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Postby New haven america » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
New haven america wrote:And we lost, badly, like, out original White House got burned to the ground...


History disagrees that we lost.

Also daily reminder that we burned down some shit in Canada too

The original White House disagrees.

And they burned more stuff over here.
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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:01 pm

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Minzerland II wrote:What fascist violence is Antifa currently fighting, Liriena?

I did just post a series of articles relating to a rise in hate crimes since last year. I might be wrong, but I'd wager that that's what antifa is a reaction to. That, and the rise to power and/or prominence of white nationalists like Steve Bannon, Richard Spencer, etc.

Hate crime =/= fascist violence

Do try to answer again.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:02 pm

New haven america wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
History disagrees that we lost.

Also daily reminder that we burned down some shit in Canada too

The original White House disagrees.

And they burned more stuff over here.


Do the words "military stalemate" and "status quo ante bellum" mean anything?

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ah yes, the crazy Bernie supporting Viking.

Not the best example ever but I'll take it.

Someone doesn't have to be 100% ideologically consistent to be a fascist. Specially with stuff like...
If Donald Trump is the Next Hitler then I am joining his SS to put an end to Monotheist Question. All Zionist Jews, All Christians who do not follow Christ's teaching of Love, Charity, and Forgiveness And All Jihadi Muslims are going to Madagascar or the Ovens/FEMA Camps!!! Does this make me a fascist!!!"


Man this dudes ramblings were just nuts, lol.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:05 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Liriena wrote:I did just post a series of articles relating to a rise in hate crimes since last year. I might be wrong, but I'd wager that that's what antifa is a reaction to. That, and the rise to power and/or prominence of white nationalists like Steve Bannon, Richard Spencer, etc.

Hate crime =/= fascist violence

Do try to answer again.

Well then, I concede. Not necessarily fascist violence, just far right hate crimes that could have just as easily been committed by Christian fundamentalists or some other flavour of American far right scum.

I feel I must ask, though... was it my potential inaccuracy that concerned you, or the possibility of fascism being tied to violence?
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Postby Sareva » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:06 pm

New haven america wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
You mean that little invasion?

wew lad.

It was actually an invasion to take over what would become Canada.

And we lost, badly, like, our original White House got burned to the ground...

We're doomed to never having anyone understand what "stalemate" means at this point.
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Sareva wrote:They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

Zanera wrote:Asteroids are terrorists. They support a Anarchist Rock agenda, and will attack any large rock bodies such as planets in order to scare the rest of the solar system, and will sometimes just threaten planets by going close to them as a sign saying," Anarchism rulez."

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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:09 pm

Liriena wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Hate crime =/= fascist violence

Do try to answer again.

Well then, I concede. Not necessarily fascist violence, just far right hate crimes that could have just as easily been committed by Christian fundamentalists or some other flavour of American far right scum.

I feel I must ask, though... was it my potential inaccuracy that concerned you, or the possibility of fascism being tied to violence?

What concerns me? What concerns me is people excusing thuggish behaviours and political violence from Antifa, especially when Antifa considers anyone who disagrees with them fascists.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:10 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Liriena wrote:Well then, I concede. Not necessarily fascist violence, just far right hate crimes that could have just as easily been committed by Christian fundamentalists or some other flavour of American far right scum.

I feel I must ask, though... was it my potential inaccuracy that concerned you, or the possibility of fascism being tied to violence?

What concerns me? What concerns me is people excusing thuggish behaviours and political violence from Antifa.

Just antifa?
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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:13 pm

Liriena wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:What concerns me? What concerns me is people excusing thuggish behaviours and political violence from Antifa.

Just antifa?

No, mate. I'm not particularly fond of any political violence or thuggish behaviour, but Antifa seems to be rather good at it.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:16 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Liriena wrote:Just antifa?

No, mate. I'm not particularly fond of any political violence.

That's alright. I'm squeamish about it myself... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the thing about political violence is that human civilization is kinda built on it, and we who live in the West owe an awful lot of the stuff we take for granted to political violence... and the violence itself, while you might argue that violence is unjustified as a matter of principle, while not excusable, can be understandable... so...
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Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:17 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Liriena wrote:Just antifa?

No, mate. I'm not particularly fond of any political violence or thuggish behaviour, but Antifa seems to be rather good at it.

This might be nitpicky but is killing terrorists technically 'political violence'?
I'm not personally against the use of violence if the situation is dire enough.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:18 pm

Liriena wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:No, mate. I'm not particularly fond of any political violence.

That's alright. I'm squeamish about it myself... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the thing about political violence is that human civilization is kinda built on it, and we who live in the West owe an awful lot of the stuff we take for granted to political violence... and the violence itself, while you might argue that violence is unjustified as a matter of principle, while not excusable, can be understandable... so...


But antifas, which is all just "violence and destruction for the fun of it" cannot.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:19 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Liriena wrote:That's alright. I'm squeamish about it myself... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the thing about political violence is that human civilization is kinda built on it, and we who live in the West owe an awful lot of the stuff we take for granted to political violence... and the violence itself, while you might argue that violence is unjustified as a matter of principle, while not excusable, can be understandable... so...


But antifas, which is all just "violence and destruction for the fun of it" cannot.

Have you ever even listened to antifa people or read from their outlets? Some might do it for fun, but I'm pretty sure that's not why the majority do it.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:20 pm

Liriena wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:No, mate. I'm not particularly fond of any political violence.

That's alright. I'm squeamish about it myself... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the thing about political violence is that human civilization is kinda built on it, and we who live in the West owe an awful lot of the stuff we take for granted to political violence... and the violence itself, while you might argue that violence is unjustified as a matter of principle, while not excusable, can be understandable... so...


Modern, stable democracies should not tolerate any form of political violence. Whether it be from far right or far left scumbags.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:24 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
But antifas, which is all just "violence and destruction for the fun of it" cannot.

Have you ever even listened to antifa people or read from their outlets? Some might do it for fun, but I'm pretty sure that's not why the majority do it.

Have you actually seen an actual antifa protest ? Tossing bombs at animals, smashing random peoples cars and pissing on holocaust memorial statues does not send a "stop all nazis" message.
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Postby Keldros » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:26 pm

Politically motivated violence? Start nothing. Finish everything.

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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:27 pm

Liriena wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:No, mate. I'm not particularly fond of any political violence.

That's alright. I'm squeamish about it myself... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the thing about political violence is that human civilization is kinda built on it, and we who live in the West owe an awful lot of the stuff we take for granted to political violence... and the violence itself, while you might argue that violence is unjustified as a matter of principle, while not excusable, can be understandable... so...

Violence isn't necessarily unjustified, but the brand of political violence Antifa participates in does nothing but tear countries apart, like it has before.
Genivaria wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:No, mate. I'm not particularly fond of any political violence or thuggish behaviour, but Antifa seems to be rather good at it.

This might be nitpicky but is killing terrorists technically 'political violence'?
I'm not personally against the use of violence if the situation is dire enough.

Of course, but this brand of political violence is justified in that we're defending our nations, our citizens from an actual threat. Antifas brand of political violence, on the other hand, is unjustified, in my eyes.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:29 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:That's alright. I'm squeamish about it myself... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the thing about political violence is that human civilization is kinda built on it, and we who live in the West owe an awful lot of the stuff we take for granted to political violence... and the violence itself, while you might argue that violence is unjustified as a matter of principle, while not excusable, can be understandable... so...


Modern, stable democracies should not tolerate any form of political violence. Whether it be from far right or far left scumbags.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^A thousand times this.

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Postby Sareva » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:33 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Modern, stable democracies should not tolerate any form of political violence. Whether it be from far right or far left scumbags.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^A thousand times this.

It's what we're supposed to be doing but some people don't want to get with the program for some reason.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sareva wrote:They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

Zanera wrote:Asteroids are terrorists. They support a Anarchist Rock agenda, and will attack any large rock bodies such as planets in order to scare the rest of the solar system, and will sometimes just threaten planets by going close to them as a sign saying," Anarchism rulez."

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Postby Uiiop » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:38 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Liriena wrote:Have you ever even listened to antifa people or read from their outlets? Some might do it for fun, but I'm pretty sure that's not why the majority do it.

Have you actually seen an actual antifa protest ? Tossing bombs at animals, smashing random peoples cars and pissing on holocaust memorial statues does not send a "stop all nazis" message.

There was one in which they grouped up with pro-trump people IIRC.
https://vimeo.com/216810119
I know biased but even other sources show something more toned down than your hyperbole.
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Postby Sareva » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:50 pm

Uiiop wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Have you actually seen an actual antifa protest ? Tossing bombs at animals, smashing random peoples cars and pissing on holocaust memorial statues does not send a "stop all nazis" message.

There was one in which they grouped up with pro-trump people IIRC.
https://vimeo.com/216810119
I know biased but even others sources show something more toned down than your hyperbole.

This warms my heart.

Also fuck the guy screaming the N word, it is already stuck in my head, I don't need it ingrained.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sareva wrote:They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

Zanera wrote:Asteroids are terrorists. They support a Anarchist Rock agenda, and will attack any large rock bodies such as planets in order to scare the rest of the solar system, and will sometimes just threaten planets by going close to them as a sign saying," Anarchism rulez."

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:56 pm

Uiiop wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Have you actually seen an actual antifa protest ? Tossing bombs at animals, smashing random peoples cars and pissing on holocaust memorial statues does not send a "stop all nazis" message.

There was one in which they grouped up with pro-trump people IIRC.
https://vimeo.com/216810119
I know biased but even other sources show something more toned down than your hyperbole.

That's....actually refreshing to see nowadays.
And the 'Don't Tread on Me' flag being waved by fascists, the irony is painful.
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Postby Zanera » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:14 pm



The piece of news right above that article and the news below it is some shitty-ass shit, too.
IDK if this is official stuff, but the writer was dejectedly like "Um...at least you can trophy bear hunt in some states now..." in the comments.
Fucking depressing.
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Postby Ism » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:16 pm



I saw that and for a few brief seconds I was happy that the grizzlies had made such a grand recovery. Then I saw the end of your post. So disappointing.

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