by Dread Lady Nathicana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:50 pm
by Shikinami Asuka Langley » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:52 pm
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:55 pm
Shikinami Asuka Langley wrote:I'd rather have a bit of clutter than mods removing things they deem cluttering.
by Shikinami Asuka Langley » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:00 pm
by Lockdownn » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:22 pm
Shikinami Asuka Langley wrote:Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Meaning the locked threads - that's the stuff I'm talking about, not just randomly removing with no reason. Things reported in the removal threads, etc.
I still maintain the stance.
Just because a thread has been locked doesn't mean it has no value. Threads can be locked for a variety of reasons, as I'm sure you know, from insufficient OPs to a flame war erupting. However, that doesn't say anything about the overall content of the thread. Sometimes there are even locked threads worth reading.
Regardless, I don't have a strong opinion on the matter. I wouldn't mind if they started removing really old/inactive or locked threads even if I'd rather they didn't unless absolutely necessary.
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:42 pm
by Chrinthanium » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:43 pm
Lockdownn wrote:Shikinami Asuka Langley wrote:I still maintain the stance.
Just because a thread has been locked doesn't mean it has no value. Threads can be locked for a variety of reasons, as I'm sure you know, from insufficient OPs to a flame war erupting. However, that doesn't say anything about the overall content of the thread. Sometimes there are even locked threads worth reading.
Regardless, I don't have a strong opinion on the matter. I wouldn't mind if they started removing really old/inactive or locked threads even if I'd rather they didn't unless absolutely necessary.
I'm pretty sure threads like this have little to no need to be in that sub-forum.
by Free Republics » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:00 pm
by Chrinthanium » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:10 pm
Free Republics wrote:Personally, I'd prefer to see threads that are posted in the wrong forum moved to the appropriate place, even if they're still lock-worthy. If NS Sports got people trying to start NSG threads with insufficient IPs about RL sports on a regular basis instead of merely once every few months, the search function would be practically unusable or would unnecessarily require extra keywords to find the historical tournaments you're looking for. I get why mods don't do this though because a lock is less work than a move and a lock.
I think the best solution to stop off-topic spam in the NS sub-forum is probably to rename it to something more descriptive of the kinds of posts that actually belong in there. A new name like "National Roleplay" would probably stop the gameplay, WA and issue threads that have always plagued that subforum.
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Once more ... a simple lock does not equate to what I'm referring to. Lockdown nailed it right there - the shitposting. The wasted space bits. The stuff that never belonged, and has no worth and thus, no point to continue showing up and taking up space til the end of time there. Perhaps a junk spot to move some of those to that gets cleaned out every week or so, trimmed as Forum 7 does - or did, unsure anymore. So if there happens to be content there that the OP needs, they have time to retrieve it, and post it in the right place. And the stuff that doesn't, and doesn't require movement to the evidence locker, stops taking up space.
Just a thought, anyways. There's been so much junk over the years, there are probably whole pages worth of things that could without loss to the player base at all, be removed. *shrugs*
by Lockdownn » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:27 pm
Chrinthanium wrote:
That thread is locked, though. No one can post in it. The chiding by OT is well-documented and visible for others to see. I see no reason to remove it. The fact is, it sets a precedent if the mods can singlehandedly remove an entire thread they deem 'unnecessary.' Mods already get enough crap about doing the things they're supposed to do. No reason I can think of to see scores of threads in Moderation decrying how X player's thread was summarily removed by Y moderator/administrator because Y mod/admin believed it to be 'unnecessary' or 'useless.'
Everyone seems to want more transparency from the Mods/Admins... I can't see anything less transparent than a thread being removed on the opinion of a moderator/administrator.
by The Federation of Kendor » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:46 pm
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Once more ... a simple lock does not equate to what I'm referring to. Lockdown nailed it right there - the shitposting. The wasted space bits. The stuff that never belonged, and has no worth and thus, no point to continue showing up and taking up space til the end of time there. Perhaps a junk spot to move some of those to that gets cleaned out every week or so, trimmed as Forum 7 does - or did, unsure anymore. So if there happens to be content there that the OP needs, they have time to retrieve it, and post it in the right place. And the stuff that doesn't, and doesn't require movement to the evidence locker, stops taking up space.
Just a thought, anyways. There's been so much junk over the years, there are probably whole pages worth of things that could without loss to the player base at all, be removed. *shrugs*
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by Chrinthanium » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:20 pm
Lockdownn wrote:Chrinthanium wrote:That thread is locked, though. No one can post in it. The chiding by OT is well-documented and visible for others to see. I see no reason to remove it. The fact is, it sets a precedent if the mods can singlehandedly remove an entire thread they deem 'unnecessary.' Mods already get enough crap about doing the things they're supposed to do. No reason I can think of to see scores of threads in Moderation decrying how X player's thread was summarily removed by Y moderator/administrator because Y mod/admin believed it to be 'unnecessary' or 'useless.'
Everyone seems to want more transparency from the Mods/Admins... I can't see anything less transparent than a thread being removed on the opinion of a moderator/administrator.
However, if it's taking up space, why leave it? Should there not be say an archive/basket for such threads that clutter slow-moving forums?
by Kyrusia » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:00 pm
If it's lock-worthy, it's ultimately irrelevant as to where it is insofar as "inappropriate or appropriate" board placement is concerned; its going to sink, regardless. That being said, if, say, a thread gets locked in Board A and moved to Board B, all you've really done is given the users of Board B the same sort of clutter that users of Board A might be displeased with; sometimes it still gets moved, regardless, but if it's just so woefully not going to work in either board, it often just gets locked and left to sink. If it's lock-worthy, but not obscene, spammy, etc. enough to warrant an immediate relocation to the Evidence Locker, locking it and moving it to a hidden locale doesn't readily demonstrate to the player that there is a problem and what the problem is. VoMing is possible, yes, but not every member of the staff is a Game Moderator, meaning anytime a Forum Mod ends-up doing simple board maintenance, they'd need to contact a Game Mod to do it for them.Free Republics wrote:Personally, I'd prefer to see threads that are posted in the wrong forum moved to the appropriate place, even if they're still lock-worthy.
This has been brought up before. It was briefly discussed when the "Diplomacy" category was re-named to "National & International Roleplaying"; unfortunately, the division between the two boards isn't necessarily as clear-cut as some people think. There are things of potential international merit that get posted in NS, just as there are roleplays that take place entirely in a single nation and may not be just "WAAGH! WAR!" in II. It's been that way for quite some time.Free Republics wrote:I think the best solution to stop off-topic spam in the NS sub-forum is probably to rename it to something more descriptive of the kinds of posts that actually belong in there. A new name like "National Roleplay" would probably stop the gameplay, WA and issue threads that have always plagued that subforum.
They don't, that is quite true. But see above as to why it is better for them simply to be locked and allowed to sink with a message visible to the OP.
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