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by Skyviolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:57 pm
by Nocturnalis » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:09 pm
Ifreann wrote:That's less amusing, but does undermine the point about the superiority of authoritarian systems of government.
So yay?
by United Ambera » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:10 pm
American Imperial Realm wrote:United Ambera wrote:"Empower the Executive"
Yeah, that will surely fulfill the direct will of the people (sarcasm if you couldn't tell)
And that piece of paper is what help found and develop America, to simply get rid of it would harm the nation in many ways.
It is true that many members of Congress are corrupt, but completely switching to a system of near totalitarian scale wouldn't give people more will over the Government and wouldn't serve them in any way.
It would serve the will of the people better than Congress or the current ruling party ever could. The Bushes and Clintons of the world who dominate, and the people like Trump... They're the standard in our failed dual-party system. It's time to throw off the shackles of established oppression and throw the whole corrupt, rotten structure away.
A strong executive who is able to secure our Race and our nation is what we need. The people are generally not very intelligent, and don't bother learning about the issues. They vote their feelings, not their logic. The problem with the liberal ideology generally.
We need a strong leader who will deport non-whites, who will create policies to preserve the white character of our nation. We need a leader who will institute universal healthcare over the whims of the electorate, someone who will not let weakness hinder us from the necessary policies to exterminate our enemies, such as ISIS.
Gloves off, enemies under ground. That's how it has to be done.
by USS Monitor » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:42 pm
Nocturnalis wrote:Ifreann wrote:That's less amusing, but does undermine the point about the superiority of authoritarian systems of government.
So yay?
Authoritarian governments, as a general rule, persist longer and are more stable than democratic/mob rule governments. Every single democratic state that exists today was first formed sometime within the last 250 years - a long time by the standard of an individual lifetime, but an insignificant span of time in comparison to the sheer millennia of authoritarian governance. It is only a quirk of the last century that democracy has managed to last this long.
So if one considers order and stability to be the deciding factor in deciding which government form is superior (as some in this thread would, judging by the responses), then authoritarian governments are by and large superior.
by Grave_n_idle » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:07 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:09 pm
by Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:10 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Nocturnalis wrote:Authoritarian governments, as a general rule, persist longer and are more stable than democratic/mob rule governments. Every single democratic state that exists today was first formed sometime within the last 250 years - a long time by the standard of an individual lifetime, but an insignificant span of time in comparison to the sheer millennia of authoritarian governance. It is only a quirk of the last century that democracy has managed to last this long.
So if one considers order and stability to be the deciding factor in deciding which government form is superior (as some in this thread would, judging by the responses), then authoritarian governments are by and large superior.
Changes in technology, particularly communication technology, have an effect on political systems.
It is hard to organize elections in a low-tech civilization because the challenges of communicating over large distances make it difficult to collect and tabulate everyone's vote. This is why large low-tech civilizations gravitate more toward authoritarian systems that don't need as much communication to function.
"Sapient self-governance is overrated. It all fails eventually. Have fun while you can."Officially an A-class civilization,The Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire (SMTE) doesn't care!but really a J-class civilization.
by A Humanist Resurrection » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:21 pm
Nocturnalis wrote:Authoritarian governments, as a general rule, persist longer and are more stable than democratic/mob rule governments. Every single democratic state that exists today was first formed sometime within the last 250 years - a long time by the standard of an individual lifetime, but an insignificant span of time in comparison to the sheer millennia of authoritarian governance. It is only a quirk of the last century that democracy has managed to last this long.
by The Portland Territory » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:23 pm
by The Portland Territory » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:25 pm
Antoura wrote:Yes, they should be replaced forthwith and posthaste by directly democratic people's assemblies.
by Antoura » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:29 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:Antoura wrote:Yes, they should be replaced forthwith and posthaste by directly democratic people's assemblies.
I mean, I'm in more of a support for the Swiss model, but as of now, there's nothing really wrong with how Congress is set up. Rather, it's the people in it that are the problem
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:40 pm
Soyouso wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
If everyone gets a say, then the only logical outcome is that you're going to get mediocre to poor governance outcomes because not everyone is equally qualified to make decisions.
The optimal way to govern should be to find a way to make the decisions of those who are most qualified count the most.
If you're going to operate a military campaign, you don't want everyone to have a say. You want the best military minds working on it. Same with any medical, commercial, technological campaign... It's the same principle with governance.
If you see a bad dictatorship the correct answer isn't to go... "Well let's give everyone a say," that just guarantees mediocre to poor outcomes.
It should be... "Well lets look for the right group to take command."
Infected Mushroom for leader 2k21
That was brilliant.
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:41 pm
Jute wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
If everyone gets a say, then the only logical outcome is that you're going to get mediocre to poor governance outcomes because not everyone is equally qualified to make decisions.
The optimal way to govern should be to find a way to make the decisions of those who are most qualified count the most.
If you're going to operate a military campaign, you don't want everyone to have a say. You want the best military minds working on it. Same with any medical, commercial, technological campaign... It's the same principle with governance.
If you see a bad dictatorship the correct answer isn't to go... "Well let's give everyone a say," that just guarantees mediocre to poor outcomes.
It should be... "Well lets look for the right group to take command."
Which is exactly what democracy is about, looking for and electing (ideally) the best and most capable leader or president.
by Biancavilla » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:42 pm
by USS Monitor » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:42 pm
Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
Changes in technology, particularly communication technology, have an effect on political systems.
It is hard to organize elections in a low-tech civilization because the challenges of communicating over large distances make it difficult to collect and tabulate everyone's vote. This is why large low-tech civilizations gravitate more toward authoritarian systems that don't need as much communication to function.
The moment they reach a certain complexity threshold, they start having incessant civil wars until they fragment.
Civil wars that they usually have anyway.
Utter bullshit to claim that authoritarianism is any sort of universal stability guarantee. Sure we might have a civil war every 40 years but it beats having elections 10x as often
by Abidawe » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:43 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Cos Trump's sky-high approval rating totally suggests that his bullshit is the direct will of the people...
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by Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:45 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire wrote:The moment they reach a certain complexity threshold, they start having incessant civil wars until they fragment.
Civil wars that they usually have anyway.
Utter bullshit to claim that authoritarianism is any sort of universal stability guarantee. Sure we might have a civil war every 40 years but it beats having elections 10x as often
It's not a universal stability guarantee, but there have been some authoritarian systems that were quite stable. The Tokugawa shogunate lasted 250 years and had no major wars. Not every authoritarian regime will be able to replicate that success, but it is still a success worthy of respect.
(FTR, I was not arguing in favor of authoritarian systems. I was only explaining why they were more common in the past.)
"Sapient self-governance is overrated. It all fails eventually. Have fun while you can."Officially an A-class civilization,The Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire (SMTE) doesn't care!but really a J-class civilization.
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:05 pm
by Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:07 pm
"Sapient self-governance is overrated. It all fails eventually. Have fun while you can."Officially an A-class civilization,The Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire (SMTE) doesn't care!but really a J-class civilization.
by Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:09 pm
"Sapient self-governance is overrated. It all fails eventually. Have fun while you can."Officially an A-class civilization,The Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire (SMTE) doesn't care!but really a J-class civilization.
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:24 pm
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:25 pm
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