[EDITED] Commend Brunhizzle

by **Kowassati** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:39 pm

The Security Council,

Noting Brunhizzle is in control of the state of Brunhilde and that the administrations of these two nations are the same.

Further Noting Brunhizzle's contribution to suppressing Nazism by creating CAIN, The Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism, a coalition involving 25 signatory regions, and appreciating the work that Brunhizzle has put forth to maintain CAIN operations;

Applauding Brunhizzle’s work to further foreign relations and their initiative to combat bigotry, anti-Semitism and sexism in several regional spheres. Including:

Serving in three consecutive terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs in Europeia
President of The Communist Bloc
Foreign Minister of the Kingdom of Great Britain
Founder of CAIN, a massive military treaty among more than two dozen regions to combat Nazism within NationStates
Assisted Mousebumples in organizing and managing the Women and NationStates Symposium

Impressed with Brunhizzle’s technical skills as an administrator of a Europeian discussion area, helping the region to operate a continuous area for debates and discussions;

Praising Brunhizzle for creating effective, modulated training materials for aspiring nations wishing to expand their knowledge of interregional affairs;

Thanking Brunhizzle for their unyielding work towards bringing nations together in support of a common cause and towards building a positive and inclusive environment in an often hostile and divisive political landscape;

Celebrating Brunhizzle’s unwavering dedication to social, political, and military progress on a global scale throughout the nation’s public career;

Hereby commends Brunhizzle

Co-Authored by Kaboomlandia

by **Jenny** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:44 pm

YES <3!!!!!!!!!

~yuno

by **Kaboomlandia** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:45 pm

Full support! I'd love to work with you to help craft it!

Forum links are illegal in proposals, though, so I'd take that out.

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:48 pm

I do not support this. I believe Brunhilde and the Organisation should be instead condemned for libel performed towards many regions, driving off nations. CAIN is just a tool used by large regions to justify raids and to increase recruitment. Someone explain why CAIN keeps trying to raid Feminist regions.

by **Kowassati** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:54 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Full support! I'd love to work with you to help craft it!

Forum links are illegal in proposals, though, so I'd take that out.

Ah well already submitted it. If it gets shot down, then yeah I will gladly accept the help

by **The Stalker** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:56 pm

I support this, though I do kinda wish you gave some time before submitting it. I feel this will likely be a close vote.

Edit:

Kowassati wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Full support! I'd love to work with you to help craft it!

Forum links are illegal in proposals, though, so I'd take that out.

Ah well already submitted it. If it gets shot down, then yeah I will gladly accept the help

I thought that was the case, it will be taken down unless that rule changed.

by **Tinhampton** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:11 pm

The Self-Administrative City of Tinhampton

WA Delegate for the Federation of Fictitious States
Alexander Smith - Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly
Opinion of the Federation's WA Delegate (SC #7)
This comment best experienced on 1366 x 768. Or, for that matter, least worst experienced on 1366 x 768. Yes, I know that my flag is the wrong proportions. T&C's apply. All aboard the banterbus!

Tinhampton will not approve this proposal. In addition, Delegate-Ambassador Smith (in lieu of any resolutions passed by The Other Chamber of the World Assembly, especially the one hundred and twenty-second one) has used his common sense to analyse this resolution. He has determined that Tinhampton - in their status as a World Assembly Delegate with 17 votes as of the time of writing - should vote AGAINST "Commend Brunhizzle", should it ever come to vote. These were the reasons that D-A Smith gave:

Brunhizzle is the ringleader of CAIN, which has already destroyed one fascist region and came close to doing the same to the Femdom Empire. It is clear that displacing natives with different (if extreme) political opinions is not "building a positive and inclusive environment" for the multiverse, or "progress" at all. Of course, this kind of displacement has occurred before - Operation Shield Breaker, anyone? Whilst their work in other spheres could be applauded, it is our opinion that Brunhizzle would be better off condemned for such actions.

Tinhampton will vote against this resolution, and also strongly urges other members of the Federation's Assembly of Nations to vote against it. However, this opinion is not binding, and Tinhampton cannot and will not throw you into the flames of the Rejected Realms for failing to vote the same way as them.

by **Kaboomlandia** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:05 pm

Kowassati wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Full support! I'd love to work with you to help craft it!

Forum links are illegal in proposals, though, so I'd take that out.

Ah well already submitted it. If it gets shot down, then yeah I will gladly accept the help

File a GHR to yank it before the mods remove it and give you a strike for it, because it is illegal with the link in. And I'm not totally sure if "Nazi" is a legal term.

This has a lot of potential to work, but it just needs some drafting.

by **SYG** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:44 pm

I do believe that Brunhilde has confident and virtuous goals and ideas with CAIN, and she is a nice person in general.

I mean yeah, she made CAIN and that's cool and stuff but what good has CAIN done besides the large op on NSIA? She obviously put a lot of work into the coalition, and frankly more than anyone else when it boils down to just CAIN. The first line is probably one of the better clauses here.

Applauding Brunhilde’s work as Minister of Foreign Affairs in Europeia for three terms, as the President of The Communist Bloc, as Foreign Minister of the Kingdom of Great Britain, and as assistant to Mousebumples in the management of the Women and NationStates Symposium;

This is genuinely just a filler line. If this was commendable, then being commended wouldn't have any sentimental and special value to it. People serve in government positions everywhere. Sure, it's quite a burden, but nothing commendable. I am the Vizier of WA Affairs and the Chief Scribe in Osiris, and I know how much work people put into their government positions, but really it's not commendable. Of course, unless the new trend is to commend everyone that has held multiple government positions and actually did what they were supposed to do... there are plenty more people that actually deserve a clause like this in their commendation.

Acclaiming Brunhilde's commitment to combating bigotry, anti-Semitism, and sexism;

This line could definitely be improved. If you don't plan on improving it, then take it out. It is also there to make the whole commendation look pretty, when as of right now, this line is just another filler that needs improvement to be an actual clause.

Thanking Brunhilde for their unyielding work towards bringing nations together in support of a common cause and towards building a positive and inclusive environment in an often hostile and divisive political landscape;

If this was commendable, then Benevolent Thomas, Nephmir, hell even Unibot, and many more all fall under this for "bringing nations together in support of a common cause toward building a positive and inclusive environment in an often hostile and divisive political landscape" in terms of defending (going one on one with TBR in Nephmir's case). I'll suggest a definite rewording or just taking this out as well.

Brunhilde (Brunhizzle) is a cool gal, honestly, but I'd like to see her work accomplish a lot more. I understand that we are not commending CAIN here, but all of these (omitting the second line) have to do with CAIN. I agree, I'm sure assembling a ton of regions to cooperate in a coalition is a lot of work, but it's not necessarily commendable until it has accomplished more to put it on the list of successful coalitions/alliances, and I'll be straightforward, it's not a long list.

So my advice is to wait it out and see if the goals of Brunhilde are ultimately accomplished on a social, political, and militaristic scale. Which it has not yet, in my opinion. Because all this is now is applauding her ideas and goals, albeit the actual forthcoming feasible achievements of them. If this reaches quorum, I will more than likely advice Osiris to vote against this because of the fact that the author did not give enough time for SC regulars to come around and point out the rule violation and help beef the whole commendation up in general. I also somewhat agree with Tinhampton's post, he lays out a good point when it comes to the wording of the resolution.

Sygian

by **Kowassati** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:57 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Kowassati wrote:Ah well already submitted it. If it gets shot down, then yeah I will gladly accept the help

File a GHR to yank it before the mods remove it and give you a strike for it, because it is illegal with the link in. And I'm not totally sure if "Nazi" is a legal term.

This has a lot of potential to work, but it just needs some drafting.

I spoke to the mods and it was removed. I'll be editing it tomorrow and resubmit it then. Again thanks for the help

by **Adytus** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:10 am

I fully support this proposal!

by **Brunhizzle** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:28 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:I do not support this. I believe Brunhilde and the Organisation should be instead condemned for libel performed towards many regions, driving off nations. CAIN is just a tool used by large regions to justify raids and to increase recruitment. Someone explain why CAIN keeps trying to raid Feminist regions.

CAIN does not "keep trying to raid feminist regions."

CAIN became involved in FEMDOM Empire only after they enlisted the help of Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH, thus creating clear collaboration between the two.

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:42 am

Brunhizzle wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:I do not support this. I believe Brunhilde and the Organisation should be instead condemned for libel performed towards many regions, driving off nations. CAIN is just a tool used by large regions to justify raids and to increase recruitment. Someone explain why CAIN keeps trying to raid Feminist regions.

CAIN does not "keep trying to raid feminist regions."

CAIN became involved in FEMDOM Empire only after they enlisted the help of Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH, thus creating clear collaboration between the two.

If CAIN ended their classification of KAISERREICH as Nazi, and revoked the Nazi Collaboration Libel Scheme, then I wouldn't have a problem with CAIN.

by **Kaboomlandia** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:06 pm

By the way, Kowassati and I worked together to produce the second draft that is now in the OP.

by **Bhang Bhang Duc** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:24 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:By the way, Kowassati and I worked together to produce the second draft that is now in the OP.

On the plus side it's a well written proposal, detailed and nicely put together.

On the minus side - well, I've got to agree with Sygian. I don't think there's enough here to merit a Commendation. I think the work done by Brunhilde to put together CAIN has been exemplary, but until we can see some long term positive results coming from CAIN then I think a Commendation is a little premature.

That said if this did get to quorum I would vote for it, not because of its intrinsic merits but to raise a digitus impudicus at certain very vocal critics of CAIN.

by **Ivelboria** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:37 pm

I'm not sure whether lists in proposals are not allowed. Correct me if wrong.

Also, I support this proposal.

by **Bhang Bhang Duc** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:40 pm

Ivelboria wrote:I'm not sure whether lists in proposals are not allowed. Correct me if wrong.

Also, I support this proposal.

You're wrong.

Seriously though lists are absolutely fine in an SC proposal,

by **Ivelboria** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:41 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Ivelboria wrote:I'm not sure whether lists in proposals are not allowed. Correct me if wrong.

Also, I support this proposal.

You're wrong.

Seriously though lists are absolutely fine in an SC proposal,

Wow, I've never seen lists in SC Proposals.
Thanks for the info.

by **Ivelboria** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:43 pm

Also, the title says Commend Brunhilde.

Shouldn't it be ''Commend Brunhizzle''. The link brings to Brunhizzle's page.

by **Bhang Bhang Duc** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:51 pm

Ivelboria wrote:Also, the title says Commend Brunhilde.

Shouldn't it be ''Commend Brunhizzle''. The link brings to Brunhizzle's page.

Good catch.

Yeah, make sure your subject and active clause agree on whom you are Commending, otherwise it's an R3 violation.

by **Kowassati** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:55 pm

Ok thanks

by **LollerLand** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:49 pm

Full support!

by **Klaus Devestatorie** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:14 am

There should obviously be serious concerns about proposing a commendation on behalf of someone for being a driving force behind the creation of an organization that is currently being seriously discussed for a condemnation.

by **Sygian II** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:13 am

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:There should obviously be serious concerns about proposing a commendation on behalf of someone for being a driving force behind the creation of an organization that is currently being seriously discussed for a condemnation.

This is a great point.

by **LollerLand** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:26 am

Sygian II wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:There should obviously be serious concerns about proposing a commendation on behalf of someone for being a driving force behind the creation of an organization that is currently being seriously discussed for a condemnation.

This is a great point.

Until the said organization is actually condemned this is not really a great point. Anybody can bring up a proposal for condemnation and get few approvals from small delegates with a telegram campaign but all of it doesn't mean anything until the said proposal is passed and it really has no chance of passing.

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