Trump MAGAThread IV: Twixt Scylla & Some Bad Hombres

[Galloism]

We did the same thing in Colombia and Panama.

Trump is a hell of a lot more impulsive and reckless than Clinton. Bush or Obama. More likely than not significant troop movement would be involved.

I just want to remind everyone what kind of a bar that is to be more reckless than bush.

[Gauthier]

He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?

Congress would never approve going to war with Mexico.

Congress has the balls to stand up to him and his internet fanboys?

[Uxupox]

Mexico has never been an american regional ally.

Trump inspiring the cartels and Daesh to team up against the U.S. Absolutely brilliant.

Daesh and Cartels teaming up? I distinctly remember that the Mexican Cartels told ISIS to fuck off and threatened to behead them a couple of times.

[Lady Scylla]

Trump inspiring the cartels and Daesh to team up against the U.S. Absolutely brilliant.

We still out-gun both, and anything, that is even more incentive t secure our border.

By creating a threat, and then hiding from it. Brilliant.

[San Lumen]

Congress would never approve going to war with Mexico.

Congress has the balls to stand up to him and his internet fanboys?

You really think they would approve going to war with Mexico? If they did the entire military should defy the order.

[Vassenor]

Daesh CALLS for attacks. Trump hasn't. Nice try though.

Trump calls for his military to attack the same as ISIS. In all honesty I don't see much difference in the targets either, not that Obama did any better.

Trump also called for people to assassinate Hillary. Or are we trying to pretend that never happened?

[Big Jim P]

I don't like many of his policy ideas, and worry about what his plans for trade will do to Canada; with Canada being my own Country.

It also seems candidly strange that all the Christians and conservatives are supporting trump. He's had multiple divorces, made crude comments while married, couldn't think of a favourite part of the Bible. It's just really strange to me.

I doubt the world will end, but I'll be surprised (although perhaps pleasantly so), if Trump is a good president that is loved enough to be re-elected.

Religious folk are not a hive mind.

Most religions damn sure try to enforce a hive-like conformity on every one they can.

[Kravanica]

It still sounds surreal to say it: Donald Trump is our president.

[Gauthier]

Trump inspiring the cartels and Daesh to team up against the U.S. Absolutely brilliant.

Daesh and Cartels teaming up? I distinctly remember that the Mexican Cartels told ISIS to fuck off and threatened to behead them a couple of times.

And if Trump sends in the military into Mexico they'd probably reconsider rather convincingly.

[Uxupox]

Mexico has never been an american regional ally.

It absolutely has.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31699344

Mexico

During an official visit by President Enrique Pena Nieto in January, Mr Obama called Mexico "one of our closest allies, neighbours and friends".
Mexico was the US's third largest trading partner in 2014 and more than $20bn (£13.6bn) in remittances is directed back to Mexico each year from families working in the US.
Mexico wants the US to reform its immigration laws, which will impact on millions of Mexicans living in the US, and the US has put some pressure - critics say not enough - on Mexico to combat organised crime and violence.
The Cuba thaw has also won Mr Obama accolades from Mexico.
Personal relationship with Obama: Mr Pena Nieto and Mr Obama seem to get along well. Amid their own political troubles at home, they have used bilateral meetings to focus on the "good news" of economic exchange between the two countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... b566b7853f

So is every country that we currently trade with our ally? There is absolutely no mutual defense agreement between the United States and Mexico.

[Gauthier]

Trump calls for his military to attack the same as ISIS. In all honesty I don't see much difference in the targets either, not that Obama did any better.

Trump also called for people to assassinate Hillary. Or are we trying to pretend that never happened?

By "Second Amendment People" he meant people using their guns to vote against Hillary Clinton, duh.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Does that include detaining people without charge and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order?

Are you talking about violtors of the legal (and precedented) travel ban?

Well, do you agree detaining dual citizens, permanent residents, and other visa holders and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order to halt a travel ban that affects these people because of how hamfisted the measure was? Oh, and let's not forget the kicker: detaining these people without due process is against the 14th amendment's due process clause.

[Lady Scylla]

It still sounds surreal to say it: Donald Trump is our president.

Eh, not really.

[Camicon]

Trump also called for people to assassinate Hillary. Or are we trying to pretend that never happened?

By "Second Amendment People" he meant people using their guns to vote against Hillary Clinton, duh.

Second Amendment guarantees the right of every firearm to vote. Doesn't everyone know that?

[Big Jim P]

Trump also called for people to assassinate Hillary. Or are we trying to pretend that never happened?

By "Second Amendment People" he meant people using their guns to vote against Hillary Clinton, duh.

Still clinging to that bullshit?

[Blakk Metal]

The post I'm responding to.

You're ignoring the context. I was saying banning all Muslims was a better idea than killing tons of people in Afganistan.

[Lady Scylla]

By "Second Amendment People" he meant people using their guns to vote against Hillary Clinton, duh.

Still clinging to that bullshit?

To be fair, that statement of his was plenty ambiguous enough for it to be construed that way.

[Seangoli]

Does that include detaining people without charge and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order?

Are you talking about violtors of the legal (and precedented) travel ban?

It was not legal, hence the court challenges to barring those with the legal right of entry into the United States. Equally, I fail to find how the Jordanian kid who was detained under the ban, who was an actual US citizen, and who's heritage was not from one of the fore-named countries (And was not traveling from said countries), was "violating" the ban.

Just because the President signs an EO does not in and of itself make the order legal - particularly when it violates the rights afforded to legal residents of the United States. Barring those who have legal right of entry from enterring the United States is unprecedented, and unconstitutional.

[Galloism]

Does that include detaining people without charge and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order?

Are you talking about violtors of the legal (and precedented) travel ban?

No. I'm talking about people who were in no violation of any law and just happened to be in the air when trump signed something stupid.

In any case, are you saying that you are in agreement in Trump defying a federal court, detaining people without trial, and deliberately denying them the right to an attorney?

I'd disagree with that if they were all serial killers much less innocent travelers trying to see their families or get home.

[Seangoli]

Are you talking about violtors of the legal (and precedented) travel ban?

Well, do you agree detaining dual citizens, permanent residents, and other visa holders and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order to halt a travel ban that affects these people because of how hamfisted the measure was? Oh, and let's not forget the kicker: detaining these people without due process is against the 14th amendment's due process clause.

Oh, you see, the Courts have no place to determine the legality of issues. If the President says so, it's legal.

[Socialist Nordia]

It absolutely has.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31699344

Mexico

During an official visit by President Enrique Pena Nieto in January, Mr Obama called Mexico "one of our closest allies, neighbours and friends".
Mexico was the US's third largest trading partner in 2014 and more than $20bn (£13.6bn) in remittances is directed back to Mexico each year from families working in the US.
Mexico wants the US to reform its immigration laws, which will impact on millions of Mexicans living in the US, and the US has put some pressure - critics say not enough - on Mexico to combat organised crime and violence.
The Cuba thaw has also won Mr Obama accolades from Mexico.
Personal relationship with Obama: Mr Pena Nieto and Mr Obama seem to get along well. Amid their own political troubles at home, they have used bilateral meetings to focus on the "good news" of economic exchange between the two countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... b566b7853f

So is every country that we currently trade with our ally? There is absolutely no mutual defense agreement between the United States and Mexico.

There was until 2002, but mutual defence agreements are by no means the single determining factor of whether two nations are "allies".

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, do you agree detaining dual citizens, permanent residents, and other visa holders and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order to halt a travel ban that affects these people because of how hamfisted the measure was? Oh, and let's not forget the kicker: detaining these people without due process is against the 14th amendment's due process clause.

Oh, you see, the Courts have no place to determine the legality of issues. If the President says so, it's legal.

Apparently, the constitution doesn't matter in cases of due process either, so we can just plant evidence for gun owners to have their guns revoked *nods*

[Big Jim P]

Are you talking about violtors of the legal (and precedented) travel ban?

Well, do you agree detaining dual citizens, permanent residents, and other visa holders and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order to halt a travel ban that affects these people because of how hamfisted the measure was? Oh, and let's not forget the kicker: detaining these people without due process is against the 14th amendment's due process clause.

Detaining dual citizens or permanent residents I disagree with. Visas however can be revoked.

Battery is dying. I will re-engage tomorrow.

[Paddy O Fernature]

He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?

Congress would never approve going to war with Mexico.

Good thing nobody said anything of the sort.

Again.

By "Second Amendment People" he meant people using their guns to vote against Hillary Clinton, duh.

Still clinging to that bullshit?

You expected anything less?

[Uxupox]

So is every country that we currently trade with our ally? There is absolutely no mutual defense agreement between the United States and Mexico.

There was until 2002, but mutual defence agreements are by no means the single determining factor of whether two nations are "allies".

And ultimately words are wind with no binding clauses that obligates us to help and contribute to each other.