MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Forsher]

Yes, he already appeared at Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D

In my opinion that's not part of the M Cinematic Universe.

*imagines a Ghost Rider controlled Iron Man armour*

If you put Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 in the MCU, you have to include AoS. Heck, if you read into Vision's dialogue in Civil War enough, it's actually easier to argue that AoS is the more influential!

[HC Eredivisie]

Err, why? I haven't seen anything of AoS so I don't know what's happening there. And, GotG-2 is part of the MCU, as it's cinematic and part of the Avengers/Infinity storylines.

[Cannot think of a name]

As they have shown pictures with Spider-man, Iron Man and Starlord together on set, I bet a trip to another world where a certain black suit is picked up, probably will be included in Infinity War.

To the poll question : only discuss movies with a Stan Lee cameo.

Hopefully.

Ghost Rider had some rad moments.
Just the villain looked like this instead of this.

Do you think MCU will reboot Ghost Rider?

Last I heard the next wave of Netflix Marvel is going to be Blade, Moon Knight, and Ghost Rider.

[Forsher]

Err, why? I haven't seen anything of AoS so I don't know what's happening there. And, GotG-2 is part of the MCU, as it's cinematic and part of the Avengers/Infinity storylines.

It creates a great big blob thing Peter's original home. This is the sort of thing that should affect other movies.

AoS, in particular series one where Sitwell showed up for example, has at least been seen to interact with the main body of the movies and even lately its plot lines have, if you read a lot into Vision's remarks, continued to line up rather than creating plot holes/continuity snarls/whichever way you want to read it.

The level of "connectedness" displayed in GotG is less than that seen in AoS, so to accept GotG you must accept AoS, and to reject AoS you must reject GotG (which is almost on Netflix levels of "main movies, what are those?").

Being movies is arbitrary by proclamation. Being part of future plotlines is dumb. May as well suggest Thanos will turn out to have been secretly Coulson's puppet and the reason he hasn't really done anything lately is because Coulson's been too busy to send him updates.

Last I heard the next wave of Netflix Marvel is going to be Blade, Moon Knight, and Ghost Rider.

Unlikely: Ghost Rider was a main character in AoS 4.

However, Moon Knight would be cool. Just... don't kill Echo/Ronin this time, please? Also, include Echo/Ronin because she was cool.Series Two, maybe.

[HC Eredivisie]

Err, why? I haven't seen anything of AoS so I don't know what's happening there. And, GotG-2 is part of the MCU, as it's cinematic and part of the Avengers/Infinity storylines.

It creates a great big blob thing Peter's original home. This is the sort of thing that should affect other movies.

And it most likely will affect other movies, but we haven't seen that yet because GotG 2 is the last MCU movie released. Though I doubt we'll see mch of it in Spider-man, as I think that will be a NY-centred movie though an offhand remark might be in it. I imagine Infinity War will have something like this:

Iron Man: You were responsible for that blue blob killing dozens of people?
Star-Lord: Er...well, mostly my dad ... and I stopped him from taking over the galaxy so that evens it out, right?
Spider-man: Hey guys, look at this black goo* I found!

AoS, in particular series one where Sitwell showed up for example, has at least been seen to interact with the main body of the movies and even lately its plot lines have, if you read a lot into Vision's remarks, continued to line up rather than creating plot holes/continuity snarls/whichever way you want to read it.

What remarks of Vision exactly, as I don't remember thinking I missed something watching the movies.
Also, does AoS follow plotlines from the movies or is there any AoS that made it into the movies (and not something from the movies, mentioned in AoS and then again in subsequent movies)?

The level of "connectedness" displayed in GotG is less than that seen in AoS

That's mostly due to the fact that GotG takes place in space and AoS on Earth. As Infinity War combines the Guardians and Avengers I'd say the are more 'connected'.

Being movies is arbitrary by proclamation. Being part of future plotlines is dumb. May as well suggest Thanos will turn out to have been secretly Coulson's puppet and the reason he hasn't really done anything lately is because Coulson's been too busy to send him updates.

As it's the cinematic universe I think only the movies are canon and the the TV shows are just an expansion, which might be true. Future movies will be canon as the overall story continues (yes, GotG 2 did not contribute much, but neither did Iron Man 3) and I don't think you can just accept some films and leave others out.

And Thanos not doing anything as Coulsons' puppet makes sense as Coulson is dead.

^{* plot twist: It's the black goo from Prometheus and Infinity War will see a full blown Xenomorph infestation of Earth.}

[Forsher]

It creates a great big blob thing Peter's original home. This is the sort of thing that should affect other movies.

And it most likely will affect other movies, but we haven't seen that yet because GotG 2 is the last MCU movie released. Though I doubt we'll see mch of it in Spider-man, as I think that will be a NY-centred movie though an offhand remark might be in it. I imagine Infinity War will have something like this:

Iron Man: You were responsible for that blue blob killing dozens of people?
Star-Lord: Er...well, mostly my dad ... and I stopped him from taking over the galaxy so that evens it out, right?
Spider-man: Hey guys, look at this black goo* I found!

Which will be retcons to shoehorn it in. GotG2 is set in 2014... well, two months after GotG 1.

AoS, in particular series one where Sitwell showed up for example, has at least been seen to interact with the main body of the movies and even lately its plot lines have, if you read a lot into Vision's remarks, continued to line up rather than creating plot holes/continuity snarls/whichever way you want to read it.

What remarks of Vision exactly, as I don't remember thinking I missed something watching the movies.
Also, does AoS follow plotlines from the movies or is there any AoS that made it into the movies (and not something from the movies, mentioned in AoS and then again in subsequent movies)?

Yes. And Vision refers to something like exponential increase.

The level of "connectedness" displayed in GotG is less than that seen in AoS

That's mostly due to the fact that GotG takes place in space and AoS on Earth. As Infinity War combines the Guardians and Avengers I'd say the are more 'connected'.

Again, we might as well say Thanos is Coulson's lapdog.

More concerningly, GotG should have had some reference to the events of The Avengers being as they also involved Thanos.

Being movies is arbitrary by proclamation. Being part of future plotlines is dumb. May as well suggest Thanos will turn out to have been secretly Coulson's puppet and the reason he hasn't really done anything lately is because Coulson's been too busy to send him updates.

As it's the cinematic universe I think only the movies are canon and the the TV shows are just an expansion, which might be true. Future movies will be canon as the overall story continues (yes, GotG 2 did not contribute much, but neither did Iron Man 3) and I don't think you can just accept some films and leave others out.

And Thanos not doing anything as Coulsons' puppet makes sense as Coulson is dead.

^{* plot twist: It's the black goo from Prometheus and Infinity War will see a full blown Xenomorph infestation of Earth.}

It's arbitrary to exclude Shield. It is non arbitrary to exclude GotG. The only character you can use to include GotG is that it is a film, which is practically a tautology... it's in the MCU because it's a movie, because it is a movie what happens is canonical.

Iron Man 3's ongoing plot contributions manifest in the role of Extremis in Shield Series 1 but the film, aside from being an Iron Man film, clearly connects to the prior films in the sense that the panic attacks which clearly relate to the events of The Avengers are, perhaps, the key plot point (and insofar as they're a key part of Tony's ongoing character evolution... subsequent films don't make sense without IM3).

At a certain point, you just have to realise that you're asking us to believe in logic which, apparently, excludes GotG, GotG 2, IM3 and AoS from being canonical, a tautology or that AoS is canonical.

The only kind of continuity that GotG has that Shield lacks is its being a movie... which is a ridiculous basis for its being included as non-expansion and AoS as expansion.

Now... if you want to exclude the Neftlix shows... it is a very simple matter: argue the Judas Bullet in Shield is not a Judas Bullet (helpfully they don't name it as such) and voila... all non-Netflix connections are eliminated.

[Mexican Aztlan]

I have a question for Marvel fans. I was thinking that it would be cool if there was a female version of the Winter Soldier. I know that HYDRA created more than one Winter Soldier, so it would be interesting if one of them were female. Maybe she can fight a redeemed Bucky Barnes in Infinity War. What do you all think of that?

[Forsher]

I have a question for Marvel fans. I was thinking that it would be cool if there was a female version of the Winter Soldier. I know that HYDRA created more than one Winter Soldier, so it would be interesting if one of them were female. Maybe she can fight a redeemed Bucky Barnes in Infinity War. What do you all think of that?

Don't read if you haven't seen Civil War.

They did. Zemo killed her... along with the others.

[Mexican Aztlan]

I have a question for Marvel fans. I was thinking that it would be cool if there was a female version of the Winter Soldier. I know that HYDRA created more than one Winter Soldier, so it would be interesting if one of them were female. Maybe she can fight a redeemed Bucky Barnes in Infinity War. What do you all think of that?

Don't read if you haven't seen Civil War.

They did. Zemo killed her... along with the others.

I forgot about that part. I was just looking for an excuse to get Anna Kendrick into the MCU. I think she would make a great female Winter Soldier.

[Ascoobis]

Don't read if you haven't seen Civil War.

They did. Zemo killed her... along with the others.

I forgot about that part. I was just looking for an excuse to get Anna Kendrick into the MCU. I think she would make a great female Winter Soldier.

...Or just be her own separate character unrelated to the Winter Soldier?

What I would like to see are more mercenaries that are capable of taking on the heroes, like the former Crossbones. They're an aspect that wasn't totally explored.

Why were they trying to steal that biological agent? Who were they working for? Zemo? An unknown player?

[Mexican Aztlan]

I forgot about that part. I was just looking for an excuse to get Anna Kendrick into the MCU. I think she would make a great female Winter Soldier.

...Or just be her own separate character unrelated to the Winter Soldier?

I heard that she wanted to play Squirrel Girl. Maybe they can bring Squirrel Girl into the MCU. She also almost got the role of Sharon Carter. That role eventually went to Emily VanCamp.

[HC Eredivisie]

And it most likely will affect other movies, but we haven't seen that yet because GotG 2 is the last MCU movie released. Though I doubt we'll see mch of it in Spider-man, as I think that will be a NY-centred movie though an offhand remark might be in it. I imagine Infinity War will have something like this:

Iron Man: You were responsible for that blue blob killing dozens of people?
Star-Lord: Er...well, mostly my dad ... and I stopped him from taking over the galaxy so that evens it out, right?
Spider-man: Hey guys, look at this black goo* I found!

Which will be retcons to shoehorn it in. GotG2 is set in 2014... well, two months after GotG 1.

That's true, I thought it was set around now for some reason.

Yes. And Vision refers to something like exponential increase.

I don't really get what you mean with increase.
I do remember a sudden mention of ''enhanced humans'' in the beginning of AoU, if that was in reference to enhanced humans in AoS then have to say it's canon.

More concerningly, GotG should have had some reference to the events of The Avengers being as they also involved Thanos.

The Guardians don't really care for Earth at this point and Thanos is not someone to flat out tell his plans to anyone. For me Thanos was enough of a reference, shwoing that the is behind all this without the good guys knowing anything about either that or each other.

It's arbitrary to exclude Shield. It is non arbitrary to exclude GotG. The only character you can use to include GotG is that it is a film, which is practically a tautology... it's in the MCU because it's a movie, because it is a movie what happens is canonical.

Yes, all part of the greater story so all are canon. I see AoS as an expansion to that, it can be true unless contradicted in a movie.

connects to the prior films in the sense that the panic attacks which clearly relate to the events of The Avengers are, perhaps, the key plot point (and insofar as they're a key part of Tony's ongoing character evolution... subsequent films don't make sense without IM3).

Point taken, though that development could be expected and AoU showed enough of it.

At a certain point, you just have to realise that you're asking us to believe in logic which, apparently, excludes GotG, GotG 2, IM3 and AoS from being canonical, a tautology or that AoS is canonical.

I exclude AoS and then only when the movies and series contradict.

Now... if you want to exclude the Neftlix shows... it is a very simple matter: argue the Judas Bullet in Shield is not a Judas Bullet (helpfully they don't name it as such) and voila... all non-Netflix connections are eliminated.

Just make them a part of the Marvel TV Universe, the movies aren't supreme canon there.

Don't read if you haven't seen Civil War.

They did. Zemo killed her... along with the others.

I forgot about that part. I was just looking for an excuse to get Anna Kendrick into the MCU. I think she would make a great female Winter Soldier.

I can't handle both Anna Kendrick and Elisabeth Olson ón screen at the same time.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

I forgot about that part. I was just looking for an excuse to get Anna Kendrick into the MCU. I think she would make a great female Winter Soldier.

...Or just be her own separate character unrelated to the Winter Soldier?

What I would like to see are more mercenaries that are capable of taking on the heroes, like the former Crossbones. They're an aspect that wasn't totally explored.

Why were they trying to steal that biological agent? Who were they working for? Zemo? An unknown player?

Actually there's a deleted scene to explained that. I know this particular scene because there is an Indonesian (my RL nation) played as the character here. Apparently, there was about to be a scene that Crossbones was about to sell that biological agent to the black market, and the Indonesian actor played as The Auctioneer in the black market.

Other than that, I think it is more of a side-story. It was deleted because it was considered to be too much for the pacing of the movie, sadly. Which sort of understandable.

And...I can only find links to Indonesian news source, the legitimate ones. I cannot find English-speaking sources. Not like it's the biggest news in USA, but it's a very big news in Indonesia.

[HC Eredivisie]

We're still doing this or not?

Yes.

Also, Fox just announced release dates for New Mutants, Deadpool 2, and officially titled X-Men : Dark Phoenix.

Interesting, but none of that is MCU is it?

Guess it will be soon enough: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42353545

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

We're still doing this or not?

Interesting, but none of that is MCU is it?

Guess it will be soon enough: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42353545

Well, they plan to integrate R-rated Fox movies, so it's all good. But no more Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

Or Ian McKellen's Magneto.

Or even Patrick Stewart's Professor X.

[Saint Ryvern]

Well, they plan to integrate R-rated Fox movies, so it's all good. But no more Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

Or Ian McKellen's Magneto.

Or even Patrick Stewart's Professor X.

We may see Hugh Jackman again, actually. He said in an interview in February that he said he might play the character again if he had the opportunity to be a part of the Avengers. At the time it seemed like a fantasy, but now it could happen. Here's the article proving that I'm not just rambling.

[HC Eredivisie]

We're still doing this or not?

Guess it will be soon enough: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42353545

Well, they plan to integrate R-rated Fox movies, so it's all good. But no more Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

Or Ian McKellen's Magneto.

Or even Patrick Stewart's Professor X.

Though I do like James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender as Prof X and Magneto, so that's not too bad.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Well, they plan to integrate R-rated Fox movies, so it's all good. But no more Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

Or Ian McKellen's Magneto.

Or even Patrick Stewart's Professor X.

Though I do like James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender as Prof X and Magneto, so that's not too bad.

Yeah, maybe we can visit the past or different dimensions where Ian and Patrick's are the Magneto and Xavier. Considering how powerful Xavier is on exploring different timeline...

[HC Eredivisie]

Or use the Infinty Gauntlet to open a portal to a parallel dimension.

On Asgard: It's dangerous keeping two Infinity Stones in such close proximity
Meanwhile on Earth: UNGUARDED SPACE, TIME AND SOUL STONES WOOOOHOOOOoo1!!!!!1!1

though technically the Space stone was swapped for the Mind stone at that moment

[Rlyeh Home of Cthulhu]

Still trying to figure out where the Soul Stone could be located.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Still trying to figure out where the Soul Stone could be located.

Black Panther's Wakanda?

[The Wastelands of Australia]

Anyone have a Top 5 list of the best films in the MCU. Mine is as follows

1. Iron Man
2. The Avengers
3. Guardians of the Galaxy
4. Spider-Man Homecomng
5. Captain America: The Winter Soldier

[HC Eredivisie]

Still trying to figure out where the Soul Stone could be located.

Black Panther's Wakanda?

Inside a vibranium asteroid for safe keeping?

[HC Eredivisie]

And in two days we will know whether:

- the Soul Stone is located in Wakanda or in Adam Warlock
- Cap will die
- Iron Man will die
- what Hawkeye is doing
- Earth will survive (yes, judging by the Ant-Man & the Wasp trailer )

[Cannot think of a name]

And in two days we will know whether:

- the Soul Stone is located in Wakanda or in Adam Warlock
- Cap will die
- Iron Man will die
- what Hawkeye is doing
- Earth will survive (yes, judging by the Ant-Man & the Wasp trailer )

Ant Man & Wasp could be set before IW.