal screw, bowls, soil, and a sign saying not to take anything from the museum.

She stole broken glass, a screw, some bowls, and fucking dirt, how will the Polish people ever recover?

[Ifreann]

The objects she stole include shards of glass, a metal screw, bowls, soil, and a sign saying not to take anything from the museum.

She stole broken glass, a screw, some bowls, and fucking dirt, how will the Polish people ever recover?

By seeing her spend a few years in prison.

[Crockerland]

She stole broken glass, a screw, some bowls, and fucking dirt, how will the Polish people ever recover?

By seeing her spend a few years in prison.

A very disproportionate and unlikely sentence considering that she stole broken glass, bowls, a screw, dirt, and a sign.

[Korhe]

Theft is theft and the people running the museum are not Nazis, so her excuse is complete shit. They're not even German for that matter -- though even if something like this happened at Dachau, I'd still side with the museum on the grounds that the Holocaust was a shared tragedy, not just one person or one family, and it should be a collective decision, not an individual one, how the artefacts are handled. It's really self-absorbed and disrespectful to just take stuff without consulting the millions of other people for whom the Holocaust is part of their history.

IOW, throw the book at her.

[b][i]the people running the museum are not Nazis[b][i]

I would like to add to this by pointing out that the Nazis hated Slavs like the Poles just as much as they did the Jews.

[Aethrys]

And here we have final stage rad liberalism.

[Risottia]

Yes, anything that isn't nailed down in Auschwitz should be circulated around by thieves. That'll preserve forever the memory of the Holocaust.

Stupid museums, hoarding priceless artifacts and allowing the general public to look at them when I could be selling them for thousands of dollars to the upperclass for their private collections.


/s
Also, lets take the nails too.

I guess this is a case for His Archiness, as NS's Resident Professional Archaeologist.
"That barbed wire belongs in a museum!"

[Infected Mushroom]

He may be making a valid artistic point. I think we may have to give him a pass otherwise there might be a threat to freedom of expression. We should at least mull it over. I think I'll go get some tea and think about this...

[The Huskar Social Union]

He may be making a valid artistic point. I think we may have to give him a pass otherwise there might be a threat to freedom of expression. We should at least mull it over. I think I'll go get some tea and think about this...

She does not get a pass just because she is an artist and has artistic freedom, im a fecking artist "valid artistic point" is a cheap cop out, does not change the fact she stole from a museum dedicated to preserving the history of the Holocaust, get the stuff she stole and charge her for it.

[Wallenburg]

He may be making a valid artistic point. I think we may have to give him a pass otherwise there might be a threat to freedom of expression. We should at least mull it over. I think I'll go get some tea and think about this...

TIL theft is just speech. I should check out that Bank of America tomorrow afternoon...

And here we have final stage rad liberalism.

I don't see what this has to do with liberalism of any variety.

[The Federation of Kendor]

I think she must return it to the museum. She committed a crime, by stealing artifacts from the museum without permission. And thus she must be punished, and therefore, most likely send off to a prison. Though I think her supervisor will get criticized for defending a crime, and she will have her future ruined and expelled from her school, and thus, most likely becoming something of a target for the Palestinian radicals, or street artist, which are both not great

[Risottia]

He may be making a valid artistic point. I think we may have to give him a pass otherwise there might be a threat to freedom of expression. We should at least mull it over. I think I'll go get some tea and think about this...

Come to think, if she says laws don't matter, I don't see why Poland shouldn't apply reciprocity, and drop in her case the laws that protect her from being abducted, tried without right to defense and appeal, and then drawn and quartered in a randomly selected square of Warsaw for the amusement of the public. [/sarcasm]

[Katganistan]

Nazism isn't such a bad ideology, provided it is placed within its proper historical context. It was at its root, an anti-communist movement that took social Darwinism to an extreme. I'm open to reopening Auschwitz to turn it into a proper prison again (only the crematoriums should only be used for prisoners who legitimately die of natural causes) or demolishing the site to turn it into a nature preserve or freeing up that land for newer development.

Poland ought to consider it, because the Holocaust is such old news at this point. We're approaching perhaps the best time to move on. A location can't remain static and frozen in time for forever. Sooner or later, it will change like anywhere else.

The combination of "Nazism isn't such a bad ideology" and the idea of destroying an historical site meant to never let us forget how disastrously horrible it was reveals an agenda I am sure many neo-Nazis would endorse.

[Khalisako]

I think people that steal from auschwitz should be jailed in auschwitz. It'll make them appreciate the place a little more.

Maybe a year or summat, I dunno.