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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:59 pm

Gallia- wrote:lmao landlocked

I chose that deliberately because I genuinely don't care about ships and navies and such beyond a few idiosyncrasies like late 19th century capital ship ramming bows. It's just not interesting for me.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:59 pm

Gallia- wrote:lmao landlocked

Code word for useless irrelevant state.

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Postby Gallia- » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:00 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Gallia- wrote:lmao landlocked

Code word for useless irrelevant state.


yep

Purpelia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:lmao landlocked

I chose that deliberately because I genuinely don't care about ships and navies and such beyond a few idiosyncrasies like late 19th century capital ship ramming bows. It's just not interesting for me.


you dont care about ships

but ships care about you

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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:01 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Gallia- wrote:lmao landlocked

Code word for useless irrelevant state.

I prefer the term regional power with no transregional aspirations.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby -Alemannia- » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:02 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Gallia- wrote:lmao landlocked

Code word for useless irrelevant state.


no need to be so tsundere :,(
Purpelia wrote:
-Alemannia- wrote:
Alemannia is landlocked and doesn't have any rip

So is Purpelia but I still do. Purpelian frogmen are part of the river navy forces and specialize on blowing up bridges, river ports and generally disrupting enemy river operations.


that's the army's job l m a o
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Postby Gallia- » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:04 pm

the tsundereness is super kyuuto tho :3

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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:04 pm

-Alemannia- wrote:that's the army's job l m a o

Purpelia has a strong river navy tradition so the army basically does NOTHING with water. Well next to nothing. They do handle pontoon bridges for their own use and such. But the river has its own parallel ground force with motorized troops and everything. And this force protects bridges, harbors and other such river stuff and handles "offensive river operations".

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Not really. Crazy girls don't really become cute until they cross into the yandere range.
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Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:29 pm

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Well, if your idea of where the shooting is coming from is "somewhere over that hill over there" and you're in a free-fire zone...

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The goal of putting a UB-32-5 on an MT-LBm turret was pretty much identical.
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Postby Federated Kingdom of Prussia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:14 pm

To what degree could WWII warships repair themselves at sea, as far as expected damage from regular usage goes(e.g. not combat related damage)? I seem to remember reading somewhere that a major shortcoming with Italian ships was that they did not really have the facilities for extensive maintinence, but that this wasn't a huge problem as Italian ships weren't expected to operate outside the Mediterranean.
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Postby Laritaia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:17 pm

Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:To what degree could WWII warships repair themselves at sea.

depends how badly they get pranged

shell splinter damage can be patched and plugged relatively easily, gaping torpedo craters, not so much.

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Postby Gallia- » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:40 pm

GCT AUF2 vs. XM2001

Go.

I'm thinking Frisia's next generation ground troops will use AMX Leclerc-130s (not 140, but some high powered 130mm gun instead), GCT AUF2s, and HIFVs based on OF-40 (think Temsah?) with robotic turrets. Air defense will be Otomatics or 30mm Matador turrets on OF-40 chassis. Other ground troops (reservists?) would have Dardo 60mms or something (AMX-10P?), Palmarias, and OF-40 Mark IIIs or C1 Arietes.

They will fight Galla's next generation ground troops who will be armed with Block III doom tanks, Super!Bradleys, and XM2001s. The IFV might be a HIFV "based on" the Block III ripoff though, with the engine moved around. M1 Grizzlies and Armored Breaching Vehicles would also be in "abundance", while second-line troops have M1A1s or M1A2s, M109s, and Big!Bradleys, backed by Wolverines, Grizzlies, and "Lynx" (is that a good name for "M1ABV"?) in the same way.

Galla doubles down on Abrams.
Frisia doubles down on OF-40.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:45 pm

Laritaia wrote:
Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:To what degree could WWII warships repair themselves at sea.

depends how badly they get pranged

shell splinter damage can be patched and plugged relatively easily, gaping torpedo craters, not so much.


He was obviously referring to maintenance and wear-related repairs.

The question is really why are you (Federated Kingdom of Prussia) asking this? If you're looking for some crazy autonomy where a ship doesn't go into port for 3 years it's not gonna happen, because the ship needs fuel, fresh water, food, and other supplies for the crew, and also the crew cannot be on a ship at sea indefinitely or they'll go insane.
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Postby Laritaia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:46 pm

AUF2 is probably harder to reload.

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Postby Laritaia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:50 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Laritaia wrote:depends how badly they get pranged

shell splinter damage can be patched and plugged relatively easily, gaping torpedo craters, not so much.


He was obviously referring to maintenance and wear-related repairs.

The question is really why are you (Federated Kingdom of Prussia) asking this? If you're looking for some crazy autonomy where a ship doesn't go into port for 3 years it's not gonna happen, because the ship needs fuel, fresh water, food, and other supplies for the crew, and also the crew cannot be on a ship at sea indefinitely or they'll go insane.


that's far more dependent on the XO's skill at midnight requisitions then the facilities onboard.

Practically every ship afloat has a basic machine shop that can fabricate and repair simple items. but the more critical the component the more the ability to repair while underway is going to depend on the XO's ability to con people out of spares.
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Postby Gallia- » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:50 pm

Laritaia wrote:AUF2 is probably harder to reload.


But it has a similar range and firing rate? Wikipedia says 10 RPM and 40 km range or sth silly, which appears similar to Crusader (at first blush). I'm fine if the support structure is more antiquated or if the gun needs to cool down for a long period 'cause it lacks active cooling, since Frisia is slowly collapsing into a continent spanning retirement home and can't afford ultra-modern hardware like Galla.

I just need something that is superficially comparable to XM2001 and fits on an OF-40, which GCT seems to be. The alternative is Pzh 2000 but I don't want to double down on Germany because I might use German equipment for Gallaverse's Anglophone country (Gallaverse has Anglophones?) to troll Mat or something.
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Postby Laritaia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:53 pm

what about SP70?

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Postby Gallia- » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:55 pm

What is the difference between SP70 and Palmaria, practically speaking?

Don't they both use FH70 as their core weapon?

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Postby Theodosiya » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:48 pm

30 vs 35 vs 40 as SPAAG and AAG?
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Postby Rhodesialund » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:56 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Laritaia wrote:depends how badly they get pranged

shell splinter damage can be patched and plugged relatively easily, gaping torpedo craters, not so much.


He was obviously referring to maintenance and wear-related repairs.

The question is really why are you (Federated Kingdom of Prussia) asking this? If you're looking for some crazy autonomy where a ship doesn't go into port for 3 years it's not gonna happen, because the ship needs fuel, fresh water, food, and other supplies for the crew, and also the crew cannot be on a ship at sea indefinitely or they'll go insane.


Floating Dry Docks were and still are a thing.


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Postby North Arkana » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:43 pm

Theodosiya wrote:30 vs 35 vs 40 as SPAAG and AAG?

Oerlikon GDF and related 35mm weapons have some very interesting choices in their ammo selections. Some very nasty APFSDS and AHEAD among them.
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:39 pm

I'd still rather have 40mm Bofors though.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Gallia- » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:40 pm

Theodosiya wrote:30 vs 35 vs 40 as SPAAG and AAG?


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Postby New Vaduz » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:21 pm

Hi,

So I wasn't sure which of the military threads to post this in, as it's a bit of a general inquiry. Are sources such as Jane's Defence Almanac and The Military Balance, Center for Strategic and International Studies, etc accurate when it comes to listing the types and quantities of military equipment in service?

I mean a lot of the information listed in this kind of literature, often with detailed overviews like this one?

Something that's always bugged me is how 1) a lot of this information either conflicts from info I have firsthand or seems rather out of date, for example listing countries as possessing weapons systems which were retired 20+ years ago and 2) regurgitating old information rather than offering any new information, per 1.

How is this apparently open-source information compiled about military statistics, how accurate is it, and how frequently is it updated? It seems to me that countries will deliberately restrict the amount of information available about the amount of weaponry they possess, so the best case scenario is a guesstimate by the people who write for Jane's and the like, but I cannot be certain.
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:28 am

It's random history time, with Purpelia. First, an explanation:

Purpelia is a worldbuilding project of mine and mine alone. I have no real region, no friends and no cowriters. Therefore I can pretty much design history any way I see fit. In light of that fact, this is the early modern history of Purpelia in a WIP state.

Bellum Purpelii
The rise and fall of Purpelia

Chapter 1: The beginnings

Although the concept of a Purpelia, unified against foreign barbarians, had existed since ancient times for the largest part of human history it had remained but a footnote. Regional warlords would at times unite against foreign aggressors but by their very nature these alliances were fleeting and of a situational nature. The first great alliance to become more or less permanent was 1st Purpelian Confederacy. Singed during the height of the Renaissance this document postulated a defensive and mercantile alliance between the Purpelian duchies who swore to defend each other in times of foreign invasion, impose lesser tariffs on one another goods and crucially not to assail one another in war without a just cause.

By the beginning of the 18th century the confederacy had grown ever tighter. Still a group of completely independent nations the seven duchies had, newer the less, given up certain rights. In particular, by this point in time, they had agreed to abolish all taxes and tariffs on each others trade aside from those which they would also levee on their own as well as the right to war against one another under any cause. Another change was in the role and election of the Archduke.

Originally a military leader the Archduke had been a position elected by need. The role only existed during times of war and only as a way to unify the seven armies under a single command. Therefore, politics and successes meant that, more often than not, the role would change hands quite frequently. This system, having proved of questionable efficacy, had by the 18th century been reformed.
The position of Archduke had become a permanent one, existing during times of peace as well as war. And election to it had become for life. The role of the Archduke changed as well. The closer economic and military ties between the duchies required that the Council of Seven, previously a council of war also only meeting at need become a permanent institution. And the Archduke, elected among them, took on the role of first among equals. A position maintained to this day.

Comment, rate, stay tuned for Chapter 2. The Purpelian Wars.
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