Gael Historical Concordance [OOC][TWI Only]

[Verdon]

This thread's purpose is to work out a mutually accessible and congruent history for the nations of Gael and surrounding areas in order to create a more historically and culturally rich background for us to benefit from in our RPs and Factbooks. This area is for us to brainstorm and collaborate on the development of our region (of our region). So far, founded on Mitjevalia's (RIP) old factbooks, Ostehaar has compiled this:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=765638

Currently, this is all the historical information that is appropriate for all nations that we have found to sync well together. I would like to see more ideas about cultural origin and migration as well as spread of ideas, religions and technology over time. I am more than happy to create maps as a visual aid for this.

So please share any ideas about the origins of your countries so that we might be able to create a realistic network of how our nations relate to one another in history, culture, and identity!

The "Gael Greater Area" and Vancouvia

[Noronica]

My current Historical factbooks (main and early history are in WIP due to a revision of them)

Early History
Main History
Civil War

I have already made ties with Ostehaar during my Civil war. I am also planning in having Noronica become an ally of the Khas-Kirat Empire in Athara Magarat during the 1200's and 1300's by intermarriage.

[Ostehaar]

Early History

I think this is the one most important to us right now, since we're mainly trying to create a nice foundation to Gael in general.

The problem is - a lot of it is practically descriptions of what 'Neolithic' or 'Bronze Age' are. I mean, I won't add sentences such as "The Neolithic Age also saw the construction of a wide variety of monuments" and "The burial of the dead, which until the Bronze Age had usually been communal". These are known historical processes that apply to most nations.

If you could write here (or send me through TG) a summary of events\processes that were unique to Noronica - I'd add that.

[Vancouvia]

I know I'm not on the map but I'd love to be a part if that's okay. I want to keep my whole modern rush thing going (most people are immigrants or first generation Vancouvians), but I'd like to flesh out my early history a lot and to mesh that with Gael would work well, I think. Maybe have a few tribes, minor kingdoms from Gael establish outposts on Vancouvia like a far frontier Roman Empire-England thing.

[Verdon]

My current Historical factbooks (main and early history are in WIP due to a revision of them)
Early History

Alright. So to clarify, the Nyssic culture is based on Celtic culture (not related), or is it an offshoot from it (related)?

Previously, we've written that the earliest humans arrived in Gael in 13000 BC. Since you've put yours as 4000 BC, could it be that proto-nyssicens were part of a separate migration? that could explain the cultural differences and general isolation of 7000 years.

[Verdon]

I know I'm not on the map but I'd love to be a part if that's okay. I want to keep my whole modern rush thing going (most people are immigrants or first generation Vancouvians), but I'd like to flesh out my early history a lot and to mesh that with Gael would work well, I think. Maybe have a few tribes, minor kingdoms from Gael establish outposts on Vancouvia like a far frontier Roman Empire-England thing.

I think that'd be lovely. I want to get a good view of what our corner of the world looked like around 0 CE. Do you have an idea of what flavor of natives would work well for you? So far we've got alaskan-siberian and pseudo-pictish. I think Agadar is norse, but he might be a little late at 900 CE.

[Ostehaar]

I think. Maybe have a few tribes, minor kingdoms from Gael establish outposts on Vancouvia like a far frontier Roman Empire-England thing.

That would fit Noronica, in my opinion. He's closer to you than us, and also it seems his nation was a bit more developed politically and militarily.

[Vancouvia]

I know I'm not on the map but I'd love to be a part if that's okay. I want to keep my whole modern rush thing going (most people are immigrants or first generation Vancouvians), but I'd like to flesh out my early history a lot and to mesh that with Gael would work well, I think. Maybe have a few tribes, minor kingdoms from Gael establish outposts on Vancouvia like a far frontier Roman Empire-England thing.

I think that'd be lovely. I want to get a good view of what our corner of the world looked like around 0 CE. Do you have an idea of what flavor of natives would work well for you? So far we've got alaskan-siberian and pseudo-pictish. I think Agadar is norse, but he might be a little late at 900 CE.

Anything's fine with me. We can just use my nation as a filler or icing for any big things that are going on. Like someone gets shipwrecked? Maybe that was on Vancouvia. Someone or a tribe gets exiled? Off to Vancouvia. Maybe it's used as a penal colony at one period or there's a war for control over it. Maybe something like Carthage where it changes hands multiple times and is just an aside on the titles of Kings - "and Conqueror of Vancouvia." Although it wasn't called Vancouvia until recently and Codman was a rather recent term too, so I would need to think of an ancient name for the island.

[The Kingdom of Insura]

So far all I have is that there was a democracy that didn't work so they picked a king and... The rest is history for Insura. So yeah I can fit that to most things.

[Noronica]

Early History

I think this is the one most important to us right now, since we're mainly trying to create a nice foundation to Gael in general.

The problem is - a lot of it is practically descriptions of what 'Neolithic' or 'Bronze Age' are. I mean, I won't add sentences such as "The Neolithic Age also saw the construction of a wide variety of monuments" and "The burial of the dead, which until the Bronze Age had usually been communal". These are known historical processes that apply to most nations.

If you could write here (or send me through TG) a summary of events\processes that were unique to Noronica - I'd add that.

I will do so, telegram on the way.

My current Historical factbooks (main and early history are in WIP due to a revision of them)
Early History

Alright. So to clarify, the Nyssic culture is based on Celtic culture (not related), or is it an offshoot from it (related)?

Previously, we've written that the earliest humans arrived in Gael in 13000 BC. Since you've put yours as 4000 BC, could it be that proto-nyssicens were part of a separate migration? that could explain the cultural differences and general isolation of 7000 years.

Yes. I decided to go with the mostly TWI focus for my early history to try and develop my own culture, (Not related but based off).

Your idea would make sense. Would Noronica have been part of a land bridge to Gael which would allow mass migration? Also, would people be happy with proto-nyssicens being like Gael's Celts? It would allow for more integration.

I know I'm not on the map but I'd love to be a part if that's okay. I want to keep my whole modern rush thing going (most people are immigrants or first generation Vancouvians), but I'd like to flesh out my early history a lot and to mesh that with Gael would work well, I think. Maybe have a few tribes, minor kingdoms from Gael establish outposts on Vancouvia like a far frontier Roman Empire-England thing.

Come here my pretty.....

I could do a 1066-esque thing and establish land in Vancouvia, maybe making a Nyssic Duchy there which would be under the jurisdiction of the Monarch who would have the title of 'Duke of [Vancouvia]'. It could happen during the 1000's-1100's when my 'nation' was developed enough to do this.

[Verdon]

Yes. I decided to go with the mostly TWI focus for my early history to try and develop my own culture, (Not related but based off).

Your idea would make sense. Would Noronica have been part of a land bridge to Gael which would allow mass migration? Also, would people be happy with proto-nyssicens being like Gael's Celts? It would allow for more integration.

I think that's good, probably the better and more easily integrate-able option.

Depends on where you want your migration to come from.
The idea in Gael (or at least in Verdon), is that people arrived in 13000 BCE, a more dominant culture arived around 0 and replaced the first peoples. Your people could be migrants from the first peoples of Gael, which would also reinforce your ethnic uniqueness in the years after 0 CE, but still tie in to the proto-gael culture web. Or, you could go with a separate unrelated migration of your choice from somewhere else in TWI.

[Noronica]

Yes. I decided to go with the mostly TWI focus for my early history to try and develop my own culture, (Not related but based off).

Your idea would make sense. Would Noronica have been part of a land bridge to Gael which would allow mass migration? Also, would people be happy with proto-nyssicens being like Gael's Celts? It would allow for more integration.

I think that's good, probably the better and more easily integrate-able option.

Depends on where you want your migration to come from.
The idea in Gael (or at least in Verdon), is that people arrived in 13000 BCE, a more dominant culture arrived around 0 and replaced the first peoples. Your people could be migrants from the first peoples of Gael, which would also reinforce your ethnic uniqueness in the years after 0 CE, but still tie in to the proto-gael culture web. Or, you could go with a separate unrelated migration of your choice from somewhere else in TWI.

To stick within the boundaries of Gael, I think I'll go for the migrants of Gael which would make sense and would keep Noronica in the culture web.

[Agadar]

Tagging.

[Noronica]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=noronica/detail=factbook/id=716856

Finished my history factbook. I have added that the first people arrived in 13,000 BC in accordance with Gael history.

Would anyone like to tie in their histories?

(Vancouvia - are you interested in my proposal a few posts back?)

[Vancouvia]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=noronica/detail=factbook/id=716856

Finished my history factbook. I have added that the first people arrived in 13,000 BC in accordance with Gael history.

Would anyone like to tie in their histories?

(Vancouvia - are you interested in my proposal a few posts back?)

Sure

[Athara Magarat]

I know Athara Magarat is exactly the opposite of Gael in the southwest but there were frequent raids on these lands by the Khas-Kirat Empire.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=400985

Since you seem to be doing pre-history; I guess I have no business poking my head in here.

Needless to say, I love history building and was just checking in.

[Verdon]

Okay! So I've been scrounging through y'all's factbooks and I've prepared a "political" map for 1000 CE. Please excuse the arbitrary borders, I'm just guessing at civilization extents here...
Obviously some areas missing, I'd like to be able to fill those out.
Hopefully, I can create maps for several years, perhaps compile them into a .gif so we can see how our nations changed over time.
Let me know if I can edit this one to more accurately show the conditions in your nation at the time.

Gael and Surrounding Areas 1000 CE

Ostehaar,Noronica. You might wanna figure something out for the early history of Lovsk. Seems a bit odd that it wouldn't be populated at this point, but I know that later on it has to have become it's own independent place.

[Vancouvia]

I'll read through all of your guys' histories and then try to make a plot line for my island

[Ostehaar]

Ostehaar,Noronica. You might wanna figure something out for the early history of Lovsk. Seems a bit odd that it wouldn't be populated at this point, but I know that later on it has to have become it's own independent place.

It was populated sparsely. Perhaps we can find an explanation for that - for example, we can say most of its early population has been wiped out due to epidemics and natural events, leaving the island practically empty for the European colonists to arrive. That could explain why Noronica did not invade there when it became imperial (didn't want to mess with some powerful European country). Later the colonists abandoned the island due to... I don't know, domestic political problems, harsh conditions, etc. - and we're back to an almost empty island in the second half of the 20th century.

Alternative story: the island was inhabited by the Haalbihdebrukh (early Osters) that, again, underwent a process of slow dying there. This allowed the Noronnican empire to expand to there, claiming the place for itself, but later, when Ostehaar was founded, there was a referendum ("do you prefer to stay in Noronica, to become a part of Ostehaar, or to remain independent?") and the locals voted for independence.

[Vancouvia]

Okay here's my proposal, very free to change anything. Also took on a history for Illa Island.

Illa history: Around 250 AD, the Ulfaern Kingdom maps and settles on Illa, finding it very suitable to farming. Trade between Illa and the Noronican mainland flourishes but the population gradually develops a unique agrarian culture and a series of famines slows trade down to a halt. During the War of 520, Illa adopts a policy of neutrality despite repeated Waelf requests to rebel and invade Kaern's western shores. After the war ends, King Ulfred, lacking the necessary naval and marine force required to establish permanent control over Illa, and thankful for Illa's inaction, acquiesces to Illa's independence. Thereafter, Illa becomes an isolationist state: its population stagnates, a significant technological gap develops, and generation after generation continue the agrarian lifestyle of their ancestors.

During the 11th century, Christianity is introduced to Illa and takes root. Over the next few centuries, Illa Islanders occasionally open their borders to fleeing migrants from Gael and Argus, although many of these refugees are subjected to feudalistic slavery and are assimilated into Illa culture.

In 2015, a Vancouvian military force occupies the island, ostensibly to control the Argean waterways during a brief war against Bhumidol, while at the same time beginning massive humanitarian initiatives. Most Illa Islanders move to the the main Vancouvian base of Westilla, eager for supplies and education, and Vancouvia absorbs Illa into the nation without incident. Illa remains sparsely populated and most of the land is converted to high-yield farmland, becoming Vancouvia's "second breadbasket."

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Antiquity - 900 AD: Vancouvia is uninhabited due to its freezing climate and rumors of ravenous beasts that occupy the interior of the island. No permanent settlements have been established although the southern waters have been periodically fished in for over a millennia. Its shores are very roughly mapped and some interior exploration has occurred, although most nation-states consider the Vancouvian islands to be cursed and useless. Vancouvia becomes a haven for abundant wildlife, including varying species of bears, deer, walrus, wolves, and cattle.

~900: Archaeological data suggests the first hunting camps sprung up on Rochester Hook around this time, although these were temporary and vanished several years later.

1018: Sessux rebels flee west in several damaged ships after the battle against King Aegen's forces. About a hundred men and women arrive on Independence Island and begin a harsh existence, ultimately succumbing to the elements and their lack of supplies over the next twenty years, but not before introducing several mainland Argus-Gaelish animals to the ecosystem.

1072-1099: Nyssic King Edmund sends a series of exploration voyages to Vancouvia, which report back with a depiction of a land consisting of vast timber and hunting grounds. Edmund authorizes the first true permanent settlements on Vancouvia's southern shore. A new duchy, [name], is created with claims over the entire island group. Roughly a thousand Nyssic settlers spread out over [name], hunting the plentiful game.

1100-1300: A variety of valuable resources are discovered on [name], including pearls, silver, and exotic furs which continues to drive immigration.

ETC STILL WRITING/EDITING

[Noronica]

(Not quoting as the post is too large)

Vancouvia - Yes, that sounds very plausible and I would be very happy to agree to it.

[Agadar]

Might as well incorporate revising my nation's lore together with this coordinated Gael lore-crafting thread.

My initial plan is to go for a single kingdom with strong sentiments of ethnic superiority. I'll sit back a bit and see how that would fit with the ideas proposed here.

[Chitownia]

Gael and Surrounding Areas 1000 CE

Key for the colors?

[Verdon]

Key for the colors?

Colors are mostly arbitrary - having some correlation to prominent flag colors, but represent the direct predecessor of the current day nation in those areas. In the case of the area where Verdon is, it's the only place where there is data in factbooks on there being more than one tribe or nation at the indicated year 1000 CE.

[Noronica]

Vanvouvia, I've added your suggestions to my history factbook. Anything else you'd like to add? I changed 'Kingdom' to 'Duchy' as the King would have more control over the settlement, a kingdom would suggest complete independence, (unless that's what your were going for?)

These are excerpts from my factbook:

"Wanting to expand his lands, the third King of Ulfaern built vessels to travel across the sea. The many voyages embarked on failed, but he pressed on, continuing to construct new vessels until he finally managed to land one in 250 AD. The island that was discovered was what is now called the Illa Isle. The land was found to be extremely fertile and the land was rich with fauna. Trade was initiated between the Ulfaern Kingdom and the island, allowing the newly settled land to flourish."

"Eventually the King's Fleet broke through, reaching the Sessux Isle. Aegen's army pillaged, burned and destroyed the Isle, sending a message to the islanders to never rebel again. This caused many to flee the island, some taking boats and seeking refuge in and island they called, 'Independence Island' (now called Vancouvia). Aegen's son Haera killed the Laerd of the Sessux Isle in sword combat, further humiliating the Isle's people. A treaty was signed by the Laerd's son and King Aegen which unified the Kingdom again, the Sessux Isle swearing to never rebel against the King again. The refugees in Independence Island lived a harsh existence, most succumbing to the climate and the lack of supplies."

"In 1072, Edmund authorised a settlement to be built on the previously named 'Independence Island', after being informed of its vast wealth in timber and hunting game. Near the southern shores, the Duchy of Vaenland was created, the title added to the monarch of Noronica. Edmund was re-coronated, Edmund, King of Nyssic and Duke of Vaenland. The settlers spread around this new land, hunting the game and constructing new villages and towns."

"(1100) The Duchy of Vaenland became increasingly wealthy due to a vast variety of resources such as pearls, silver, and exotic furs. This continued to drive immigration, encouraging many to live on the island and reap the rewards, further adding to the prosperity of the relatively new settlement."