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by Taihei Tengoku » Sun May 14, 2017 2:42 pm
by Husseinarti » Sun May 14, 2017 3:21 pm
Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:Does the way the killing is done matter? I'd imagine shooting someone 100 yards away might have a different effect than eviscerating their bowels with your bayonet.
Palmyrion wrote:What happens if you deliberately condition your recruits to find joy in killing?
Allanea wrote:It's not clear if human being are naturally repulsed by killing or not.
That's to say, killing a single human being is traumatic to most, but studies differ on what happens afterwards.
Allanea wrote:Some studies argue that killing is traumatic in general, and others - for example, research into the experience of WW1 combatants - suggest that killing actually reduces the trauma of war, and that soldiers that were exposed to enemy fire and not able to kill the people who fired themselves (for example, rear-echelon troops who were regularly exposed to enemy fire) were actually more severely traumatized than front-line soldiers.
by Purpelia » Sun May 14, 2017 3:22 pm
Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:Does the way the killing is done matter? I'd imagine shooting someone 100 yards away might have a different effect than eviscerating their bowels with your bayonet.
by Hurtful Thoughts » Sun May 14, 2017 3:50 pm
Husseinarti wrote:What the Army implemented later after World War Two were shooting drills designed to make soldiers react as an enemy would expose themselves. i.e. instead of shooting a target at 150 meters that just stands there, challenge soldiers to shoot a target that pops-up for a limited amount of time before they go back down. The 'I'm up, he sees me, I'm down' type thing. During training, you create a competition between recruits over who can shoot the best with the least amount of time to have the men want to hone and become better, etc.
You create a physical response to the enemy, not just to them wanting to kill, which creates fucking psychopaths and shouldn't be done. The attempt was to, at the very least, remove any hard thought in the shooting of the target. Now, what to do once the idea hits you that you just killed a man isn't covered, the training only covers right to when the dude drops dead.
Making dudes who 'like' killing is how groups like E-Gruppe start.
Purpelia wrote:Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:Does the way the killing is done matter? I'd imagine shooting someone 100 yards away might have a different effect than eviscerating their bowels with your bayonet.
Yes and no. Like, basically it is my very limited understanding that if you can see the guy you are killing it's worse than if you are just firing shells over a hill but that fundamentally that's it. But that's like not reliable and I hope someone who has read more on the subject will fill it in or correct me.
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by Halfblakistan » Sun May 14, 2017 5:32 pm
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by Laritaia » Sun May 14, 2017 5:35 pm
Halfblakistan wrote:What would be a realistic amphibious troop transport for a developing archipelagic country? I was looking at the DUKW and imagined that an island country would need to upgrade during the middle of the Cold War. The M113 looks good, but what would replace that?
by Taihei Tengoku » Sun May 14, 2017 5:43 pm
Halfblakistan wrote:What would be a realistic amphibious troop transport for a developing archipelagic country? I was looking at the DUKW and imagined that an island country would need to upgrade during the middle of the Cold War. The M113 looks good, but what would replace that?
by Gallia- » Sun May 14, 2017 5:44 pm
by Federated Kingdom of Prussia » Sun May 14, 2017 5:47 pm
by Halfblakistan » Sun May 14, 2017 5:55 pm
Laritaia wrote:Halfblakistan wrote:What would be a realistic amphibious troop transport for a developing archipelagic country? I was looking at the DUKW and imagined that an island country would need to upgrade during the middle of the Cold War. The M113 looks good, but what would replace that?
you aren't going to go island hopping in an amphibious APC
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by Gallia- » Sun May 14, 2017 5:56 pm
Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:Is there any realistic truth to the claim that soldiers in pre-gunpowder eras might not be as prone to combat stress, under the belief that they were raised and lived in a much harder society? There's literary evidence for soldiers having stressful reactions back in the day - off the top of my head, I know an Athenian is recorded as having gone permanently blind at the sight of a terrifying Persian soldier at the Battle of Marathon, and the Macedonians at the Battle of Pydna are horrified at the Romans' shortswords carving people up(though this is much more likely to be the Macedonians being a green and untested army at the time, where the Romans were veterans of the Punic wars).
The book Achilles in Vietnam which I referenced earlier posits that the titular character suffered from combat stress, while comparing what is written in the Iliad to American soldiers' experiences in Vietnam. It's a fictional poem, obviously, but it's a work of tremendous importance on the world it was written in.
by Laritaia » Sun May 14, 2017 5:58 pm
Halfblakistan wrote:Laritaia wrote:
you aren't going to go island hopping in an amphibious APC
Right, but assuming the military owned some sort of LPD or another amphibious warfare vessel, what would they land on the beaches with if they were a backwater? I can imagine Mutual Defense Assistance Act LSTs sending out DUKWs onto a beachhead to root out leftist rebels.
by Puzikas » Sun May 14, 2017 7:51 pm
You'd probably get more fucked sitting there watching dudes get ripped up by arty fire than dudes getting stabbed.
You stab them a bunch, they fall and scream and you keep advancing.
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by Allanea » Sun May 14, 2017 10:35 pm
Well, the biggest thing is that we can't just pull a Roman soldier from 250 BC to tell us if he ever has any second thought about killing a Carthaginian. The values instilled in the society at large also would be a big factor on if the human mind is naturally hesitant on killing.
by The Akasha Colony » Mon May 15, 2017 8:26 am
Halfblakistan wrote:Right, but assuming the military owned some sort of LPD or another amphibious warfare vessel, what would they land on the beaches with if they were a backwater? I can imagine Mutual Defense Assistance Act LSTs sending out DUKWs onto a beachhead to root out leftist rebels.
by New Oyashima » Mon May 15, 2017 8:54 am
Kassaran wrote:Taking Cheyenne conversation from both threads to here in general, why was the Cheyenne horrible?
by Gallia- » Tue May 16, 2017 3:54 am
by Gallia- » Tue May 16, 2017 4:43 am
Gallia- wrote:stuff
by Taihei Tengoku » Tue May 16, 2017 9:56 am
by Mestovakia » Wed May 17, 2017 11:54 am
by Spirit of Hope » Wed May 17, 2017 12:06 pm
Mestovakia wrote:"This poison is odorless, tasteless, and has no antidote. The bodies of those killed with 135 remain poisonous for a year. Inhaled compound 135 attacks the brain and lungs, and shuts down the central nervous system.. Several orders of magnitude deadlier than sarin, this poison causes your nervous system to fail, resulting in an extremely painful death."
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"It is in solid form, with a volume of 45 cubic centimeters, when the pin is pulled an initial explosion happens in 5 seconds, the explosion releases 135 into the air which almost instantly sublimates into a gas."
Anyone else see a problem with this? I need professional opinion on this weapon an associate of mine is using.
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by Mestovakia » Wed May 17, 2017 12:08 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:Mestovakia wrote:"This poison is odorless, tasteless, and has no antidote. The bodies of those killed with 135 remain poisonous for a year. Inhaled compound 135 attacks the brain and lungs, and shuts down the central nervous system.. Several orders of magnitude deadlier than sarin, this poison causes your nervous system to fail, resulting in an extremely painful death."
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"It is in solid form, with a volume of 45 cubic centimeters, when the pin is pulled an initial explosion happens in 5 seconds, the explosion releases 135 into the air which almost instantly sublimates into a gas."
Anyone else see a problem with this? I need professional opinion on this weapon an associate of mine is using.
Are they using poison gas hand grenades? Because that just sounds really stupid. At the range you would be throwing a hand grenade at your troops are going to be just as effected by it's use as any opponents, especially if they want it to be as deadly as they portray it. Either your troops have to be in MOAP gear, or they are going to be killed by "135" as well.
And as soon as you start using it your opponent can counter it's use by issuing their own troops with MOAP gear, and using there own chemical weapons in retaliation. Using chemical weapons also violates several real life treaties and won't gett you treated all that well by the world community, thought that is something you can partially ignore in NS.
by Albynau » Wed May 17, 2017 12:46 pm
by Gallia- » Wed May 17, 2017 12:50 pm
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