Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism

[Roavin]

The answer is I don't know German

Oh really? I would have never thought.
-- every german-speaking NSer ever

See, there's a bunch of german speakers in NS, and KAISERREICH is not a small region, with 232 nations and 30 endorsements on its WA Delegate right now. That population count has been well north of 500, even. And yet, you still can't get anybody to work on that horrible Google Translate german you're using in various dispatches and such. The one german speaker you had (Kurnugia/Blutmark) reeled away in terror after a relatively short amount of time.

Maybe, just maybe, there's a very good reason for the lack of actual german speakers in your german-themed region.

[Pergamon]

Wir sind halt eben mit den Nazisachen vorbelastet und können dem Charme des Dritten Reiches garnichts abgewinnen. Falls es überhaupt sowas wie Charme besaß. Wer mit Naziästhetik daherkommt braucht sich nicht wundern, dass er keine waschechten Deutschen in seine Region kriegt!! Komischerweise sind voll viele Amerikaner richtige Fanboys.

___

Translation for all english ones in here:

We are just biased with the Nazi stuff and the charm of the third reich is not appealing to us. If it even possessed something like charm. If someone comes in with a whole lot of Nazi aesthetics doesn't need to wonder that he doesn't get real germans into his region!! Strangely enough a whole lot of american people are total fanboys.

[RiderSyl]

Strangely enough a whole lot of american people are total fanboys.

That must be strange for a German native, that most Nazi enthusiasts live in the land of the free.

[Roavin]

Strangely enough a whole lot of american people are total fanboys.

That must be strange for a German native, that most Nazi enthusiasts live in the land of the free.

(at risk of veering into dreadful NSG-territory) - the US is the country that spawned Prussian Blue.

[Cresenthia]

The answer is I don't know German

Oh really? I would have never thought.
-- every german-speaking NSer ever

See, there's a bunch of german speakers in NS, and KAISERREICH is not a small region, with 232 nations and 30 endorsements on its WA Delegate right now. That population count has been well north of 500, even. And yet, you still can't get anybody to work on that horrible Google Translate german you're using in various dispatches and such. The one german speaker you had (Kurnugia/Blutmark) reeled away in terror after a relatively short amount of time.

Maybe, just maybe, there's a very good reason for the lack of actual german speakers in your german-themed region.

No, there are actual German speakers in the region. I am just not one of them. And Kurnugia/Blutmark started a little rebellion that had absolutely nothing to do with Nazism or fascism (just your usual two-bit power demand). And now you are using him as the tool of CAIN. That is nothing short of disgraceful.

We are just biased with the Nazi stuff and the charm of the third reich is not appealing to us. If it even possessed something like charm. If someone comes in with a whole lot of Nazi aesthetics doesn't need to wonder that he doesn't get real germans into his region!! Strangely enough a whole lot of american people are total fanboys.

He wasn't actually German by the way. And there are plenty of non-Americans in the region, and no "fanboying" going on to glorify Nazism.

[Kurnugia]

No, there are actual German speakers in the region.

No there aren't. There were maybe some guys who took german classes but ehhhh... I mean just take a look at Reich Minister. -_- You sure as hell love to create alternative facts. There isn't one native german speaker.

I am just not one of them. And Kurnugia/Blutmark started a little rebellion that had absolutely nothing to do with Nazism or fascism (just your usual two-bit power demand). And now you are using him as the tool of CAIN. That is nothing short of disgraceful.

Nah it only happens that you use nazi imagery. In that case: get a grip. Until then: Enjoy your rightful categorisation. Also I was only the herald of the rebellion. Not a key operative.

He wasn't actually German by the way. And there are plenty of non-Americans in the region, and no "fanboying" going on to glorify Nazism.

Nobody said I was german. Also get some lessons what the far-right is using for imagery. Then you might understand why many are looking very sceptical at KReich.

[Cresenthia]

No, there are actual German speakers in the region.

No there aren't. There were maybe some guys who took german classes but ehhhh... I mean just take a look at Reich Minister. -_- You sure as hell love to create alternative facts. There isn't one native german speaker.

I never said anyone was a native German speaker. I just said that there were German speakers. And with regards to alternative facts, CAIN's categorization of Kaiserreich as a Nazi region is just as much of an alternative fact, given the lack of actual, relevant evidence.

I am just not one of them. And Kurnugia/Blutmark started a little rebellion that had absolutely nothing to do with Nazism or fascism (just your usual two-bit power demand). And now you are using him as the tool of CAIN. That is nothing short of disgraceful.

Nah it only happens that you use nazi imagery. In that case: get a grip. Until then: Enjoy your rightful categorisation. Also I was only the herald of the rebellion. Not a key operative.

Your post seemed to indicate that you started the whole thing, even if Eskvor was in charge of the rebel region.

He wasn't actually German by the way. And there are plenty of non-Americans in the region, and no "fanboying" going on to glorify Nazism.

Nobody said I was german. Also get some lessons what the far-right is using for imagery. Then you might understand why many are looking very sceptical at KReich.

With one exception, there seems to be nothing severely objectionable with any of the propaganda posters. (Unless you see something wrong with condemning communism, in which case you're out of luck.) The one poster in question will be altered as soon as possible.

[Kurnugia]

No there aren't. There were maybe some guys who took german classes but ehhhh... I mean just take a look at Reich Minister. -_- You sure as hell love to create alternative facts. There isn't one native german speaker.

I never said anyone was a native German speaker. I just said that there were German speakers. And with regards to alternative facts, CAIN's categorization of Kaiserreich as a Nazi region is just as much of an alternative fact, given the lack of actual, relevant evidence.

Nah it only happens that you use nazi imagery. In that case: get a grip. Until then: Enjoy your rightful categorisation. Also I was only the herald of the rebellion. Not a key operative.

Your post seemed to indicate that you started the whole thing, even if Eskvor was in charge of the rebel region.

Nobody said I was german. Also get some lessons what the far-right is using for imagery. Then you might understand why many are looking very sceptical at KReich.

With one exception, there seems to be nothing severely objectionable with any of the propaganda posters. (Unless you see something wrong with condemning communism, in which case you're out of luck.) The one poster in question will be altered as soon as possible.

Well then, it seems you don't have anything against reusing nazi-propaganda. Also your standart of when someone is a speaker of a language is pretty low. I have yet to see someone in KReich doing a longer and complicated german text in KReich. Let alone having a german cultural background. (Allemanic is german fyi).

[Freien]

I am sure that someone has already brought this up, but this is just a roleplay game.

Nazism shouldn't be tolerated, even in a game. If I want to have the ability to call myself "human", I am obligated to fight against this decay of thought.

Yes, there are a couple of neo-Nazis out there, but practically every nation on Earth has outright condemned Nazism, including Germany, its origin place.

Last time I checked, Nazism had been on the rise. History repeats itself, and that only happens happens because we haven't learned anything from it.

Furthermore, why isn't there a Coalition Against the Ideology of Communism? While Nazism has been disgraced as an ideology, communism is still relatively alive and well. For example, the American Communist Party has over 500 members, while the National Socialist Movement only has about 400 members. And communism has killed way more people than Nazism - while Nazism has killed around 20 million people(Mainly from the USSR and Holocaust), communism is estimated to have killed nearly 100 million people. So why the unfair standards, attacking "Nazi" regions while leaving Communist ones alone?

If we are going to talk about the victims of the so-called "communist states" (the term "communist state" is contradictory to itself), we might as well discuss about the victims of the capitalist states. How many wars has the US started all these years and for what reasons? And what about the deaths that capitalism directly caused? What about the number of workers that died at the time or because of, working in unacceptable conditions? What about poverty, slavery, oppression, imperialism, etc.? Shouldn't we doubt about capitalism, too? No?
Also, even if I accept the propagandist numbers of deaths caused by socialist regimes, the reason of these deaths has nothing to do with the socialist ideology, but you can find many links between the victims of Nazism and the core of its ideology (antisemitism, eugenics, etc.)

You are only technically correct, as you said, "communist societies do not require the subjugation of an entire religion." Last time I checked, they are rather well known for subjugating all religions.

You call it "subjugating religions", I call it freeing people from the subjugation of religion.
And if I may link this with the above conversation: I wonder how many are the victims of religion...

[Cresenthia]

I am sure that someone has already brought this up, but this is just a roleplay game.

Nazism shouldn't be tolerated, even in a game. If I want to have the ability to call myself "human", I am obligated to fight against this decay of thought.

Yes, there are a couple of neo-Nazis out there, but practically every nation on Earth has outright condemned Nazism, including Germany, its origin place.

Last time I checked, Nazism had been on the rise. History repeats itself, and that only happens happens because we haven't learned anything from it.

Furthermore, why isn't there a Coalition Against the Ideology of Communism? While Nazism has been disgraced as an ideology, communism is still relatively alive and well. For example, the American Communist Party has over 500 members, while the National Socialist Movement only has about 400 members. And communism has killed way more people than Nazism - while Nazism has killed around 20 million people(Mainly from the USSR and Holocaust), communism is estimated to have killed nearly 100 million people. So why the unfair standards, attacking "Nazi" regions while leaving Communist ones alone?

If we are going to talk about the victims of the so-called "communist states" (the term "communist state" is contradictory to itself), we might as well discuss about the victims of the capitalist states. How many wars has the US started all these years and for what reasons? And what about the deaths that capitalism directly caused? What about the number of workers that died at the time or because of, working in unacceptable conditions? What about poverty, slavery, oppression, imperialism, etc.? Shouldn't we doubt about capitalism, too? No?
Also, even if I accept the propagandist numbers of deaths caused by socialist regimes, the reason of these deaths has nothing to do with the socialist ideology, but you can find many links between the victims of Nazism and the core of its ideology (antisemitism, eugenics, etc.)

No one here is saying that Nazism is a good thing. The whole debate is about how to best combat it. And if we were to tally the death counts at the hands of the regimes of various ideologies, communism killed far more of its own citizens than even Nazism (see the Holodomor and Mao's "Great Leap Forward"), whether you are going to acknowledge it, or just call it propaganda.

You are only technically correct, as you said, "communist societies do not require the subjugation of an entire religion." Last time I checked, they are rather well known for subjugating all religions.

You call it "subjugating religions", I call it freeing people from the subjugation of religion.
And if I may link this with the above conversation: I wonder how many are the victims of religion...

Which god to worship, or to worship none at all is one's personal choice. Communism denies the individual that choice.

[Syberis]

With one exception, there seems to be nothing severely objectionable with any of the propaganda posters. (Unless you see something wrong with condemning communism, in which case you're out of luck.) The one poster in question will be altered as soon as possible.

One poster? You're either a poor student of history or are deliberately lying to us in that regard, hoping we don't know the imagery your region is using. I'm gonna show you three of the questionable posters, with the actual Nazi posters they're ripped from on the right. There are more, one of which is literally an early Nazi party poster with one word added. These, however, are lazy paint jobs to try to hide it. There is PLENTY of German art and propaganda that isn't Nazi in origin. Try using that for your posters.

As far as your other post, if you want to discuss the pros and cons of Nazism and Communism, take it to NSG. That's not the point of this thread, and I'm sick of your attempts to distract from the poor choices of your region.

Again, this was posted by your founder. Can you justify this at all?

[Kurnugia]

One poster? You're either a poor student of history or are deliberately lying to us in that regard, hoping we don't know the imagery your region is using. I'm gonna show you three of the questionable posters, with the actual Nazi posters they're ripped from on the right. There are more, one of which is literally an early Nazi party poster with one word added. These, however, are lazy paint jobs to try to hide it. There is PLENTY of German art and propaganda that isn't Nazi in origin. Try using that for your posters.

As far as your other post, if you want to discuss the pros and cons of Nazism and Communism, take it to NSG. That's not the point of this thread, and I'm sick of your attempts to distract from the poor choices of your region.

Again, this was posted by your founder. Can you justify this at all?

To be fair there is most certaintly a will to distance itselfs of the nazis. If i have to place a bet I would say that they're diletant when it comes down to find source material. Especially when they have no problems using wh40k material.

[Imperial Kingdom of Kaosagi]

This entire thread = so salty it's causing a drought

[Fauxia]

Talk about racism... How about the CAIN? They see words like "reich" or "kaiser" and assume that that is nazi. Okay. How about you make every region with the name "Emperor" or "Empire" nazi regions? Regions like the Land of Kings and Emperors. Oh wait, they're a member of this upright pact, never mind.
You are all a bunch of commies who want to exterminate the right. I would respect you if you were honest about it. But you just call all conservatives "nazis". Embassies do not make a real alliance! Is the Embassy nazi? Using your logic, yes.
And nazism is neither left-wing or right-wing. These commies want to spread propaganda, so they say nazism is conservative... just, no. It's National SOCIALISM for a reason. The right is capitalist. Just because nazis are nationalist doesn't make them right-wing. They aren't left-wing, they're totalitarian.
And I'm not about to deny Hitler's evil-ness. He may be the most evil person of all time. But there's also commies like Stalin and Mao. Hitler killed 17 million people. Stalin killed 23. Mao killed anywhere from 49-78 million people. That's the entire UK.
Oh yeah. It's the left that thinks it's morally okay to slaughter millions of babies. That sounds nazi to me! You only care for some people. I hope you aren't okay with eating the aborted fetuses, like they did in China!
So yeah. The three most violent people of all time, by number of people killed, were all socialists. The left. Maybe nazism is really a LEFT-WING ideology. I'll still be nice and say it's neither.
Anyway, this coalition does nothing but bully conservative regions. You are the bullies, not us. Just remember, the next time you attack us for being misogynists and homophobes (we aren't homophobes, be gay all you want, just don't act like it)
This coalition is corrupt, dishonest, and pathetic. It deserves several condemnations.

I wish all you people and your nations the best! I wish this region to be burned to the ground!

Sincerely,
Fauxia, proud member of "nazi collaborator" (hah) the Galactic Federation of Nations.

[Consular]

"Blah blah we're being persecuted or something idk". It must be such a hard life being a "conservative" or whatever you want to call yourself

Also,

(we aren't homophobes, be gay all you want, just don't act like it)

> Not homophobic
> Immediately says something blatantly homophobic

Classic

[Funkadelia]

-snip-

Want a kiss?

[Vuori Kunin-Grrs]

Talk about racism... How about the CAIN? They see words like "reich" or "kaiser" and assume that that is nazi. Okay. How about you make every region with the name "Emperor" or "Empire" nazi regions? Regions like the Land of Kings and Emperors. Oh wait, they're a member of this upright pact, never mind.
You are all a bunch of commies who want to exterminate the right. I would respect you if you were honest about it. But you just call all conservatives "nazis". Embassies do not make a real alliance! Is the Embassy nazi? Using your logic, yes.
And nazism is neither left-wing or right-wing. These commies want to spread propaganda, so they say nazism is conservative... just, no. It's National SOCIALISM for a reason. The right is capitalist. Just because nazis are nationalist doesn't make them right-wing. They aren't left-wing, they're totalitarian.

For your information, generalizing that all members of CAIN are communists who are violently against "the right" and saying that Nazism is socialist is a logical fallacy. There are only one or two communist members in CAIN, I believe, and that is not all of the member regions. Additionally, Nazism was called "National Socialism" to appeal to those who liked Socialism and basically have somewhat of a greater selling point; Nazism wasn't Socialist at all, and actually is really capitalist, with corporations working very closely with the totalitarian fascist/Nazi government.

And I'm not about to deny Hitler's evil-ness. He may be the most evil person of all time. But there's also commies like Stalin and Mao. Hitler killed 17 million people. Stalin killed 23. Mao killed anywhere from 49-78 million people. That's the entire UK.
Oh yeah. It's the left that thinks it's morally okay to slaughter millions of babies. That sounds nazi to me! You only care for some people. I hope you aren't okay with eating the aborted fetuses, like they did in China!

Seriously? These "commies" were, first of all, not communists at all. They were more like Stalinists, who were basically just dictatorships who called themselves communist simply so that they could take power, and killed because they were dictatorships. The whole facade that Communism is meant to kill all "anti-revolutionaries" and whatnot is completely false; an ideal communist society, in actuality, would be more like the society shown in the book The Giver by Lois Lowry, but not exactly. Many of the "communist" regions you see here on NationStates are really just Stalinist regions who try to act like they are actually Communist.

Furthermore, the Chinese simply don't eat aborted fetuses, at least not to the scale described in that article. That article's sources seem to be a lot of untrustworthy online sources, which don't appear to have credibility, and being Chinese, I have never even heard of it. Even if it did exist, it would probably be much, much less common than the eating of dogs, which is restricted to pretty much just a couple hundred thousand people.

So yeah. The three most violent people of all time, by number of people killed, were all socialists. The left. Maybe nazism is really a LEFT-WING ideology. I'll still be nice and say it's neither.
Anyway, this coalition does nothing but bully conservative regions. You are the bullies, not us. Just remember, the next time you attack us for being misogynists and homophobes (we aren't homophobes, be gay all you want, just don't act like it)
This coalition is corrupt, dishonest, and pathetic. It deserves several condemnations.

I wish all you people and your nations the best! I wish this region to be burned to the ground!

Sincerely,
Fauxia, proud member of "nazi collaborator" (hah) the Galactic Federation of Nations.

Repeating my previous argument, Hitler was not ever a Socialist (if he was, he wouldn't have exterminated the Communists and would've detested the idea of becoming a dictator) and was simply a Jew-hating remorseless psychopath, Stalin completely ignored what Socialism should've even been after Lenin and just became a protester-hater remorseless psychopath, and Mao didn't think Communism through well enough nor did he want to lose power and ended up being an absent-minded remorseless serial killer.

Next, CAIN doesn't bully conservative regions, unless you consider Nazi regions to be conservative, which I think is completely absurd. And wishing for one of the largest task forces against Nazism in the history of NationStates to be burnt to the ground is overkill.

Simply put, I do believe that you strongly disagree with CAIN's policy of designating regions with Nazi Region embassies as Nazi Collaborators. The fact of the matter is, though, is that the very act of opening embassies with such regions increases the general tolerance towards this ideology, which increases the chance of players of NS being more open towards Nazism, and therefore increasing the possibility of a Nazi regime possibly returning in RL, and a greater Nazi sphere of influence in NS. Obviously, members of CAIN don't want such a thing, and therefore, take action against such regions, which I strongly support. The very pretense of Nazi tolerance is something that must Cease To Exist from NationStates.

[Cresenthia]

What CAIN needs to be able to do is prove not just that regions were Nazi in the past, but that they remain so. Otherwise, by refusing to acknowledge change in regions, CAIN is just further alienating more regions who would either support CAIN, or try to get removed from one of the blacklists.

[Cerian Quilor]

CAIN targets not just Nazis, but the people who work with Nazis. So they don't need to prove that everyone that they hit is a Nazi, because their target range is expanded beyond that.

[Cresenthia]

CAIN targets not just Nazis, but the people who work with Nazis. So they don't need to prove that everyone that they hit is a Nazi, because their target range is expanded beyond that.

The consensus is that they're current targeting of "Nazi Collaborator" uses bad criteria (embassies). If they were to restrict such blacklisting to regions that take part in military actions alongside Nazi regions, at the request of the Nazi regions, then they should still need to prove that they haven't stopped collaborating with Nazis.

If CAIN is trying to stop Nazism on NationStates, then why do they make it so hard on themselves to acknowledge that they are having their desired effect?

[Cerian Quilor]

CAIN targets not just Nazis, but the people who work with Nazis. So they don't need to prove that everyone that they hit is a Nazi, because their target range is expanded beyond that.

The consensus is that they're current targeting of "Nazi Collaborator" uses bad criteria (embassies). If they were to restrict such blacklisting to regions that take part in military actions alongside Nazi regions, at the request of the Nazi regions, then they should still need to prove that they haven't stopped collaborating with Nazis.

If CAIN is trying to stop Nazism on NationStates, then why do they make it so hard on themselves to acknowledge that they are having their desired effect?

The consensus exists mostly among people like yourself - I.e. Nazi collaborators. I am no fan of CAIN, and I have never been part of any such 'consensus'.

Having an embassy with a Nazi Region is still providing diplomatic and political cover and connection to a Nazi Region. The whole point of CAIN is to diplomatically, politically and military isolate Nazi regions. Diplomatic and political isolation includes stopping Nazi regions from having Embassies with other regions as much as possible.

[Fauxia]

Talk about racism... How about the CAIN? They see words like "reich" or "kaiser" and assume that that is nazi. Okay. How about you make every region with the name "Emperor" or "Empire" nazi regions? Regions like the Land of Kings and Emperors. Oh wait, they're a member of this upright pact, never mind.
You are all a bunch of commies who want to exterminate the right. I would respect you if you were honest about it. But you just call all conservatives "nazis". Embassies do not make a real alliance! Is the Embassy nazi? Using your logic, yes.
And nazism is neither left-wing or right-wing. These commies want to spread propaganda, so they say nazism is conservative... just, no. It's National SOCIALISM for a reason. The right is capitalist. Just because nazis are nationalist doesn't make them right-wing. They aren't left-wing, they're totalitarian.

For your information, generalizing that all members of CAIN are communists who are violently against "the right" and saying that Nazism is socialist is a logical fallacy. There are only one or two communist members in CAIN, I believe, and that is not all of the member regions. Additionally, Nazism was called "National Socialism" to appeal to those who liked Socialism and basically have somewhat of a greater selling point; Nazism wasn't Socialist at all, and actually is really capitalist, with corporations working very closely with the totalitarian fascist/Nazi government.

And I'm not about to deny Hitler's evil-ness. He may be the most evil person of all time. But there's also commies like Stalin and Mao. Hitler killed 17 million people. Stalin killed 23. Mao killed anywhere from 49-78 million people. That's the entire UK.
Oh yeah. It's the left that thinks it's morally okay to slaughter millions of babies. That sounds nazi to me! You only care for some people. I hope you aren't okay with eating the aborted fetuses, like they did in China!

Seriously? These "commies" were, first of all, not communists at all. They were more like Stalinists, who were basically just dictatorships who called themselves communist simply so that they could take power, and killed because they were dictatorships. The whole facade that Communism is meant to kill all "anti-revolutionaries" and whatnot is completely false; an ideal communist society, in actuality, would be more like the society shown in the book The Giver by Lois Lowry, but not exactly. Many of the "communist" regions you see here on NationStates are really just Stalinist regions who try to act like they are actually Communist.

Furthermore, the Chinese simply don't eat aborted fetuses, at least not to the scale described in that article. That article's sources seem to be a lot of untrustworthy online sources, which don't appear to have credibility, and being Chinese, I have never even heard of it. Even if it did exist, it would probably be much, much less common than the eating of dogs, which is restricted to pretty much just a couple hundred thousand people.

So yeah. The three most violent people of all time, by number of people killed, were all socialists. The left. Maybe nazism is really a LEFT-WING ideology. I'll still be nice and say it's neither.
Anyway, this coalition does nothing but bully conservative regions. You are the bullies, not us. Just remember, the next time you attack us for being misogynists and homophobes (we aren't homophobes, be gay all you want, just don't act like it)
This coalition is corrupt, dishonest, and pathetic. It deserves several condemnations.

I wish all you people and your nations the best! I wish this region to be burned to the ground!

Sincerely,
Fauxia, proud member of "nazi collaborator" (hah) the Galactic Federation of Nations.

Repeating my previous argument, Hitler was not ever a Socialist (if he was, he wouldn't have exterminated the Communists and would've detested the idea of becoming a dictator) and was simply a Jew-hating remorseless psychopath, Stalin completely ignored what Socialism should've even been after Lenin and just became a protester-hater remorseless psychopath, and Mao didn't think Communism through well enough nor did he want to lose power and ended up being an absent-minded remorseless serial killer.

Next, CAIN doesn't bully conservative regions, unless you consider Nazi regions to be conservative, which I think is completely absurd. And wishing for one of the largest task forces against Nazism in the history of NationStates to be burnt to the ground is overkill.

Simply put, I do believe that you strongly disagree with CAIN's policy of designating regions with Nazi Region embassies as Nazi Collaborators. The fact of the matter is, though, is that the very act of opening embassies with such regions increases the general tolerance towards this ideology, which increases the chance of players of NS being more open towards Nazism, and therefore increasing the possibility of a Nazi regime possibly returning in RL, and a greater Nazi sphere of influence in NS. Obviously, members of CAIN don't want such a thing, and therefore, take action against such regions, which I strongly support. The very pretense of Nazi tolerance is something that must Cease To Exist from NationStates.

Socialism ends up not being democratic. Socialism is a failure, and always is, because it encourages people not to work. So no one votes Socialist for a long time. And because socialism is extreme government control, it ends up being a dictatorship. And Stalinism is also communism, because it is complete government control over the economy, even if it's nationalist and blocks civil rights. It's totalitarian communism, not liberal communism. I'll concede that. But it was communism nonetheless. As for nazism, at most it was liberal capitalism, what I'll call "drugged capitalism". Was industry technically privately owned? Yes. Was industry really privately owned? No.
As for your point about "ideal communist society being like the society in the giver", well, I've never actually read the Giver, but I know a little bit about it. First of all, it's considered distopian. I can't verify that as false or true. But I DO know that it's a eugenist society, that Lois Lowry was attacking. So of that's real communism, communism is a terrible thing.
Hitler exterminated the commies because they were a threat in his eyes, not because they were commies.

There is no definitive proof that KAISERREICH is nazi, but the CAIN sees a conservative region with the word "reich" so they say: "Nazi!"

About Nazi Europa and National Socialist Ministries, they're the morons that named their regions Nazi. They aren't actually nazi, because they don't actually know what nazism is, so they think they are. But I can't REALLY blame the CAIN for that.

KAISERREICH, though, is ridiculous. There is no definitive evidence, just history of a few anti-semites. A nazi region should mean a region that is tailored to nazi nations and nazism as a whole, not a region with a couple of neo-nazis. And because KAISERREICH is a large conservative regions, they make embassies with other conservative regions, and so those get labeled as "nazi collaborators". No. KAISERREICH isn't nazi, and neither is any nation just because they make an embassy. An embassy isn't necessarily some alliance, anyway.

Of course you've never heard of Chinese cannibalism. That's because you're Chinese! This is a country that
believes that all citizens should be left ignorant of everything that happens with the government. The cannibalism is pretty well documented; I'm sure you can find other places about it. That's not important, though, my mentioning that was going too far, so my apologies.

And about The CAIN being burned to the ground, it does need to be destroyed. I don't mind anti-nazism; In fact, I am vehemently against nazism, fascism, and the like. But the alliance has done nothing good at all. They've gone after regions like Right to Life, which is expressly anti-nazi, just because they promote life as opposed to brutal murder.

(we aren't homophobes, be gay all you want, just don't act like it)

> Not homophobic
> Immediately says something blatantly homophobic

Classic

Not homophobia! I have nothing against homosexuals. I love them like I love you, and KAISERREICH, and everyone in the world. I simply believe that natural and Divine law should not be violated, and both oppose homosexual unions. Homophobia is not opposition to same-sex unions, it's prejudice against homosexuals, and I am not prejudiced. I'm sorry that they have a mental disorder. Really! But it's a God-given desolation to overcome and to grow.

[Audioslavia]

Homophobia is not opposition to same-sex unions, it's prejudice against homosexuals, and I am not prejudiced. I'm sorry that they have a mental disorder. Really! But it's a God-given desolation to overcome and to grow.

There are a metric twat-ton of ways to phrase the idea that homosexuality in people is a product of nature rather than nurture (which in itself is, unless I'm very much mistaken, a reasonable standpoint to have) and you chose 'I'm sorry that they have a mental disorder'.

I call that trolling. So does my little red friend here.

*** \o/ Hi this is a warning for trolling! ***

Knock it off. If you've an opinion that you know is controversial and you know will make people angry, do yourself and the community a favour and word it properly.

[Audioslavia]

I didn't even realise this wasn't the NS General forum.

This thread is far too heavy on RL politics and far too light on NS politics. Please take discussion on RL nazism there.

Locked.