Is the left unfairly bashing Trump on social issues?

[Opfornia]

The 14th amendment was not created during the illegal immigration crisis we see now, so it wasn't designed with them in mind, since immigration to the United States was entirely different then than it is now.

The problem is two fold...one you have to prove that the differences in policy is sufficient to make the 14th not apply and two well let me be blunt unless the fact it exists is enough i hardly call something that's going down and not causing problems a "Crisis".

I think you know very well how much the world has changed since the slaves were freed, so I won't even entertain that comment. As for your rejection of the term "crisis", there are an unprecedented amount of illegal immigrants in the US, in 2005 the number was approximately 11 million with obvious increase in the past decade and two years. Undocumented immigrants can be enrolled in public schools, be the beneficiary of government funding through various means, all without contributing to the welfare themselves. We could argue over my usage of the word, but this matter is purely that of opinion.

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

Yes they are eloquent that's why he won he tricked people with his toxic words hidden in hollow lies and promises.

They're anything but eloquent. Trump is a used car salesman, right down to the weird hair and crappy fake tan. He's a two-bit swindler, shyster, and crook. He's not smart, he's not competent, he's just a spiv who inherited a fuckload of money. The guy's a conman, just look at any of his shady businesses over the years, and the fact he won't release his tax returns.

[Wallenburg]

Ignoring the difference that Mussolini and Hussein both were in complete control of their respective countries and Marx was just a philosopher who hung out at a bar. Because a guy rambling on about class struggle during Happy Hour is the exact same thing as a brutal dictator purging his enemies.

Marx created in ideology that has killed millions, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, all motivated by the teachings of Marx. He has as much to do with the millions dead as the people who pulled the trigger.

Hardly. All the communist dictators took Marx's ideas and mutated them to suit their own agendas and personal beliefs. Sure, Marxism is unrealistic and awful, but what came out of the Soviet Union and China and so on was as much communism as Barack Obama was a laissez-faire capitalist.

[Nansford]

It depends, are you a French citizen? Are you a resident of France?

By that exact logic, children born in the US by parents who aren't US citizens are indeed not US citizens.

Remember, you aren't recognized by the US government as a "resident" because you aren't even documented.

[Gauthier]

Ignoring the difference that Mussolini and Hussein both were in complete control of their respective countries and Marx was just a philosopher who hung out at a bar. Because a guy rambling on about class struggle during Happy Hour is the exact same thing as a brutal dictator purging his enemies.

Marx created in ideology that has killed millions, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, all motivated by the teachings of Marx. He has as much to do with the millions dead as the people who pulled the trigger.

And we have assholes who claim to be motivated by the teachings of Jesus and Buddha while doing shit. What, going to dig up Marx's remains and salt them before lighting them on fire?

[Wallenburg]

By that exact logic, children born in the US by parents who aren't US citizens are indeed not US citizens.

Remember, you aren't recoginized by the US government as a "resident" because you aren't even documented.

You are under the odd impression that US law and French law are identical.

[Cedoria]

Ignoring the difference that Mussolini and Hussein both were in complete control of their respective countries and Marx was just a philosopher who hung out at a bar. Because a guy rambling on about class struggle during Happy Hour is the exact same thing as a brutal dictator purging his enemies.

Marx created in ideology that has killed millions, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, all motivated by the teachings of Marx. He has as much to do with the millions dead as the people who pulled the trigger.

By that logic your pal Mussolini is responsible for the Holocaust. But I doubt you will draw such a long-bow equivalency in his case.

And Pol Pot actually had little to do with Marxism, didn't even call himself a Communist for most of his time in prominence... And he was overthrown by... Yes, 'Communist' Vietnam.

But all this is irrelevant as to whether Trump is a devil-worshipper. Which is a claim you have asserted, not proven.

[Opfornia]

The last one is a quote with no proof, and the last two aren't even remotely racist. How is "don't look like Indians" comparable to a racial epithet, or saying they are inferior in some way? As for the last one, you are literally projecting racist stereotypes into his words, perhaps he was just actually speaking to a room of negotiators, seeing as how they're in the REPUBLICAN Jewish Coalition. Get out of here.

You expect me to believe he wasn't subtly bringing the stereotype that Jews are money lovers and negotiators in saying that when he literally said he only wanted Jewish men to handle his money?

You literally provided a definition of racism and cherrypicking what does and doesn't exactly fall under that definition.

"racism:
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

If you want to have that racial lens over your eye, and see any reference between jews and negotiations as inherently racist, I can't help you. I'm merely pointing out to anyone that isn't a closeted racist how your unfounded accusations are just projections of your thoughts. I'm sticking to the defintion of racism very closely, trust me.

You seem to have entirely dropped the Indian quote, please inform me why that one was racist.

[Gauthier]

Marx created in ideology that has killed millions, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, all motivated by the teachings of Marx. He has as much to do with the millions dead as the people who pulled the trigger.

By that logic your pal Mussolini is responsible for the Holocaust. But I doubt you will draw such a long-bow equivalency in his case.

And Pol Pot actually had little to do with Marxism, didn't even call himself a Communist for most of his time in prominence... And he was overthrown by... Yes, 'Communist' Vietnam.

But all this is irrelevant as to whether Trump is a devil-worshipper. Which is a claim you have asserted, not proven.

The idea that Trump is a devil worshipper is complete bullshit.

Everyone knows Trump only worships himself.

[Cedoria]

You are correct here. How that proves Satan's influence is still an unresolved question...

Stalin did the same things Stalin and Trump are the same sort of filth that pollute this planet with their presence.

And I doubt Stalin was motivated by Satan either. So it's still not a relevant point.

You do realise I am now indulging your feeble non-arguments purely for my own amusement don't you?

[The Black Forrest]

Ignoring the difference that Mussolini and Hussein both were in complete control of their respective countries and Marx was just a philosopher who hung out at a bar. Because a guy rambling on about class struggle during Happy Hour is the exact same thing as a brutal dictator purging his enemies.

Marx created in ideology that has killed millions, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, all motivated by the teachings of Marx. He has as much to do with the millions dead as the people who pulled the trigger.

Sooooo?.....

We should stop the Nobel awards since Nobel had more of hand in killing way more people?

[Uiiop]

The problem is two fold...one you have to prove that the differences in policy is sufficient to make the 14th not apply and two well let me be blunt unless the fact it exists is enough i hardly call something that's going down and not causing problems a "Crisis".

I think you know very well how much the world has changed since the slaves were freed, so I won't even entertain that comment. As for your rejection of the term "crisis", there are on precedented amount of illegal immigrants in the US, in 2005 the number was approximately 11 million with obvious increase in the past decade and two years. Undocumented immigrants can be enrolled in public schools, be the beneficiary of government funding through various means, all without contributing to the welfare themselves. We could argue over my usage of the word, but this matter is purely that of opinion.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... n-the-u-s/
The data shows it peaked a decade ago and is overall in a slow decline so you're wrong there.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... pay-taxes/
They also do contribute in taxes for the record.
Second i meant if the big changes matter enough to make the 14th not and apply not that nothing's changed.

[Hexgard]

Dear God, read the fucking articles. He wants to deport the US citizens that the immigrants give birth to. It isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

Those aren't real US citizens, stop pretending as if your interpretation of the Constitution is the one and only way, you're acting as if these things aren't constantly contested.

Any child of an illegal immigrant should tho be given the chance to apply for legal immigration tho, but their parents have done something criminal. Either way, children should not pay for the sins of their fathers.

As someone who wishes to emigrate from the "country" I have been sadly born in, I, and probably many if not most immigrants, do not take lightly that illegals and refugees are being equalised with immigrants.

[Neuwland]

Marx created in ideology that has killed millions, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, all motivated by the teachings of Marx. He has as much to do with the millions dead as the people who pulled the trigger.

Hardly. All the communist dictators took Marx's ideas and mutated them to suit their own agendas and personal beliefs. Sure, Marxism is unrealistic and awful, but what came out of the Soviet Union and China and so on was as much communism as Barack Obama was a laissez-faire capitalist.

I don't care if they so much as praised Marx's beard, anyone who has an atom's worth of support for Marx is as bad as any Devil-worshiper or murderer. He was a propagator of leftist thought and an agitator of civil strife.

[Nansford]

By that exact logic, children born in the US by parents who aren't US citizens are indeed not US citizens.

Remember, you aren't recoginized by the US government as a "resident" because you aren't even documented.

You are under the odd impression that US law and French law are identical.

You're getting caught up on a metaphor.
My point is that just because you were born in the US, it shouldn't automatically make you a US citizen.

[Cedoria]

Hardly. All the communist dictators took Marx's ideas and mutated them to suit their own agendas and personal beliefs. Sure, Marxism is unrealistic and awful, but what came out of the Soviet Union and China and so on was as much communism as Barack Obama was a laissez-faire capitalist.

I don't care if they so much as praised Marx's beard, anyone who has an atom's worth of support for Marx is as bad as any Devil-worshiper or murderer. He was a propagator of leftist thought and an agitator of civil strife.

You say that as if both of those are bad things

[Italios]

You expect me to believe he wasn't subtly bringing the stereotype that Jews are money lovers and negotiators in saying that when he literally said he only wanted Jewish men to handle his money?

You literally provided a definition of racism and cherrypicking what does and doesn't exactly fall under that definition.

"racism:
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

If you want to have that racial lens over your eye, and see any reference between jews and negotiations as inherently racist, I can't help you. I'm merely pointing out to anyone that isn't a closeted racist how your unfounded accusations are just projections of your thoughts. I'm sticking to the defintion of racism very closely, trust me.

You seem to have entirely dropped the Indian quote, please inform me why that one was racist.

As it happens, I am Jewish - injecting racism into comments about Judaism isn't something I like to do. The idea that Jewish people are money grubbers is an old stereotype that is still very much present in our culture. Again, if he already implied he views Jews as lovers of money, do you seriously expect me overlook a statement that is in line with previous statements he made about Jewish people?

I bolded the segment in the definition of racism because it is very much relevant to his words about what "looks" Indian and the qualities and habits of a Jewish person. "The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race" - a literal textbook example of racism.

[Wallenburg]

You are under the odd impression that US law and French law are identical.

You're getting caught up on a metaphor.
My point is that just because you were born in the US, it shouldn't automatically make you a US citizen.

However, that is not the subject of this discussion. Whether birthright citizenship is good is irrelevant. My whole point is that birthright citizenship is guaranteed by the Constitution, and therefore Donald Trump wants to deport US citizens based on their ethnicity.

[Opfornia]

Those aren't real US citizens, stop pretending as if your interpretation of the Constitution is the one and only way, you're acting as if these things aren't constantly contested.

Any child of an illegal immigrant should tho be given the chance to apply for legal immigration tho, but their parents have done something criminal. Either way, children should not pay for the sins of their fathers.

As someone who wishes to emigrate from the "country" I have been sadly born in, I, and probably many if not most immigrants, do not take lightly that illegals and refugees are being equalised with immigrants.

It isn't as if I hate the kids, they're the hardest part about having this political opinion obviously, most of us want to think of the children.

I'm not arguing that legal immigrants can't benefit off of the 14th amendment, I wouldn't be here after all. I just don't think the 14th amendment should apply to anyone who has entered the country illegally.

[Wallenburg]

Hardly. All the communist dictators took Marx's ideas and mutated them to suit their own agendas and personal beliefs. Sure, Marxism is unrealistic and awful, but what came out of the Soviet Union and China and so on was as much communism as Barack Obama was a laissez-faire capitalist.

I don't care if they so much as praised Marx's beard, anyone who has an atom's worth of support for Marx is as bad as any Devil-worshiper or murderer. He was a propagator of leftist thought and an agitator of civil strife.

Wait, I always wanted to be a Devil-worshipping Zionist destroyer of civilization!

[Wallenburg]

Any child of an illegal immigrant should tho be given the chance to apply for legal immigration tho, but their parents have done something criminal. Either way, children should not pay for the sins of their fathers.

As someone who wishes to emigrate from the "country" I have been sadly born in, I, and probably many if not most immigrants, do not take lightly that illegals and refugees are being equalised with immigrants.

It isn't as if I hate the kids, they're the hardest part about having this political opinion obviously, most of us want to think of the children.

I'm not arguing that legal immigrants can't benefit off of the 14th amendment, I wouldn't be here after all. I just don't think the 14th amendment should apply to anyone who has entered the country illegally.

So you think states should have the right to summarily execute illegal immigrants?

[Neuwland]

Marx created in ideology that has killed millions, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, all motivated by the teachings of Marx. He has as much to do with the millions dead as the people who pulled the trigger.

By that logic your pal Mussolini is responsible for the Holocaust. But I doubt you will draw such a long-bow equivalency in his case.

And Pol Pot actually had little to do with Marxism, didn't even call himself a Communist for most of his time in prominence... And he was overthrown by... Yes, 'Communist' Vietnam.

But all this is irrelevant as to whether Trump is a devil-worshipper. Which is a claim you have asserted, not proven.

The holocaust is a hoax that is exaggerated, and Pol Pot was indeed a Communist the Vietnamese invaded because of a disagreement in forms of Communism and I believe the Chinese backed Pol Pot and the Vietnamese were having a conflict with China already, but I don't really care Communists killing Communists is nothing less than pleasurable in my book.

[Neuwland]

I don't care if they so much as praised Marx's beard, anyone who has an atom's worth of support for Marx is as bad as any Devil-worshiper or murderer. He was a propagator of leftist thought and an agitator of civil strife.

Wait, I always wanted to be a Devil-worshipping Zionist destroyer of civilization!

You support the Democrats don't you?

[Wallenburg]

Wait, I always wanted to be a Devil-worshipping Zionist destroyer of civilization!

You support the Democrats don't you?

Even better, I am one!

[Nansford]

You're getting caught up on a metaphor.
My point is that just because you were born in the US, it shouldn't automatically make you a US citizen.

However, that is not the subject of this discussion. Whether birthright citizenship is good is irrelevant. My whole point is that birthright citizenship is guaranteed by the Constitution, and therefore Donald Trump wants to deport US citizens based on their ethnicity.

None of this is the subject of the discussion on "Whether women are being too hard on poor 'ol Trump ((("
Its guaranteed by a loophole (Trump should know loopholes). And is it really about ethnicity? I mean think about all the people that could be affected. Not based soley on ethnicity.