Globalists: how do we respond to resurgent nationalism?

[The Texan Union]

The youngest generation shows some very interesting trends, many of which are non-globalist.

(Let's be honest though, most of us started out just watching feminists get pwned for the lols. I'm not sure how that turned into me being an advocate for political change.)

Obviously the Illuminati and the UN need to strike now and establish the New World Order. They can't stop us if they're all in FEMA gulags, and we have the black helicopters and sleeper agents to do it.

[Saint-Thor]

That's a way to see it, I agree. Imho, globalization is a destroyer of culture. It tends to uniformize towards one culture, one language, one ideology (neoliberalism mostly) and one set of values. Nationalism, as in civic nationalism, is a rampart against various forms of imperialism. Some people here are afraid of nationalism because they only see it as a full Sieg Heil incubator. The things is, nationalism can produce the best and the worst. Ghandi was a nationalist, Mandela too. I'm pretty sure those two are not too fond of goose step. The Tibetan people resisting the Chinese imperialism are nationalists as well. The First nations of Canada also have a strong nationalist sentiment.

Nationalism opposes imperialism? On the defender's side, yes. But nationalism also inspires a nation to embark on campaigns of imperialism as well, for the glory of the nation! Nationalism is a very potent force, and when it becomes prevalent, things often get messy. All we need is for resurgent nationalism in Russia, China, or the US to collide, and then... well, we know. The thing is though, that unlike in WWI and WWII, this time is our last time. We would annihilate the entire northern hemisphere. The only hope for permanent peace (and therefore the avoidance or nuclear catastrophe) is through eventual federalization with post-nationalism as the guiding principle. Otherwise, our nation states will eventually become inflamed and decide that dying is worth it if it means killing the other. I've already heard people say things like that, and that scares me. I think people forget how good a thing peace is.

That's quite an alarmist point of view. Perhaps you need to define your own version of nationalism because I don't see what kind of nationalism would cause that except maybe the one we had more than 70 years ago in Germany. Anyway who would conduct that " post-nationalist federalization"? The People? A Council of sages? Goldman Sachs?

[Valaran]

Trust in cyclicality. Or rather the inevitable backlashes to Trump and his ilk.

[Marydale]

You can't :^)

[Seraven]

The problem is that the symbol of globalism isn't nice happy people singing "It's a small world after all" but multinational corporations making everyone their bitch.

There's also the false image that all cultures and people can get along with one another.

Guess we should totally ignore America's hispanic culture, asian culture, even african culture, right?

[Conserative Morality]

Ignore them.

No, really. Don't entertain their delusions. They imagine themselves on the winning side for the moment. Let them celebrate. Let them show the public a taste of what they actually want to do. And let the public recoil from the actual consequences of a less-connected less-free world.

[Frank Zipper]

The nationalists are going to end up taking us into a world war, which when it is over will lead to a resurgence of globalist thinking to prevent it happening again.

[Kash Island]

I consider myself a nationalist, but I would be a globalist if the world ran off a system similar to the U.S constitution, problem is that will never happen.

[Valaran]

The nationalists are going to end up taking us into a world war, which when it is over will lead to a resurgence of globalist thinking to prevent it happening again.

World War seems rather a high bar for discrediting nationalism. Would you say the same even if something on that level did not occur?

[Republic of the Cristo]

The nationalists are going to end up taking us into a world war, which when it is over will lead to a resurgence of globalist thinking to prevent it happening again.

Yeah because globalists are certainly leading us towards world peace -

said no one from Africa, Asia, or the Middle East ever...

[Frank Zipper]

The nationalists are going to end up taking us into a world war, which when it is over will lead to a resurgence of globalist thinking to prevent it happening again.

World War seems rather a high bar for discrediting nationalism. Would you say the same even if something on that level did not occur?

I just think it is a process. Nationalism and globalism will always cycle with one another. By knocking down globalist structures, but leading to more conflict, nationalism is helping to build more durable globalist structures. Like a predator improving the fitness of the prey species.

[Minzerland II]

The problem is that the symbol of globalism isn't nice happy people singing "It's a small world after all" but multinational corporations making everyone their bitch.

There's also the false image that all cultures and people can get along with one another.

Guess we should totally ignore America's hispanic culture, asian culture, even african culture, right?

You realise they're tearing one another apart, right? America is tearing itself apart.

Ignore them.

No, really. Don't entertain their delusions. They imagine themselves on the winning side for the moment. Let them celebrate. Let them show the public a taste of what they actually want to do. And let the public recoil from the actual consequences of a less-connected less-free world.

That is quite the prediction.

[Dai Heiwa]

Weaponize it for the benefit of the unified global ruling elite. Democratic globalism is coming to an end.

People are a hell of a lot smarter than you think they are.

AHAHAHAHAHA
Nevermind that every successful move of ""nationalist populism"", such as Brexit or Trump, has benefited the one-percent, the ruling oligarchy, the ultra-wealthy more, and far more costly to the lumpenproletariat plebeians.

Perhaps learning to respect democracy might be a good start, too.

Keep respecting democracy more, the elite needs pawns to their doing. :^)

[Valaran]

World War seems rather a high bar for discrediting nationalism. Would you say the same even if something on that level did not occur?

I just think it is a process. Nationalism and globalism will always cycle with one another. By knocking down globalist structures, but leading to more conflict, nationalism is helping to build more durable globalist structures. Like a predator improving the fitness of the prey species.

Interesting. I'm not completely convinced that globalism is getting refined each time. One may point to the improvements from pre-WWI to post-WWI to post WWII as evidence of increasing 'fitness', but I think at each stage this is partially undermined by recurring mistakes made by globalists. So, the net improvement with each cycle is only partial, and not always permanent.

[Conserative Morality]

That is quite the prediction.

Anti-globalism necessarily includes measures that restrict the freedom of individuals (in favor of the supposed welfare of nation-states) and is explicitly against a more connected world. It's not a prediction. It's a statement of the basic goals of anti-globalist movements.

[Republic of the Cristo]

That is quite the prediction.

Anti-globalism necessarily includes measures that restrict the freedom of individuals (in favor of the supposed welfare of nation-states) and is explicitly against a more connected world. It's not a prediction. It's a statement of the basic goals of anti-globalist movements.

As opposed to the economic restrictions placed on individuals in Globalist movements?

[The East Marches]

That is quite the prediction.

Anti-globalism necessarily includes measures that restrict the freedom of individuals (in favor of the supposed welfare of nation-states) and is explicitly against a more connected world. It's not a prediction. It's a statement of the basic goals of anti-globalist movements.

>The UN supports freeze speech or anywhere else other than America

Really it's disappointing globally on the freedom front. Trade goods but not retarded ideas should be the goal. Alas we aren't so lucky.

[Frank Zipper]

I just think it is a process. Nationalism and globalism will always cycle with one another. By knocking down globalist structures, but leading to more conflict, nationalism is helping to build more durable globalist structures. Like a predator improving the fitness of the prey species.

Interesting. I'm not completely convinced that globalism is getting refined each time. One may point to the improvements from pre-WWI to post-WWI to post WWII as evidence of increasing 'fitness', but I think at each stage this is partially undermined by recurring mistakes made by globalists. So, the net improvement with each cycle is only partial, and not always permanent.

I think there is a lot of noise in the system, so it not that clean cut, but it this is my take on what happens.

[Conserative Morality]

As opposed to the economic restrictions placed on individuals in Globalist movements?

Globalism is one aspect of many movements which may include more or less freedom. It is not a guarantee of an ideology's worth.

Not all globalist movements are right, but all anti-globalist movements are at least partially wrong.

>The UN supports freeze speech or anywhere else other than America

Really it's disappointing globally on the freedom front. Trade goods but not retarded ideas should be the goal. Alas we aren't so lucky.

>> the UN
>> representative of globalism

get with GlobalCorp m80

[Republic of the Cristo]

Anti-globalism necessarily includes measures that restrict the freedom of individuals (in favor of the supposed welfare of nation-states) and is explicitly against a more connected world. It's not a prediction. It's a statement of the basic goals of anti-globalist movements.

>The UN supports freeze speech or anywhere else other than America

Really it's disappointing globally on the freedom front. Trade goods but not retarded ideas should be the goal. Alas we aren't so lucky.

I agree. I am for free trade but not western regressivism. Sadly, with one often comes the other. Thus, until free trade can be separated from liberalism, I will continue in my stance

[The East Marches]

As opposed to the economic restrictions placed on individuals in Globalist movements?

Globalism is one aspect of many movements which may include more or less freedom. It is not a guarantee of an ideology's worth.

Not all globalist movements are right, but all anti-globalist movements are at least partially wrong.

>The UN supports freeze speech or anywhere else other than America

Really it's disappointing globally on the freedom front. Trade goods but not retarded ideas should be the goal. Alas we aren't so lucky.

>> the UN
>> representative of globalism

get with GlobalCorp m80

>muh internationshulnal law
>muh human rights
>RIP your rights

M8, if it were just good business, people wouldn't madfag so much. It has strings attached too.

[Republic of the Cristo]

As opposed to the economic restrictions placed on individuals in Globalist movements?

Globalism is one aspect of many movements which may include more or less freedom. It is not a guarantee of an ideology's worth.

Not all globalist movements are right, but all anti-globalist movements are at least partially wrong.

>The UN supports freeze speech or anywhere else other than America

Really it's disappointing globally on the freedom front. Trade goods but not retarded ideas should be the goal. Alas we aren't so lucky.

>> the UN
>> representative of globalism

get with GlobalCorp m80

Wrong according to what?

[Stormwrath]

The problem is that the symbol of globalism isn't nice happy people singing "It's a small world after all" but multinational corporations making everyone their bitch.

There's also the false image that all cultures and people can get along with one another.

Guess we should totally ignore America's hispanic culture, asian culture, even african culture, right?

Yeah, no. Just because you live in a melting pot doesn't mean everyone gets along. Hell, with the identity politics prevalent in the US, I'd say the melting pot has reached its limits.

[Yugoslav Memes]

Humans aren't that good enough to unify as an entire species yet; as it stands, the nation is still the most consolidated and stable interest group that has formed in human history so far and not an "accident".

[Conserative Morality]

>muh internationshulnal law
>muh human rights

I believe you've mentioned how those are worthless concepts disregarded by every major world player who can get away with it. =^)

>RIP your rights

M8, if it were just good business, people wouldn't madfag so much. It has strings attached too.

If it were just good business, people would still madfag. And besides, isn't that the nature of trade? They who have something of more worth to offer have more leverage to dictate the terms of the exchange.